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PaddyOCanager
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Luke Skywalker is one of the greatest fantasy characters ever and his story continues to stand the test of time.
At this point Rey has no story worth remembering. Arguing over whether each earned what they did in the films is stupid to me. "The Force" can be the argument for each of them doing what they can do. A plot device to tell a greater story.
The difference being Luke was given a great story and character arc while Rey was not. I have no hope that the last film will salvage her and that is a shame.
At this point Rey has no story worth remembering. Arguing over whether each earned what they did in the films is stupid to me. "The Force" can be the argument for each of them doing what they can do. A plot device to tell a greater story.
The difference being Luke was given a great story and character arc while Rey was not. I have no hope that the last film will salvage her and that is a shame.
buizel
Banned
Lets not go down the rabbit hole of star wars contradictions. Every tale contradicts everything else, they keep trying to add stuff in to fix it but it makes it make even less sense.
Star Wars: All the jedi are dead
also Star Wars: 6,000 force sensitive folk flying around on copter-sabres
could go on forever but cba
#Phonepunk#
Banned
those are story choices. world building. setting the scenario, the current age the work is in. Jedi were in power for a thousand generations, then systematically wiped out. this isn't a contradiction, it's the plot of the rise and fall of the GFFA.
Finn's lack of any consequence from his upbringing means his background is entirely hollow. outside of people using it as a joke, and the paper thin Phasma plot, it is never addressed after his intro. it is a neat way to kick off his story and that's as far as JJ wants to take it. the intro scene with the bloody helmet might as well be a trailer shot. Finn is happily killing his very own (previous) friends within minutes of arriving back home, following his "panic attack" over his "first time" killing people at age 23. suddenly, an hour or so later, he is totally cool with killing people he grew up with, in two separate fun scenes of murder alongside Poe as well as Rey. this isn't a contradiction, this is psychotic. his "history" it has no visible effect on his attitude, he is just a Disney style confident hero type like everyone.
ST's idea of space nazi is very clean and shiny and obvious; comic book humor, guys falling on their faces, etc. they are clowns. no need to show child soldiers. no need to show PTSD or the effects of brainwashing. nothing gritty. ANH had Vader torturing Leia at the start, physically lifting a guy via gripping his neck. there is a reason Kylo smashes a helmet and slashes at a wall instead. the new guys are soft nazis. these new guys are all about waiting til you are 23 to start combat. Finn is good humored and all around super normal, cracking jokes and stuff all the time. his "character" of having a deep past is just an avatar, a costume. this isn't a simple contradiction, it's an inability to properly define 1/3rd of your main cast.
look this isn't EU books or anything. this isn't the PT which was 4 or 5 movies in and had earned the right to shake things up. Finn is a main character in the ST, 1/3rd of the good guy cast. he is the first person we saw in the first footage, yet somehow, his story is negligible.
Finn's lack of any consequence from his upbringing means his background is entirely hollow. outside of people using it as a joke, and the paper thin Phasma plot, it is never addressed after his intro. it is a neat way to kick off his story and that's as far as JJ wants to take it. the intro scene with the bloody helmet might as well be a trailer shot. Finn is happily killing his very own (previous) friends within minutes of arriving back home, following his "panic attack" over his "first time" killing people at age 23. suddenly, an hour or so later, he is totally cool with killing people he grew up with, in two separate fun scenes of murder alongside Poe as well as Rey. this isn't a contradiction, this is psychotic. his "history" it has no visible effect on his attitude, he is just a Disney style confident hero type like everyone.
ST's idea of space nazi is very clean and shiny and obvious; comic book humor, guys falling on their faces, etc. they are clowns. no need to show child soldiers. no need to show PTSD or the effects of brainwashing. nothing gritty. ANH had Vader torturing Leia at the start, physically lifting a guy via gripping his neck. there is a reason Kylo smashes a helmet and slashes at a wall instead. the new guys are soft nazis. these new guys are all about waiting til you are 23 to start combat. Finn is good humored and all around super normal, cracking jokes and stuff all the time. his "character" of having a deep past is just an avatar, a costume. this isn't a simple contradiction, it's an inability to properly define 1/3rd of your main cast.
look this isn't EU books or anything. this isn't the PT which was 4 or 5 movies in and had earned the right to shake things up. Finn is a main character in the ST, 1/3rd of the good guy cast. he is the first person we saw in the first footage, yet somehow, his story is negligible.
