PS3 hard to develop for PS4 not hard.
Sure will take longer to create the assets but hopefully they won't be switching middleware or tools this time around.
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Square Enix's new plan: Eidos focus = online games; Japan accelerating work on phones
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PS3 hard to develop for PS4 not hard.
Sure will take longer to create the assets but hopefully they won't be switching middleware or tools this time around.
Square Enix, Capcom and Konami have fallen so much that it's possible that they'll become easy acquistion targets by the end of this upcoming generation.
But don't give these goals stated on power point presentations for investors more importance than they have.
It's obvious that they have to say that they're going to capitalize on the success of the mobile and online businesses. For investors and analysts every game company which doesn't do that is run by fools. But that doesn't mean they won't make traditional games for consoles anymore. Also it wouldn't be a wise move because they would be at risk of losing the biggest talents within the company.
Basically....call me when they announce DQXI for iOS/Android instead of 3DS
But don't give these goals stated on power point presentations for investors more importance than they have.
It's obvious that they have to say that they're going to capitalize on the success of the mobile and online businesses. For investors and analysts every game company which doesn't do that is run by fools. But that doesn't mean they won't make traditional games for consoles anymore. Also it wouldn't be a wise move because they would be at risk of losing the biggest talents within the company.
Basically....call me when they announce DQXI for iOS/Android instead of 3DS
There's some hope, I guess. But we'll see about that.
Well I would prefere FF to take GTA approach but sadly that is not they way they want to do things.
FlashbladeGAF
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I remember when Square stood for high quality art
More of a Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, Fallout approach. Not as bad as Assassin's Creed.
GTA is kind of one of a kind. 2.5x the sales of any FF at their peak.
Yeah sure, MGS is also kinda special. Hmm Elder Scrolls and Fallout are not really that sequel heavy unless you're counting the DLC. But then again the narrative in those game is different from typical JRPG so it works better for the story then sequels like XIII has gotten at least in my opinion
.Anticitizen One
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Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Thief , and Legacy of Kain have a lot of nostalgic value and built in fan bases. They will all get snatched up.
funkystudent
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My concerns about the next gen Deus Ex are rising.
Hope they dont mess it up by tacking on online stuff. Sure, experiment, maybe they can do something cool with online but just dont turn it into a 4 player co op shooter.
Hope they dont mess it up by tacking on online stuff. Sure, experiment, maybe they can do something cool with online but just dont turn it into a 4 player co op shooter.
I remember when Square stood for high quality art
That's adorable.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
- Too soon to call victory on XIV, I'm enjoying the game but we know it as to pass the "decline" a lot of MMO suffers after a few months.
- Last Wada gift. I don't expect more games like Drakengard for SE, hell they are basically saying this!
- And XII HD is hanging or X/X-2 HD success which is a HD remake on 2014. And we know that XV and KH III are coming, but if console output from SE (not counting Eidos) is reduced to those 2 sagas is enough reason to cry on a corner. They just condemned a whole bunch of IP's.
- Yay, more FF and a very early KH footage is not a reason to be happy...
- That's nice, but any less would have been a joke. IMO
- Probably more thanks to Nintendo than SE.
- Like any decent engine should do over Crystal Tools, but the reality is that Luminous is not even finished when every other major publisher already have their next-gen engines finished and running on their next-gen games.
- Ok, but at the same time next-gen also raises developement costs, if they go to the high production values, like they should.
- Eidos Montreal is in a pretty sad state with Thief being in development hell and being less than stellar if we see the previews. IO Interactive hasn't made a good game in some time now and Tomb Raider was also a mess.
- Something we should have got years ago
- Probably the core mechanics still sucks, game is getting slaughtered at any event is present...
- We're getting "ecouragment" for years now and the fact is Type-0 has more chances of getting a fan translation than SE ever giving to us the game, unless you mean the bastard simplified iOS version...
That might be the case, but the XIII model needs much refinement. It devalued the brand, and it kept a talented team in this confined space for far too long. XIII-2 might not have costed nearly as much to make as XIII, but it also didn't generate nearly as much revenue - in many ways, it was a very limited product. Making FF games on the cheap is a safe bet in terms of short term returns, but the long term opportunity cost can be seen in both the impact on the brand and in the absence of another mainline title that could really generate excitement among fans.
XIII represented serious growing pains on the part of SE, but instead of bouncing back with a better grasp on console development, polished development tools, etc., and topping themselves with a bigger and better product created with a more efficient development process, they settled into churning out a series of much more modest titles. They can monetize XV with substantial DLC (maybe in the Mass Effect mold?), perhaps handheld or even smartphone games that capitalize on the pre-existing world and tell new stories, but after it's done, the A team seriously needs to be focusing on something that really feels fresh and ambitious.
