I did not express properly, I apologize. I'm fully aware there's boys and girls in most Nintendo games nowadays, I meant that if Nintendo is doing this since the 80s, why is this not a permanent thing in ALL of their games. It can't be that hard to create a simple female character or just use Zelda for the 3DS game
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Sorry Nintendo, we've decided that Link is officially a girl
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I did not express properly, I apologize. I'm fully aware there's boys and girls in most Nintendo games nowadays, I meant that if Nintendo is doing this since the 80s, why is this not a permanent thing in ALL of their games. It can't be that hard to create a simple female character or just use Zelda for the 3DS game
Entryhazard
Banned
Yet we're in a loop; you want the MC to represent the player, to reflect him, yet you want the same playable character to be someone the player should strive to, thus different from who the player is ATM
It's felt by simply playing the game though, with that mc.
Davidfoundation
Banned
Yes evillore doesn't play by the rules. Copyrights don't matter to him
You want women to strive to be a man, then?
Mango The Magician
Banned
Or have her be forcibly ousted from her castle so she teams up with link or really whatever. The issue of no playable female character doesn't have to fsll squarely on link's shoulders, there are a lot of options that keeps this issue from being change link or don't.
Entryhazard
Banned
Women should wish to be Impa
ElectricBlanketFire
Member
Call me Ishfemael.
Haha, amazing
qualitydisc
Member
Hey guys what's going on in this threa----
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DICKS AHOY
Banned
You can in Choose Your Own Adventure books!
That makes no sense. Just have her be Princess Zelda, no need for some special background or overly convoluted and ultimately bad plot line.
Have Link fail, get captured and put on ice, Zelda then is on her own and has to become the hero Hyrule needs. Cue 35 hours of fun gameplay, utilizing familiar gameplay mechanics and items as well as some new stuff that reflect Zelda's unique attributes. The end.
liliththepale
Banned
You can in interactive most interactive books. There just aren't that many of them.
edit: beaten by Dicks Ahoy
It's a really good point, they should wear green though.
A real consideration for Nintendo could be the social pressures of females playing their video games as they grow older. It's bad for guys but I imagine it's not that much better for girls. Which is possibly one reason why there are fewer and Nintendo do rely on hardcore to an extent. Obviously having more female characters would be a long term strategy solution but at a cost now and in the future by missing out on a safer bet.
As long as she's in a decent green link-like costume, I'm good.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Also Zelda being compared to classic literature is sort of insane. They're fantastic from a game-design perspective but even if I dig their stories, they're still just variations of the 'Hero's Journey' narrative that are simplistic even in comparison to the rest of the industry's writing.
The Witcher or Planescape: Torment it ain't.
And_Gignac
Member
Can Nathan Drake be a female too?
Mango The Magician
Banned
Why? If link's gender or look isn't important why should we bother keeping his tunic?
WhiskeyKnight
Member
This is like telling Brontë that Jane Eyre is now a man or informing Fitzgerald that Gatsby is actually a woman.
Art can not, will not, and should not cater to everyone equally.
Art can not, will not, and should not cater to everyone equally.
Alex
Member
I'd love for a mainline Zelda game that let us play as Impa. I grew up on Zelda but I have no qualms with omitting an awkward, teenage protagonist in yet another wistful coming of age story in favor of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ub83PeWYAE&feature=youtu.be&t=14
The gender is important, that's why it's fair to mix it up. His look allows that to happen more easily.
Entryhazard
Banned
Because green is Farore's colour.
Trogdor1123
Member
Negative, although the pic is awesome.
Just make a kick ass Zelda game. I don't want Link ruined with this.
Just make a kick ass Zelda game. I don't want Link ruined with this.
Starsunder
Member
Mmm nah.
Mango The Magician
Banned
Or as I said just make someone else playable and avoid changing an icon, why that dosent work ill never know.
QueenOfThorns
Member
holy shit
How would Link be "ruined"?
They wouldn't have to change the design on Wii U Link like, at all.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
... Isn't Zelda U potentially scrapping the green tunic?
It quite possibly isn't that big of a deal for the company as long as other identifiable Zelda tropes are present and marketed front and center.
I'm sure you demand this for all the products from all entertainment companies...