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Dural
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I was expecting to get some background info on the three main characters and see them grow in TLJ, obviously none of that happened. I feel like a lot of the issues with the ST and the character development can be blamed on RJ and TLJ, let's just forget that movie happened and hope the next does some actual character development.
Doom85
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And Leia is cracking wise mere scenes after her torture and seeing her entire planet get nuked. Fucking millions, possibly billions lost, but ANH thinks it's more important to leave the big scene of someone feeling sad for Luke grieving over the old dude he knew for a day (because fuck his aunt and uncle, I guess).
#priorities
Kylo Ren literally executes an entire village at the start. Multiple planets are destroyed. A father is killed by his own son. Oh yeah, Disney really made to keep everything nice and family-friendly. I really didn't like how Rogue One ended with Jyn and all her team walking away without a single scratch and living happily ever after, so tame and safe, blech.
Finn didn't kill anyone in the village, he raised his gun and then lowered it without firing a shot. Also, who said the other FO members were his friends, every single FO character we see shows no sign of friendship, Kylo and Hux hate each other, Phasma betrays the FO to save her own life, Snoke verbally tears Kylo apart for failing him, etc. Oh yeah, what a big, loving family they are, I'd certainly get worked up killing any of these fine folks.
Why would Finn have PTSD already, the start of the movie is his first mission ever. He sees innocent people get executed, said, "fuck this", and split. And why would he feel guilty about attacking his FO soldiers? Again, he just saw them execute a village of defenseless people who were guilty of jack and shit, he also isn't a dumbass and knows there's no point in grieving over those who will now kill him on the spot for being a deserter, and he also witnesses the FO use Starkiller to wipe out millions, possibly billions, of lives so yeah, don't think he has much of a reason to feel bad about killing FO soldiers. He does show fear of facing the FO at their full strength which is why he plans to run away halfway through the film, only coming back because Rey was captured. And then of course people who don't fucking pay attention didn't understand why he was running at the start of TLJ even though he flat out tells Han on Starkiller that he's only on the mission for Rey, it's only at the end of TLJ does he show himself becoming a full member of the Resistance.
This is why I have so many issues with people's criticisms of TFA/TLJ because it's blatantly obvious many of them saw these movies a grand total of once and can't remember all of it. Finn flat out spelled out his motivation in TFA's final act yet so many people are like, "durr, why is he abandoning the Rebels at the start of TLJ?!" I remember another person claiming Rey had no reason to know she was Force-sensitive when she resisted Kylo's mind-reading. Yeah, just a crazy Force vision when she touched Luke's lightsaber and Maz flat out telling her, clearly Rey jumped to conclusions!
I don't remember ANH showing Luke showing much issue with shooting stormtroopers, he just does it like it's no big deal. And by your argument, well Luke wanted to go to the Imperial Academy that all his friends had gone to already so they could already be stormtroopers and thus Luke could be killing his friends for all he knows.
Man, ANH clearly would have been better if it had gone like this:
Han: Kid, we gotta go!
Luke: But, but Han, that stormtrooper might have had a family!
(Chewie roars)
Han: Chewie says, "yeah, who gives a shit, these people are planet-murderers, for fucks sake"
#priorities
Kylo Ren literally executes an entire village at the start. Multiple planets are destroyed. A father is killed by his own son. Oh yeah, Disney really made to keep everything nice and family-friendly. I really didn't like how Rogue One ended with Jyn and all her team walking away without a single scratch and living happily ever after, so tame and safe, blech.
Finn didn't kill anyone in the village, he raised his gun and then lowered it without firing a shot. Also, who said the other FO members were his friends, every single FO character we see shows no sign of friendship, Kylo and Hux hate each other, Phasma betrays the FO to save her own life, Snoke verbally tears Kylo apart for failing him, etc. Oh yeah, what a big, loving family they are, I'd certainly get worked up killing any of these fine folks.
