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[SPOILERS] Persona 5 Spoiler Thread | Steal your heart; steel yourself
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KnightBuster
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You can trivialize the hell out of it by using and abusing Smokescreens. You'll be undetectable by enemies and can run around an entire room looking for the vents you need. That's how I brute-forced my way through those puzzles (well, that or just killing all the enemies on a given floor then doing the puzzle).
StarCreator
Member
Am I the only one that sort of enjoyed the mouse thing? Especially the animation you get when trying to open a door as a mouse...
The mouse designs are so cute, especially Haru's.
StarCreator
Member
The running away animation is also amazing.
I laughed at Yusuke's dumb puns too, though I thought those were a bit out of character.
Isaac Otherworld
Member
I've been going through NG+ to platinum the game. And I feel like the game pushes you towards dating Futaba way harder than the other characters. Like she's so immature and inexperienced in life that despite her having the coolest design from the female party members she's the least likely I think anyone would date because it really would be like dating Nanako. But way before you even have the option to date her, she starts talking about how being around you makes her heart race, basically straight up saying how she likes you romantically.
The other confidants in the game go through their stories like normal and it's only when the actual relationship choice comes up where they start to say "So why are you hanging around me?"
Makes shooting her down feel really shitty.
The other confidants in the game go through their stories like normal and it's only when the actual relationship choice comes up where they start to say "So why are you hanging around me?"
Makes shooting her down feel really shitty.
It's not that the game pushes you towards dating her, it's that she has a crush on you canonically.
Isaac Otherworld
Member
Canonically Futaba is always in love with you no matter what? And canonically all the other female characters in the game only like you if you want them to?
I think it's more like, the more time you spend with Futaba the more she falls for you in her Confidant. There aren't any moments in the main narrative where she crushes on you.
Isaac Otherworld
Member
Did Akechi know the process of how to steal hearts? Obviously he has Wakaba's research into the cognitive world. But I doubt Wakaba's research could have detailed the exact process. The party only ever learned about the process because of Morgana knowing about it in great detail. He only ever operated by doing mental shutdowns and psychotic breakdowns, which is a more obvious straightforward process of killing the shadow or casting frenzy on it.
I'm not sure about the game pushing you towards dating her, but I agree about ultimately not wanting to date her. She's so sheltered, innocent, and emotionally reliant on you by that point that choosing to date her felt more like grooming than getting into an actual relationship. Choosing to date her felt like it would take advantage of the massive imbalance in emotional adjustment/maturity level. It would feel wrong.
She develops a crush on the MC during her confidant story, but I think it's more of a "growing attached to the first person you spend time with after being desperately lonely" kind of crush because of her sheltered background, rather than the more normal relationship that you would have with anyone else in the cast. I didn't feel bad about turning her down (having the rejection go right over her head made me feel better it too), because I felt like I was carefully sidestepping the issue because the MC knows she's not emotionally equipped to stand on even ground in a relationship right now.
Some characters seem to develop crushes on you during their confidant stories (which you then either reciprocate or reject), but I don't think all of them do. IMO Futaba, Haru, Chihaya and maybe Ann develop feelings of you on some level, and seem disappointed to varying degrees when you reject them. The other girls strike me as more like "so why are you so nice to me?" and are willing to date if you are, but don't seem as overtly interested in you as part of their Confidant story development. No one develops feelings for you as part of the main story, though.
Some of the other character stories handled the relationship thing better than others. I really like Makoto as a character, but I didn't like how there was absolutely zero chemistry between her and the MC all the way up until the choice to date her. It felt weird to start going out with her when she hadn't shown any romantic interest in you until then, and she even seemed blindsided by your offer to start dating.
Thewonandonly
Junior Member
Wow just wow. After 95 hours and the game starting to drag after the very last heart you steal I have to say I'm amazed. This game was incredible and after only playing 10 hours of golden because I don't like hand held gaming getting the full picture was extraordinary.