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Well, to you. But that's never been my interpretation, so he's still a guy.
balgajo
Member
An that's common opinion. Why the hell his clothes are more iconic than his gender/looks?
I mean, if Nintendo is tired of Zelda tropes put in the fridge for a while and create a new adventure IP.
You mean "New" Lara Croft?
AuthenticM
Member
I am okay with this !
I was under the impression it's a different person each time anyway?
But it'd be nice to keep the damage minimal the first time
I'm curious what you think is wrong with the "holy shit". Maybe we should burn all the books too?
And you're right that Link wouldn't be ruined. But if we're playing that game, ND should make Nathan and Joel females. They could do it. See pic above.
A lot of women cosplay as Drake if you browse deviantarts for some reason, despite there being a female option in Lara Croft.
Spring-Loaded
Member
It is, for the most part. In every way, Link being a girl in one of the games would be acceptable (for lore reasons, for representation reasons, for variety, etc.).
But here we are
Zomba13
Member
Lets gender bend all the character! I mean it's much better to take a character with no personality and make them a woman instead of making engaging and unique new female characters! I for one would much rather have Maria and Louise the Italian Plumbers and Linkette than brand new, interesting characters.
Real talk: Having the option for a female Link would be fine because of how much of a blank slate Link is but I feel if they were to do that they would need to gender swap the other characters, have a Prince Zelda, Queen of Hyrule/Red Lionesses, Ganondorphine(I got nothing for this). That way you can still have some sort of relationship between the Link and Zelda characters if they want like in Skyward Sword. Anyway, the moment Nintendo do have a female Link as the star of her own game we'll get a different set of people up in arms that instead of making a new IP with a new female character they've taken the easy way out and gender swapped/Ms male character'd Link.
In the world of Triforce heroes or whatever I feel the easiest way to explain why it's three identical Links with different colour hair would be a summons was put out for Link, the legendary hero and three Link lookalikes showed up claiming to be Link so the King or whatever sent them all off together. But nah, they have just random people sign up where they could have just as well been male or female.
Real talk: Having the option for a female Link would be fine because of how much of a blank slate Link is but I feel if they were to do that they would need to gender swap the other characters, have a Prince Zelda, Queen of Hyrule/Red Lionesses, Ganondorphine(I got nothing for this). That way you can still have some sort of relationship between the Link and Zelda characters if they want like in Skyward Sword. Anyway, the moment Nintendo do have a female Link as the star of her own game we'll get a different set of people up in arms that instead of making a new IP with a new female character they've taken the easy way out and gender swapped/Ms male character'd Link.
In the world of Triforce heroes or whatever I feel the easiest way to explain why it's three identical Links with different colour hair would be a summons was put out for Link, the legendary hero and three Link lookalikes showed up claiming to be Link so the King or whatever sent them all off together. But nah, they have just random people sign up where they could have just as well been male or female.
Wooooossshhhh
FF Seraphim
Member
Where the hell are my Prince Zeldas?! Or my princess Ganons?!?
Discrimination I say!
Discrimination I say!
There's probably already one being written right now.
People bang on about female Link in particular because it says more if the face of one of Nintendo's biggest franchises* is female instead of settling for a secondary playable character, and because it's a unique case where it actually takes more effort to write the narrative such that he's a boy in every single incarnation instead of switching it up at least once in a while.
*Metroid is not one of Nintendo's biggest franchises.
balgajo
Member
I was under the impression it's a different person each time anyway?
But it'd be nice to keep the damage minimal the first time
In the lore yes, but outside of it he is an iconic character. And Nintendo uses his best/modern design to represent this character. See for example Link's amiibo. Despite of heavily inspired in TP they do not treat it as TP Link, just Link. And that's the Link we still want to be male, despite of lore possibilities. Even though most of people here are not against a Zelda with a female main character we just want them to mantain Link as he is with the minimum changes possible. Also when the guy from PR says that Link is a dude he's not talking about Triforce Heroes Link but the character from Nintendo.
Mango The Magician
Banned
Yeah totally just like Paper Mario is a completely different person than Mario.I was under the impression it's a different person each time anyway?
But it'd be nice to keep the damage minimal the first time