Why would Finn have PTSD already, the start of the movie is his first mission ever. He sees innocent people get executed, said, "fuck this", and split. And why would he feel guilty about attacking his FO soldiers? Again, he just saw them execute a village of defenseless people who were guilty of jack and shit, he also isn't a dumbass and knows there's no point in grieving over those who will now kill him on the spot for being a deserter, and he also witnesses the FO use Starkiller to wipe out millions, possibly billions, of lives so yeah, don't think he has much of a reason to feel bad about killing FO soldiers. He does show fear of facing the FO at their full strength which is why he plans to run away halfway through the film, only coming back because Rey was captured. And then of course people who don't fucking pay attention didn't understand why he was running at the start of TLJ even though he flat out tells Han on Starkiller that he's only on the mission for Rey, it's only at the end of TLJ does he show himself becoming a full member of the Resistance.
This is why I have so many issues with people's criticisms of TFA/TLJ because it's blatantly obvious many of them saw these movies a grand total of once and can't remember all of it. Finn flat out spelled out his motivation in TFA's final act yet so many people are like, "durr, why is he abandoning the Rebels at the start of TLJ?!" I remember another person claiming Rey had no reason to know she was Force-sensitive when she resisted Kylo's mind-reading. Yeah, just a crazy Force vision when she touched Luke's lightsaber and Maz flat out telling her, clearly Rey jumped to conclusions!
I don't remember ANH showing Luke showing much issue with shooting stormtroopers, he just does it like it's no big deal. And by your argument, well Luke wanted to go to the Imperial Academy that all his friends had gone to already so they could already be stormtroopers and thus Luke could be killing his friends for all he knows.
Man, ANH clearly would have been better if it had gone like this:
Han: Kid, we gotta go!
Luke: But, but Han, that stormtrooper might have had a family!
(Chewie roars)
Han: Chewie says, "yeah, who gives a shit, these people are planet-murderers, for fucks sake"
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CharlesMorgan
Neo Member
it would be a neat twist if Rey defeats one of the Knights of Ren, takes the Knights helmet off and sees herself in there. But I don't really care. By now I've come to realize that the original star wars movies are horribly overrated, and that Star Trek is the good "star" series.
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Doom85
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(people die he's known his entire life)
Luke (looking nonchalant): I want to come with you to Alderaan. There's nothing for me here now. I want to learn the ways of the Force and become a Jedi like my father.
(person dies he knew for a day)
Luke (looking sad): I just can't believe he's gone.
Also, people clearly don't remember what happened in the new movies if they're forgetting dialogue exchanges and entire scenes even happened. And I'm sorry I don't put the OT on a pedestal and refuse to even consider there might be some flaws.
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Doom85
Member
Also, since apparently we're pretending the OT had perfect psychological representation:
(a close friend, Biggs, dies)
Luke: .................................................................................
Mark Hammil's internal thoughts: Wait, there's a line here, right? Something, right? This is supposed to be a good friend who just died. Nothing? Just look kinda sad? Obi-Wan gets more of an emotional response? Sigh, fine. Luke must have a fetish for elderly men or something, I dunno.
(a close friend, Biggs, dies)
Luke: .................................................................................
Mark Hammil's internal thoughts: Wait, there's a line here, right? Something, right? This is supposed to be a good friend who just died. Nothing? Just look kinda sad? Obi-Wan gets more of an emotional response? Sigh, fine. Luke must have a fetish for elderly men or something, I dunno.
Guardian's Light
Member
I'd want Starkiller to be included in this movie so bad lol
It's literally the only missing on the big screen, along with Ezra Bridger
A movie adaption of his story could be groundbreaking
It's literally the only missing on the big screen, along with Ezra Bridger
A movie adaption of his story could be groundbreaking
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Romulus
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Palpatine in death, communicates with Darth Pelagius and together they both learn how to resurrect themselves into the physical world. They plan for years how to retake the galaxy and reinstate the sith.
Rey beats Kylo, and sees that Palpatine/Pelagius are far stronger than she. Rey turns to the dark side but keeps herself true to the light. She learns Palpatine's resurrection secret, and she's able to temporally summon Luke and Anakin to kill the two super sith in a final battle. Luke and Anakin return as force ghosts.