Everything about this game speaked to me. I love the little characterization that all the characters get. The only thing that I regret is that I didn't max out a lot of social links really only the kid, sia, journalist, ryuji, and Ann my girl
will defiantly be going through this game because overall it is second game of this gen and second favorite game of all time Overwatch has better gameplay sorry
Anyway now I'm just kind of lost right now and need to decide what to play next. I can play new game plus but I kinda want to save that for like a year or two down the road. I'm thinking about getting dankarompa for the PS4 after getting 10 hours in on the vita. If I loved persona 5 would I love the rest of dangonromba
Everything about this game speaked to me. I love the little characterization that all the characters get. The only thing that I regret is that I didn't max out a lot of social links really only the kid, sia, journalist, ryuji, and Ann my girl
will defiantly be going through this game because overall it is second game of this gen and second favorite game of all time Overwatch has better gameplay sorry Anyway now I'm just kind of lost right now and need to decide what to play next. I can play new game plus but I kinda want to save that for like a year or two down the road. I'm thinking about getting dankarompa for the PS4 after getting 10 hours in on the vita. If I loved persona 5 would I love the rest of dangonromba
StarCreator
Member
I'm trying to stick with a Persona 4 Golden playthrough on PSTV (thus playing it on the TV instead of the Vita) and it works out fine, aside from the SOS stuff being a little harder to use... not that there are people still using it actively enough to make it worthwhile.
I'm having a really tough time readjusting to the older battle systems after getting spoiled by how smooth and quick Persona 5's UI is.
I'm having a really tough time readjusting to the older battle systems after getting spoiled by how smooth and quick Persona 5's UI is.
Iva Demilcol
Member
Got the artbook today (it's quite pretty... and big) and got to see the first designs for the main character... holy cow! Akechi Goro was going to be the main character D:
I'll add pics later...
I'll add pics later...
Isaac Otherworld
Member
I finally got around to doing Haru's confidant and she seems like she develops feelings for you as well quite early because she's really freaking bummed if you take the friendship option with her.
Most of the others are like
"Wow that was a crazy social link. Do you want to give me kissy faces?
> Yes
I see. I think I can give this a try.
> No.
Sure thing bestest friend!"
Haru is like "So what do you think the President meant when he said 'You look like you prefer that man next to you?'
> He thinks we're great pals!
Oh.... oh... oooooh.... : (
oh..."
yaystrawberrypie
Neo Member
I have to agree about Makoto, though she is literally second in command and is kinda pushed to be a romantic option when she got scared in Sojiroe's house, and yes, she stands toe to toe with Akira, but beyond that, not a lot of chemistry between the two.
The Japanese one? The English one has been delayed to September, what a bummer
1. Youre forever my hero!
2. Yup turn based system was Amazing
3. Yea, Akechi was kinda a week villian as a whole for me. Futaba was actually a more interesting vilkian than Akechi imo. Lol
Mediking
Member
Hahaha its good to see ya!
Akechi should've never been a villian. He's cooler than Yusuke for sure.
Hidden One
Member
Finally beat the game. I really enjoyed it 10/10! I liked the story better than P5 and those two plot twist had me shook though in the back of my mind I always knew Akechi was gonna heel turn but Igor....I should've known something was up with that demonic ass voice instead of the creepy old man one haha.
I only maxed out like 7 social links and half of them were main story ones. I decided to hang out with Makoto (BEST GIRL) on Christmas eve and I laughed hard af when Hifumi came to the cafe afterward and beat up the MC.
I really wish Hifumi was apart of the main team...She could've taken Anns place ugh.
I only maxed out like 7 social links and half of them were main story ones. I decided to hang out with Makoto (BEST GIRL) on Christmas eve and I laughed hard af when Hifumi came to the cafe afterward and beat up the MC.
I really wish Hifumi was apart of the main team...She could've taken Anns place ugh.
Hahaha its good to see ya!
Akechi should've never been a villian. He's cooler than Yusuke for sure.
I thought we were friends! :'(
Love Yusuke.
it was nice that one dungeon actually had a single puzzle yeah
if you have a girlfriend before you finish the casino they have a line about being happy you're back
it seems to be the only conditional dialogue line in the entire game
working on my ng+ playthrough to do all the confidants and started to get pretty disheartened about how rigid all of these social scenes are, instead of taking the time to arrange the models in a different background there is always an excuse to sneak into the location where that level of confidant scene has to happen
and the absurdly protracted scenes of bystanders passing by or the obnoxiously long scenes of people standing around "having thoughts"
i assume these are loading restrictions from the ps3 which is actually desperately trying to keep up on loading?
also every time you choose a dialogue choice it rarely changes the next joining dialogue line / they frequently write the followup line so that it works with multiple responses / ryuji will just parrot out the group-chat response you didn't pick and that's it.
Iva Demilcol
Member
Whoops... totally forgot to add the pics.
And yes, I'm talking about the Japanese one, bought it from amazon Japan.