MissDeviling
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Not before they release Type-0. Then they can die and leave their IPs in better hands.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Well they already released it in Japan. Over 2 years ago.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Sad to see the company's direction, as I personally (after working with mobile for a while), still see it as a terribly unstable revenue source, at least in the US.
Sequels are fine if they aren't tacked on. The issue with XIII-2 and 3 was, they clearly are. The ending of XIII, as bad as I thought it was, tied up most of the loose ends, besides Fang and Vanille. Sure, the gods involvement as small as the details of them were in XIII was left open. However that was something that could have been solved through different characters whose story hadn't already been finished, and through keeping with the world/technology that was already present. I mean the addition of time travel just didn't fit well in my opinion. Yeah, Fang and Vanille are from the past, but they technically didn't time travel in the way Sarah/Noel do, they were just preserved in Crystal.
Then there is the whole issue of even the fans of XIII not wanting any sequels...
They should have just left XIII, and moved work onto the next original FF making use of the experience they gained.
Then there is the whole issue of even the fans of XIII not wanting any sequels...
They should have just left XIII, and moved work onto the next original FF making use of the experience they gained.
Relaxed Muscle
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And is geting released again. In Japan.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Ain't that the truth.
This is something I can sometimes agree on. Big Publishers can disappear. They often just suck up all talent that can be proven to be a threat in the future and put them in some stupid corner where they can't flourish. But at the same time I don't see how we can salvage all the great IPs they posses...and yes I do realize that this would make space for some new wonderful adventures we can't think about as of now but I'm not sure I would be willing to risk it if there was an "nuke all big publishers" button.
ZombiePlatypus
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Anticitizen One
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I started having issues with Square when they made those MMO's officially numbered Final Fantasy installments. Shit annoyed me to no end.
As long as they put it on the Vita.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Sometimes I wish gaming stayed in the 90's....forever.
DavionStriker
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I feel that by focusing on mobile, they are conceding the hardcore RPG gamers for some of their IPs. Now, at the same time I am not saying we need to go back to a menu driven system. I really disliked FF13s hybrid. But, honestly, lightning returns and 15 are shaping up to look pretty good.
I dont know. I just wish SE couls get their act together.
I dont know. I just wish SE couls get their act together.
You should kiss FFXI's feet as it was SE's only sure source of revenue for many, many, many years.
I'm way beyond hoping either of those games will be good, at this point. Especially FFXV.
Would love to be surprised, but there's no hype left in me for mainline Final Fantasy.
ZombiePlatypus
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It'd actually be immensely less painful if we forgot Squaresoft existed, cause then who'd give a shit about SE's circus shit-show really. But, I guess grieving the loss of golden-era Squaresoft is the real price we pay for experiencing & loving those amazing games. The $50 was just the initial entry fee.
It's still fucked up and absolutely not OK.
It's only Enix that exists...........
Appollowexx
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The writing has been on the wall for some time. In their rush to desperately try and turn the company around Square are destroying everything they built.
We don't need F2P / Online only games crammed full of monitization, nor do we want sequels to beloved franchises emerging as shovelware mobile crap.
Just make great games and put them out on a regular basis and you should be successful Square.
This just worries me about the fate of a Deus Ex and Tomb Raider Sequel. Some online RPG and a RE6 inspired Co-op experience incoming?
Sad news...
We don't need F2P / Online only games crammed full of monitization, nor do we want sequels to beloved franchises emerging as shovelware mobile crap.
Just make great games and put them out on a regular basis and you should be successful Square.
This just worries me about the fate of a Deus Ex and Tomb Raider Sequel. Some online RPG and a RE6 inspired Co-op experience incoming?
Sad news...
Well I trust Nomura to make a good game more than I do anybody else there (excluding Eidos)
a secret-boss
Banned
gonna enjoy this on my iPhone 5
suuuuup GAF
lemme lick em tears
suuuuup GAF
lemme lick em tears
ZombiePlatypus
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Which enabled them to...rape FF with every iteration that followed (along with other IP's) and now become what they are today? Some things are apparently infinitely better off not receiving a life-line.
It's ok, that trend too (like all popular things without substantial legs) will crash and burn.
a secret-boss
Banned
aaaahhh sweet we're going back to flip phones in 2025.
oh ur talking about handhelds.
ZombiePlatypus
Member
Not the phones themselves, just the un-proportional number of core games shoe-horned and forced on cellphones while more viable hardware's ignored. (Or phones will catch up and actually figure out how to offer a proper gaming experience. My money's on worthwhile titles moving on to more worthwhile hardware instead of trying to compete with crap like Candy Crush)
Just cause it's a good MMO, doesn't mean it's acceptable to passively sneak it off as a new, offline FF.
exmachina64
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Just great.
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