Rey beats Kylo, and sees that Palpatine/Pelagius are far stronger than she. Rey turns to the dark side but keeps herself true to the light. She learns Palpatine's resurrection secret, and she's able to temporally summon Luke and Anakin to kill the two super sith in a final battle. Luke and Anakin return as force ghosts.
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sol_bad
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Dirk Benedict
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StarWars.com Confirms Dark Rey is a Vision - VGCultureHQ
StarWars.com Confirms Dark Rey is a Vision, Retracts - Kristin Baver of StarWars.com said that Dark Rey is a vision but later removed it from her article.
vgculturehq.com
Looks like a pathetic bait and switch. This movie is officially a skip. They can't even hold a fucking candle to the prequels.
Guardian's Light
Member
As fan theory as It could be, seeing Luke and Anakin finally fight side to side after more than 40 years...man, I'd cry for days lol
Guardian's Light
Member
StarWars.com Confirms Dark Rey is a Vision - VGCultureHQ
StarWars.com Confirms Dark Rey is a Vision, Retracts - Kristin Baver of StarWars.com said that Dark Rey is a vision but later removed it from her article.
Looks like a pathetic bait and switch. This movie is officially a skip. They can't even hold a fucking candle to the prequels.
I knew it
Disney has no balls to do something like this
Everything Disney touches nowadays basically lose its original tone and magic, it's a disaster
Btw, I'm a leaker, here's an exclusive look at Star Wars 10 lightsabers
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ruvikx
Banned
StarWars.com Confirms Dark Rey is a Vision - VGCultureHQ
StarWars.com Confirms Dark Rey is a Vision, Retracts - Kristin Baver of StarWars.com said that Dark Rey is a vision but later removed it from her article.
Looks like a pathetic bait and switch. This movie is officially a skip. They can't even hold a fucking candle to the prequels.
Placing a "vision" in a trailer is some seriously low literal clickbait level garbage. "Oh noes, Rey has turned to the dark side!" Nope, Disney says "gotcha".
Isn't that one of the reasons people hated Rian Johnson's turgid Last Jedi? i.e. all the subverted expectations whereby the filmmakers made us think the story was going somewhere (Rey's parentage was important, Snoke was important etc.) before pulling the rug out from underneath 'expectations' they created themselves & saying "f-you, I'm subverting your expectations because I'm a genius storyteller".
Throwing an image of Rey in Sith gear just to create an expectation for something which doesn't exist (a vision) shows they haven't learned their lesson. If Disney's own spoiler is true of course.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
I am so tired of all this contemporary twist bullshit.
And that's the reason why I will read every spoiler possible before going to the cinema for that movie.
(Before I went to cinema to see RotJ in 1983, I had already read the RotJ comic book, had a full sticker album with every scene depicted. And it didn't lessen my enjoyment of it in the slightest.)
And that's the reason why I will read every spoiler possible before going to the cinema for that movie.
(Before I went to cinema to see RotJ in 1983, I had already read the RotJ comic book, had a full sticker album with every scene depicted. And it didn't lessen my enjoyment of it in the slightest.)
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buizel
Banned
god i hope theres something interesting in this film, some big thing theyre holding back for an epic finale. i feel like oh reys force vision or palps mind control would be kinda underwhelming - only cause we know the emperor is coming back.
i hope theres some big suprise, if theres not - they shouldve help off the emperor reveal/hints till movie day, couldve still included DARTH REY or w/e
Rey / Ren - the connection.
i hope theres some big suprise, if theres not - they shouldve help off the emperor reveal/hints till movie day, couldve still included DARTH REY or w/e
Rey / Ren - the connection.
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VertigoOA
Banned
Making Star Wars has a pretty solid track record with spoilers for all previous Disney wars.
I just read some of the leaks....
It's so dumb it has to be true.
I miss George.
Goddamnit.
THERE ARE ONLY 6 STAR WARS MOVIES!
I just read some of the leaks....
It's so dumb it has to be true.
I miss George.
C3PO's wiped memory from the end of rots contain th consciousness of the emperor. Palpatine was already confirmed Vader's dad in the comics. Vader built 3po... as a conduit or watchful eye of the emperor on his ... children and grandchildren. It all goes back to the blockade runner. C3po being the emperor is the dumbest fucking idea of all time
Goddamnit.
