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Square-Enix gouging JP PC players of Tomb Raider : 30$ for JP language pack

EvB

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Yeah. The bigger problem, correct me if I'm wrong, is that the original western Steam version had Japanese language and subtitle options, but SE patched them out, leading to this DLC.

So yeah, if you bought the JP version on Steam, there'd be no problem. This is for Japanese people who own a western copy of the game.

Region locking incoming next gen!

Grey importing is becoming a big problem for certain countries, it's half the reason the UK's game sales are so high, because all of Europe is buying their games in the UK because they are half the price after the exchange rate.
 

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All of this shit is just a result of the ridiculous game prices in Japan. Of course, this is a particularly egregious instance.

Grey importing is becoming a big problem for certain countries, it's half the reason the UK's game sales are so high, because all of Europe is buying their games in the UK because they are half the price after the exchange rate.
Please don't call it "grey" importing, that could imply that there is anything at all wrong with it. Which there isn't. It's also not a problem for certain countries, it's a problem for certain companies.
 

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Yeah. The bigger problem, correct me if I'm wrong, is that the original western Steam version had Japanese language and subtitle options, but SE patched them out, leading to this DLC.

So yeah, if you bought the JP version on Steam, there'd be no problem. This is for Japanese people who own a western copy of the game.

I see. So I guess if they buy the Western version (which was previously unpatched and had JP language), they'd be effectively getting it cheaper than the JP version thus SE is making a loss here? I can see why they took it out and sold it as DLC but that's pretty ballsy if you sell it as DLC.
 

RyougaSaotome

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Another correction. I don't Tomb Raider is out in any real official capacity here in Japan. The Steam version is the western version, but since it had Japanese voice/subtitle options, it was extremely import friendly. I'm a bit tired so you'll have to forgive me if I'm wrong.

So Japanese people who jumped at it are essentially getting fucked by this.
 

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Just went through the post and yeah, this is true and pretty damn crazy.

This company feels so out of the loop, charging crazy prices for iOS titles and now for sound/text files that any other company that offers it, does it for free...
 

mclem

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I see. So I guess if they buy the Western version (which was previously unpatched and had JP language), they'd be effectively getting it cheaper than the JP version thus SE is making a loss here? I can see why they took it out and sold it as DLC but that's pretty ballsy if you sell it as DLC.

If it is a regional pricing thing, then I kind of get the logic, but this certainly isn't the solution. That said, I'm not sure what the correct solution *is*; it's something I've been wondering about for a while.
 
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And I remember laughing when people mentioned charging for language packs in the form of DLC as an inevitable future... I never thought this would be a thing.
 

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To think, there was a point where a group of execs looked over this and said "Purposefully gimp a game via patch then charge to restore it? Yeah we can probably get away with that"
 

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Another correction. I don't Tomb Raider is out in any real official capacity here in Japan. The Steam version is the western version, but since it had Japanese voice/subtitle options, it was extremely import friendly.

So Japanese people who jumped at it are essentially getting fucked by this.

But most of the people interested in the PC version would buy it on Steam. And a lot of publishers put a region lock on Steam games in Japan, so that it only unlock at x date here.

I'm not on a witch hunt but SE totally asked for this.
 

RyougaSaotome

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But most of the people interested in the PC version would buy it on Steam. And a lot of publishers put a region lock on Steam games in Japan, so that it only unlock at x date here.

I'm not on a witch hunt but SE totally asked for this.

Oh totally. I 100% agree with you. I was just trying to clarify which version of the game we're talking about here so people can get the full picture.

There's no way to spin this in which it's not absolutely fucking awful. They patched out options that were there are release and are now charging for them. This is gross.
 

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To think, there was a point where a group of execs looked over this and said "Purposefully gimp a game via patch then charge to restore it? Yeah we can probably get away with that"

When you say it like that... it does sound pretty unbelievable. The execs having what could be considered an evil "Find a way to screw our home country" meeting.

Imagine sitting in and listening on that meeting.
 

1-D_FTW

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But JP VO was originally in the game!

They PATCHED IT OUT. That's the scandal, here.

Wonder if Valve would offer refunds. Because it seems pretty illegal to sell a working game and then remove basic functionality (for 30 DLC) once you've made the sale.

If a Japanese gamer really wants it, I'd try and get a refund. Then "Will wait for Steam sale at 75% off" it.
 

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Language pack DLC is going to become a trend I think. I know Soul Sacrifice also has it but in this case patching out something and selling it is disgusting.
 

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This is at such a level of disgrace that I feel like it almost has to be some kind of communication error, translation error, or something.

There has to be a reasonable explanation for this.

If there isn't, they should burn. I'll be keeping my eye on this story, today.
 

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Just when I thought the Tomb Raider PR disaster was over.

This game is the gift that keeps on giving.
 

NekoFever

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This is low on so many levels.

Even taking out the subtitles? So they couldn't play it with the original VO but with Japanese subtitles without paying $30? Fucking hell.
 

Slygmous

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That can't be right.

Nobody in their right mind would think this is a good idea. I refuse to believe a company would be this dense.
 

Stuart444

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That can't be right.

Nobody in their right mind would think this is a good idea. I refuse to believe a company would be this dense.

Well... if they think there is a small enough player base that they could get away with it they might.

But it still gives me the image of a bunch of suits in a meeting talking about how to screw their home base. "I know, let's patch out their language and sell them it back at a HIGH price."

Wada's still technically in power until June, yeah?

Yes
 

rrs

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So what seems to have happened is:
Japanese bought western copies before it came out in Japan
SE yanked it out with an update, and charging $30 for it.

Quite scummy, but it leaves us with questions:
1. Why wasn't western copies locked out of registering from Japan?
2. How many people would be effected by this outside of Japan
3. What does this tell of the price of the local release in Japan, and when will the VO be free again elsewhere?
 

Jubern

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So what seems to have happened is:
Japanese bought western copies before it came out in Japan
SE yanked it out with an update, and charging $30 for it.

Quite scummy, but it leaves us with questions:
1. Why wasn't western copies locked out of registering from Japan?

The game is legally sold on Steam and readily available for anyone in Japan, with Japanese language support originally. It's not like anybody actually imported anything.
 

1-D_FTW

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Could you not work around this by turning off autoupdate?

No. You can turn off updates in Steam, but you can't actually launch a title until it's been updated to the latest version.

Unless, I guess, you'd already been operating in offline mode and disabled internet. But who does that?