This was one of the first designs for the main character:
Now tell me he doesn't look like Goro.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Pretty sure that's supposed to be obvious as hell. Even the characters figured it out.
Yeah. If anything, the twist is the situation you start out in is actually a trap for the bad guys.
poipoipoi9
Member
Sorry if this was asked before, but I was browsing TVTropes a while ago and I noticed this portrait of Yaldaboath
But I don't recall ever seeing him like this at any point in the game. When does Yaldaboath make this evil laugh face?
But I don't recall ever seeing him like this at any point in the game. When does Yaldaboath make this evil laugh face?
Iva Demilcol
Member
Sorry if this was asked before, but I was browsing TVTropes a while ago and I noticed this portrait of Yaldaboath
But I don't recall ever seeing him like this at any point in the game. When does Yaldaboath make this evil laugh face?
In the artbook.
=___=
Thewonandonly
Junior Member
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck
Just got a pstv to play p4 but then the damn thing doesn't have a memory card and the closest one is in south Jordan a 45 minute drive there and back
Just got a pstv to play p4
but then the damn thing doesn't have a memory card and the closest one is in south Jordan a 45 minute drive there and back QuantumSquid
Member
Guys I can't find the Yusuke stained glass thing of him with the lobster.
Can someone post it here again so I can save it?
Can someone post it here again so I can save it?
Novel Mike
Member
I think the twist with Igor was good but it would have helped to have any real foreshadowing beforehand with it. When the VA being changed was the biggest clue it shows that it wasn't as developed in game as it should have been. Hell I'd still argue that I think just Igor being the actual villain for one for one reason or another would have made a more interesting narrative then just some random god they throw in at the last minute to try and outdo Persona 3 and 4 with its spectacle.
The true 'twist' in P4 was just done so much better. Properly foreshadowing (right from the freaking beginning on the PS2 with the rumble! So genius!) goes a long way but on top of that it didn't feel the need to create some ridiculous spectacle out of everything.
I think thats ultimately the thing I hated the most about the final act of P5 was that everything is dialed up to 11 (no scratch that, 1000) at the final dungeon and it becomes less and less like the Persona game we've been playing all along. Seeing thing the villain become a giant freaking mech/god creature then having Joker use his 'true' persona only for it to also be a giant mech/god just killed any enthusiasm I had at that point. I remember laughing as it happened at how over the top it was which was just not needed at all and the entire sequence just really felt like they were trying to be One Punch man or Gurren Laggan instead of Persona.
The subtle aspects of the Persona series are what make them stand out so well. They don't need to go over the top or be something they aren't, Persona 4 got massively popular largely because of how down to earth its story and characters were and how we can all relate with what they go through in accepting a side of themselves they may not like.
The end of Persona 5 though just seems to go as over the top as it can as quickly as it can, its kinda cool to be sure but its something I'd expect to see in Asura's Wrath or Devil May Cry, not Persona. It'd be one thing if the rest of the game went that over the top but it never really does. There is certainly style and some dramatic high tension moments but nothing that comes like at the end of the game. It really just sours me on the whole final arc which is a shame because there are some really cool elements to it.
Another thing that is really lacking is a message or theme in P5. Sure Rebellion is a part of it but there are various different messages throughout the game and none of them are really done in depth or have a message to tell you. The best I can come up with is that Adults are shitty but thats not really developed all that well its just used as a plot device to setup each arc in the game.
This is a rather large contrast to P4 which had a clear set of messages largely centered around identity and healing and its woven within all parts of the game from Yu healing the broken bonds between Dojima and Nanako to helping your friends accept themselves and their own identities. 'Truth' is also a big part of the general theme and the truth within the truth, which is one reason I think the 'bad' ending works so well because if you just accept what your group as assumed you commit a terrible crime because you got the facts wrong and the real killer ends up getting away with it. Making you as the player guide the party to the correct answer is one of the single most interesting story by gameplay moments I've ever experienced.
TLDR: Persona doesn't need spectacle or to go way over the top and thats not what made it popular in the first place.
The true 'twist' in P4 was just done so much better. Properly foreshadowing (right from the freaking beginning on the PS2 with the rumble! So genius!) goes a long way but on top of that it didn't feel the need to create some ridiculous spectacle out of everything.