THERE ARE ONLY 6 STAR WARS MOVIES!
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#Phonepunk#
Banned
Would be ironic to end the ST with a rejected early version of the ROTJ ending, considering the real ending was already rendered pointless
Guardian's Light
Member
" Fanservice is strong here, my friend! "
ruvikx
Banned
I'm not a Star Wars geek or obsessive "this product must conform with prior world building & canon" sort of fanboy. But if any of that is true (namely the C3PO stuff) it's actually disgusting. Yep, I 'm literally "wow, just wow" right now. Forget Zoe Quinn or faux #melietoo sexual assault claims on social media, Disney would be laughing in our face whilst inserting a giant Mickey Mouse shaped dildo into the collective backside of childhood memories in western world with that story. Rape is rape, and this one is gonna be painful.
On the upside at least Rey (a really terrible character) would be forever associated with the worst Star Wars movies ever - even worse than Hayden Christensen's "I find sand coarse & rough & irritating" stuff. That's quite an achievement. If the financial backlash is big enough, perhaps next time (because this is Star Wars & there will be another one), they might actually hire decent writers who outline a real plot from the first movie in the trilogy & don't just make shit up as they go along.
Just kidding, it's gonna be shit until Disney relinquishes ownership.
JimiNutz
Banned
I know Star Wars has always been fantasy in space and the Force is kind of like magic but some of the spoilers that I've read for IX are really out there and whacky.
Fantasy and magic is not usually really my thing but I'm kind of intrigued to see just how fucking whacky this gets.
I kind of get the impression that Disney want Star Wars to be like their version of Harry Potter in space.
Fantasy and magic is not usually really my thing but I'm kind of intrigued to see just how fucking whacky this gets.
I kind of get the impression that Disney want Star Wars to be like their version of Harry Potter in space.
VertigoOA
Banned
The non-spoiler comments I make will be speculative. Only handful of details have leaked.
For instance I still don't know how the emperor is in this exactly... or don't want to beli..., or Rey's origin, or what dark side Rey is or when or where.
I also believe that there's some necessary swerves about with the leaks or what people think they saw.
I do believe dark side Rey is a clone however personally.
The emperor's consciousness being a thing was introduced on a bigger platform for the first time in Battlefront 2. Which is kinda silly? Also Palpatine can also possess various hosts, including Kylo ren for a moment.
There's a scene in which both Rey and Kylo team up again to fight off someone who supposedly is a knight of ren, secretly always under palpatine's control who then turns on Kylo as they were hunting down 3po themselves.
I do believe the person they fight is clone darth Rey possessed by the emperor and what was seen on set was just a stand in for CG Rey. Show double lightsaber, cue duel of the fates music.
After darth emperor clone Rey is defeated emperor possesses Kylo ren, where they fight on the remains of the Death Star. Force ghost Luke uses han from the dead to commune with Kylo ren who then fights off the emperors grip to kill himself.
Ends on Tatooine.
There's a scene in which both Rey and Kylo team up again to fight off someone who supposedly is a knight of ren, secretly always under palpatine's control who then turns on Kylo as they were hunting down 3po themselves.
I do believe the person they fight is clone darth Rey possessed by the emperor and what was seen on set was just a stand in for CG Rey. Show double lightsaber, cue duel of the fates music.
After darth emperor clone Rey is defeated emperor possesses Kylo ren, where they fight on the remains of the Death Star. Force ghost Luke uses han from the dead to commune with Kylo ren who then fights off the emperors grip to kill himself.
Ends on Tatooine.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
Yeah I'm just tired of the double standards. They announce the EU is done, it never happened, then they immediately start ripping off EU concepts. They announce George is being kept away then they poorly use all of his ideas while creating little themselves. They tell us we are stupid for having theories and getting invested in a story then they want us to care about some bullshit trailer shot guaranteed to have no impact on a story that they are either making up as they go along or have always had planned out. Tell us "the past is over get over it nerd" for two years straight while also dropping tv shows about Boba Fett, Obi Wan, and the guy from Rogue One (a prequel about a prequel!).
They aren't fooling anyone and watching them flail around wallowing in their own failure is the best thing to come from the whole ST
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Guardian's Light
Member
At this point, if fanservice has to be, I hope they Bring back Mace Windu, who Samuel L. Jackson and George Lucas both consider alive
Nymphae
Banned
Yeah I'm looking forward to the MauLer teardown and compilations of media whores sucking corporate dick.
Paltheos
Member
I think it's a matter of people misrepresenting their complaints. When a movie doesn't work, it's easier to point out the little things that are connective tissue in a film that don't seem to serve the greater purpose (because it failed).
Take Leia for example. I don't remember the whole sequence of events in the movies, but after Alderaan is blowed up, the next time we see her I think is in her cell when Luke rescues her. Now, it might be realistic for her to be outwardly and obviously torn up, but the movie's gone to adequate lengths to show she's a tough character. Her first scenes show her standing up to the physically and authoritatively imposing Vader without bating an eye. When Alderaan is blown up, she's shown briefly vulnerable as she tries to plead with Tarkin, so she seems pretty human. Maybe when you see her next she'd mourned in private in her cell or maybe she held it all in later. It's not really relevant because the pacing of the movie, but you're given enough to accept it.
In the ST, there's so much stupid crap which ruins the believability of these characters and this world. So Finn is a stormtrooper. So what? He's so consistently a goober in all his interactions that I have a tough time believing he ever could have passed all the training.
I can never get over that stupid shit... Snoke? Was it Snoke - pulled on one of his officers when he failed. Slamming him against the ground and like... sliding him along the bridge floor? That's fucking weak, man, and doesn't demonstrate the filmmakers understand basic shit like why villains kill subordinates who fail. Intimidation and fear are goals of course but those are tools to the end of getting all the lackeys to work together for you. Crap like that just humiliates the officer who failed and promotes uncooperation among the crew. You as the villain have better things to worry about than HR shit. "You fail, you die," keeps everyone in line and keeps you as an imdomitable figure. Unless the goal was to set them as joke villains but I don't think that road's even worth serious discussion.
VertigoOA
Banned
The new characters suck. Rey is alright but they hard pivoted to Kylo being the main protagonist in Tlj and dropped the ball. She very much seemed like an afterthought in the Johnson abomination.
They still all suck tho. It felt like they were never really trusted to carry the films either... and they kinda didn't.
Rogue One was fucking great. I hated TFA and Rogue One actually felt like the kind of Star Wars movie I wanted. It didn't ignore the spirituality or philosophy of the force and brush it as space magic instead.
My love for Star Wars definitely doesn't exist anymore so I don't want to rant forever but the Disney movies even made me appreciate George even more as a writer because not for nothing... the complexity and depth of the prequel trilogy and clone wars is pretty solid. I've also learned to accept them as crappy kids b-movies — I kinda like them now :/
It's hard watching the original films now. I know I still adore them. I just have to forget about everything that happened once the Darth Mickey and the Empire got their hands on it.
They still all suck tho. It felt like they were never really trusted to carry the films either... and they kinda didn't.
Rogue One was fucking great. I hated TFA and Rogue One actually felt like the kind of Star Wars movie I wanted. It didn't ignore the spirituality or philosophy of the force and brush it as space magic instead.
My love for Star Wars definitely doesn't exist anymore so I don't want to rant forever but the Disney movies even made me appreciate George even more as a writer because not for nothing... the complexity and depth of the prequel trilogy and clone wars is pretty solid. I've also learned to accept them as crappy kids b-movies — I kinda like them now :/
It's hard watching the original films now. I know I still adore them. I just have to forget about everything that happened once the Darth Mickey and the Empire got their hands on it.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
Finn was such a cynical ploy. he was the first new character in the ST, showing up in a Stormtrooper costume. what a surprise! it raised questions: will we follow a Stormtrooper then? well, for about 3 or 4 minutes, yes. is he the new hero? well, again, kind of, but not really. like everything, Finn was a great concept with a poor execution. the tease was better than the reality. this is JJ's specialty.
then they showed him wielding a lightsaber. not just a lightsaber, Luke's one that he inherited from his father. this was big. would we have a black Jedi lead hero in the new trilogy? no. all that was smoke and mirrors. in fact, he is made into a clown, he is constantly belittled and looked at with suspicion by his "friends". he is considered a coward in both films, despite facing the main villain of the series in a lighstaber fight that ends with him HAVING HIS SPINE SLICED WITH A LIGHTSABER. yet this is not proof that he is fighting for the good guys. it doesn't matter that it happened anyways, he is up walking around the next day, wearing a giant plastic leaky diaper.