I think thats ultimately the thing I hated the most about the final act of P5 was that everything is dialed up to 11 (no scratch that, 1000) at the final dungeon and it becomes less and less like the Persona game we've been playing all along. Seeing thing the villain become a giant freaking mech/god creature then having Joker use his 'true' persona only for it to also be a giant mech/god just killed any enthusiasm I had at that point. I remember laughing as it happened at how over the top it was which was just not needed at all and the entire sequence just really felt like they were trying to be One Punch man or Gurren Laggan instead of Persona.
The subtle aspects of the Persona series are what make them stand out so well. They don't need to go over the top or be something they aren't, Persona 4 got massively popular largely because of how down to earth its story and characters were and how we can all relate with what they go through in accepting a side of themselves they may not like.
The end of Persona 5 though just seems to go as over the top as it can as quickly as it can, its kinda cool to be sure but its something I'd expect to see in Asura's Wrath or Devil May Cry, not Persona. It'd be one thing if the rest of the game went that over the top but it never really does. There is certainly style and some dramatic high tension moments but nothing that comes like at the end of the game. It really just sours me on the whole final arc which is a shame because there are some really cool elements to it.
Another thing that is really lacking is a message or theme in P5. Sure Rebellion is a part of it but there are various different messages throughout the game and none of them are really done in depth or have a message to tell you. The best I can come up with is that Adults are shitty but thats not really developed all that well its just used as a plot device to setup each arc in the game.
This is a rather large contrast to P4 which had a clear set of messages largely centered around identity and healing and its woven within all parts of the game from Yu healing the broken bonds between Dojima and Nanako to helping your friends accept themselves and their own identities. 'Truth' is also a big part of the general theme and the truth within the truth, which is one reason I think the 'bad' ending works so well because if you just accept what your group as assumed you commit a terrible crime because you got the facts wrong and the real killer ends up getting away with it. Making you as the player guide the party to the correct answer is one of the single most interesting story by gameplay moments I've ever experienced.
TLDR: Persona doesn't need spectacle or to go way over the top and thats not what made it popular in the first place.
Incandenza
Banned
I finished the game a couple days ago so I'll just throw out a few thoughts.
- It's a shame that more of the cast didn't get a chance to shine in the main story. Futaba, Makoto, and Ryuji always have the spotlight, while Ann, Yusuke, and Haru basically get nothing to do after their dungeons are done. Persona 4 benefited from having dungeons themed around your party members so by the end of them you felt like they had some semblance of a character arc, and then they can go back and reference that development throughout the rest of the story. Here they have to do double duty with the palace villain so their arcs end up siloed off in Confidants which can never get referenced by the main story. It's also probably why the group doesn't have the ensemble chemistry that P4's cast had.
- With that said I do think the Confidants are almost all fantastic, both for your party and the side characters, and I did feel attached to everyone by the end.
- Playing through the whole "we exposed Shido's corruption and whoops nobody cared" segment around the time of the Comey hearing was a trip.
- In terms of dungeons, I think 6 > 4 > 2 > 7 > 3 > 1 > 5. Everything about Palace 5 was lame. Shido's dungeon would have been great if they cut it down to three letters of introduction instead of five. Oh, and warn me before you throw me into a two-phase boss fight right when I'm at the end of a dungeon and have no SP left.
- The soundtrack is just unfathomably good. Yeah there should have been two or three more daily life tracks but I still think it might be my favorite OST ever.
- It's a shame that more of the cast didn't get a chance to shine in the main story. Futaba, Makoto, and Ryuji always have the spotlight, while Ann, Yusuke, and Haru basically get nothing to do after their dungeons are done. Persona 4 benefited from having dungeons themed around your party members so by the end of them you felt like they had some semblance of a character arc, and then they can go back and reference that development throughout the rest of the story. Here they have to do double duty with the palace villain so their arcs end up siloed off in Confidants which can never get referenced by the main story. It's also probably why the group doesn't have the ensemble chemistry that P4's cast had.
- With that said I do think the Confidants are almost all fantastic, both for your party and the side characters, and I did feel attached to everyone by the end.
- Playing through the whole "we exposed Shido's corruption and whoops nobody cared" segment around the time of the Comey hearing was a trip.
- In terms of dungeons, I think 6 > 4 > 2 > 7 > 3 > 1 > 5. Everything about Palace 5 was lame. Shido's dungeon would have been great if they cut it down to three letters of introduction instead of five. Oh, and warn me before you throw me into a two-phase boss fight right when I'm at the end of a dungeon and have no SP left.