then they showed him wielding a lightsaber. not just a lightsaber, Luke's one that he inherited from his father. this was big. would we have a black Jedi lead hero in the new trilogy? no. all that was smoke and mirrors. in fact, he is made into a clown, he is constantly belittled and looked at with suspicion by his "friends". he is considered a coward in both films, despite facing the main villain of the series in a lighstaber fight that ends with him HAVING HIS SPINE SLICED WITH A LIGHTSABER. yet this is not proof that he is fighting for the good guys. it doesn't matter that it happened anyways, he is up walking around the next day, wearing a giant plastic leaky diaper.
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kunonabi
Gold Member
It's funny when the first trailer hit I was actually pretty annoyed with Finn. I was expecting a female lead but the whole thing focused on him and his being a stormtrooper didnt make any sense.
Of course by the time the movie was over he was the only character I liked as flawed as his writing was, and it was Rey I couldnt stand. It's a shame they screwed him even worse in TLJ.
Nymphae
Banned
I swear to god the entire line of thinking for creating the Finn character was "we can have a white stormtrooper take off his helmet to reveal a BLACK MAN underneath!", without much thought put into what he would do after that.
Guardian's Light
Member
Speaking about Finn, how much chances in your opinion to see him turn Jedi?
PSlayer
Member
very unlikely. He is probably gonna pair with the new female character and have a romance with her.
Nymphae
Banned
The one that wasn't even in the new trailer lol?
PSlayer
Member
yeah! They backpladdle with the FinnXRay couple, probably because the marketing boys told them nobody wants that couple, the asian girl apparently was cut out of this movie and they have to give Finn something to do and i believe it will be her.
JimiNutz
Banned
I wanted this the moment I saw him pick up thay lightsaber in the TFA trailer.
I think Boyega would do really good job selling the lightsaber combat.
Unfortunately it's a good idea though so they def won't use it lol
Guardian's Light
Member
Rose?
Guardian's Light
Member
Dunno why, but I always had a feeling he could be Force sensitive, or something like this, and be in some way good to be a future jedi
He's very skilled with the lightsaber too, thanks to the stormtrooper training, its fights in general were really impressive
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Caffeine
Member
rose is busy with her work being upper branches in the resistance and he probably starts dating naomi.
cryptoadam
Banned
What?
He gets his ass beat by Vader and loses his hand proving Yoda right that he wasn't prepared to fight Vader.
Even on Hoth he only survives because he slightly uses the force to grab his lightsaber and kill the Yeti monster. He was hanging upside down at this point.
Episode 5 he becomes a bad ass because he trained with Yoda and had started to become a master in the force. Its clear throught the movies that Luke is a bit special and is quick to pick things up. He fixes R2 and C3PO, he becomes a hero fighter pilot with the Rebels, so it makes sense that he would become a master Jedi under Yoda's tutelage.
And even still he almost sucumbs to the dark side when all seems lost in the Emperors throne room.
JimiNutz
Banned
I thought that might be where they were going with it as well and then TLJ happened and he was relegated to side bitch with minimal character development or any kind of interesting plot points.
sol_bad
Member
Yeah.
*He lifted a light saber with zero training from anyone. All Obi did was teach him how to use a light saber, not how to lift one up with his mind.
*He trained with Yoda to become a master Jedi? He jogged through the woods, swung on vines and lifted a couple of rocks for a few days. But he already knew how to lift things with his mind so Yoda didn't even teach him that.
*He can fix robots just because, I guess the script said he could or he learnt it off screen. Good ol perfect Luke, has all the skills he needs before the film starts.
*He became a hero fighter pilot. But how was he even allowed to join the rebels and pilot a billion dollar space ship? Right, because his friend vouched for him, he just had the keys to a space ship handed to him.
*And right, Han helped him during the last battle by shooting Vader, no trouble or effort for Lukey boy.
*He blew the Death Star up with no issues or trouble what so ever, yes of course, he used the force with zero training again.