- The soundtrack is just unfathomably good. Yeah there should have been two or three more daily life tracks but I still think it might be my favorite OST ever.
Considering going back in my second playthrough for the platnium and to do all the social links i missed, which were about half.
But the only really disappointment in the game for me was the lack of haru in the main story, and the lack of real bonding moments for the cast
The beach was the only fun moment they had. The fireworks festival got ruined, the trip to hawaii was flaccid and over way to quickly with no moments, and i cant even remember some of the other moments that got ruined
But the only really disappointment in the game for me was the lack of haru in the main story, and the lack of real bonding moments for the cast
The beach was the only fun moment they had. The fireworks festival got ruined, the trip to hawaii was flaccid and over way to quickly with no moments, and i cant even remember some of the other moments that got ruined
I liked the mice puzzle for a while. It was too long for its own good. If they had cut it the puzzle by 1/3 or 1/4 it would have been perfect.
It makes sense considering they're in Shido's Palace.
I don't have a problem with any of the dungeons to be honest. Okumura's was quite long too but I think a lot of the people that hated it probably had problems with the different employee card puzzles near the beginning.
Mediking
Member
Hahah we still are friends!!
Yusuke is cool but I think Akechi is cooler. Just a shame what happened to him...That's a great design but Joker's is better. Lol
But... turns out... Akechi isn't even really a traitor. That Y-baddie manipulated everything. It was all a game. He took advantage of Akechi's past.
Oh, yeah... Hawaii trip was a waste. HUGE missed opportunity. NEVER... EVER... GO ON A TRIP AND CALL IT LAME.
StarCreator
Member
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck
Just got a pstv to play p4
The PSTV's internal storage wasn't enough?
That depends on which Persona brought people into the series. Persona 3 still absolutely dwarfs Persona 5 in pure spectacle, and the sheer scale of what is happening in that game was what really pulled me in. I think all three do fine at character work while telling the stories they were meant to tell, though Persona 4 is currently still my least favorite of the three (seeing as I lost interest and couldn't even finish it the first time, which did not happen with the other two).
He does a bit.
'Goro was going to be the main character' is a straight up lie though, lol.
FantasticMrSnake
Member
Sending you to sleep?
I personally felt the opposite, and this game feels long, maybe it's because It's not on a handler.
Neither p3p or p4 golden felt long, and it took me more hours to complete those than in persona 5
Autoignition
Member
That moment when you realize he would have been the main character if only Yaldabaoth hadn't fucked his shit up. Poor babe never had a chance.
Hasphat'sAnts
Member
Is the New Igor (Real Igor) VA not the same VA from 4 and 3?
He sounded so similar so I thought he did a good job.
Was hyped as hell when he came back.
He sounded so similar so I thought he did a good job.
Was hyped as hell when he came back.
P3P felt like forever to me. I basically finished it only because I had already put so much time into it.
That said P3P and P4G do a much better job of making things seem urgent in the last days compared to 5. I wish Mementos merging with reality had happened sooner so you could really see how that affected the world.
RE: Mouse puzzle, I loved that part. It's exactly the kind of weird thing I'd want out of Persona. The Spaceport was way worse than that.
Just beat it, and the final act was plain dumb imo. Everything after Shido felt terrible. The story was finally getting some focus with Shido being the villain, but then it had pull out the Holy Grail and the Seven Deadly Sins out of nowhere. It lost me; there was no proper build up as opposed to P3/4's final act.
Also disappointed the special events were lackluster and a waste of time like the school trip and the beach scene.
Gameplay was solid though.
Also disappointed the special events were lackluster and a waste of time like the school trip and the beach scene.
Gameplay was solid though.
Iva Demilcol
Member
More spoilers: one of the first design for Goro looks a lot like Yu Narukami. There's also a girl that looks like Chie but with black hair instead.
Seriously, the early designs are really crazy: the MC was going to wear a top hat and Ryuji a clown-like mask.
Not that it's important but Persona 5 is the only video game I've ever fallen asleep playing lmao
StarCreator
Member
Has happened with all three for me. Nothing like waking up to find yourself in battle with Death lol
There was a really solid write-up about what that part of the game was going for earlier in thread if that helps:
I agree, romancing her felt really weird to me. She's so cute and felt more like a sister to me. But I decided to just go with it for the harem V-day result. I'm usually fine with the Persona waifus but she seemed extra young and I thought it was just uncomfortable to me. The fact that she falls head over heels for MC is another aspect of her innocence.