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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker D23 trailer

I read the leaked plot details last night and as I expected it is a predictable ending to the new trilogy. It pretty much confirms to me that Rogue One and Solo are the only good new Star Wars movies.

In fact, I'm just going to replay KotOR and its sequel instead of watching the new movie. That's enough Star Wars for me.
 
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I read the leaked plot details last night and as I expected it is a predictable ending to the new trilogy. It pretty much confirms to me that Rogue One and Solo are the only good new Star Wars movies.

In fact, I'm just going to replay KotOR and its sequel instead of watching the new movie. That's enough Star Wars for me.
Where can I read this?
 
Where are all these Rebellion ships coming from anyway? Wasn't the entire Rebellion down to a half a room of individuals at the end of TLJ?

That's why I thought a 1 year time jump is not enough between 8 and 9.

I was thinking more like 3 to 5 years would be more fitting.

No time skip at all messed everything up.

Rose's reaction to meeting Finn one or two days after TFA:

OMG my celebrity boy crush, the legend who helped infiltate SK Base!!!

Holdo's reaction to meeting Poe 1 or 2 days after TFA:

Oh so I guess this is the man of the hour for leading the attack on SK Base and destroyed it seconds before it was gonna kill us all and saved the whole galaxy.....I guess we owe him our lives but.....he didn't follow protocol and cost us about 12 lives just a few hours ago. Fuck him!!!
 
Wow..a lot of it sounds so predictable.

Just very by the numbers. I predict this movie will get a lukewarm reception. Probably an audience score on RT around 75%...and a 7 to 7.6/10 IMDB.

The part about
Star Destroyer fleet with each Star Destroyer being a planet destroying technological terrorPOILER] sounds worse than anything I feared.

Overall just sounds very meh. Not terrible. Nothing made me go "Oh wow great idea" more just "Eh...ok I guess".

Very disappointed in the Knights of Ren. I just don't like the way they are described in the leaks. So they are described as a bunch of silly evil degenerates....ok.....I was hoping they would vary in age with a couple of them actually being older than Kylo Ren. I was hoping they wouldn't just be Kylo lackeys.
 
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I don't understand what is bad about her. I didn't like how she learned Jedi powers so fast but it didn't make her a bad character.

That's exactly why she is a bad character, downloading force training? That pissed all over 40 years of lore. She never loses, she can do anything, she is better than anyone at everything. She is the worst Mary Sue ever written.
 
That's exactly why she is a bad character, downloading force training? That pissed all over 40 years of lore. She never loses, she can do anything, she is better than anyone at everything. She is the worst Mary Sue ever written.

IDK if I'd agree with that. Luke was what, 17 in Episode IV? Exactly how many years of training did Luke have in the OT? It's one of the things I've always had an issue with in the series. Hell, in Episode I Qui-Gon says Anakin is too old to train to be a Jedi and he's like 7.
 
I don't know how may times I've seen this conversation. You cannot reason with people who don't see anything wrong with the Rey character. Just let him enjoy it.
 
I don't know how may times I've seen this conversation. You cannot reason with people who don't see anything wrong with the Rey character. Just let him enjoy it.
the minute they start with "but Luke in the OT" you really have to just ignore it and walk away. at least the PT never had people shitting on the OT to justify it.
 
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the minute they start with "but Luke in the OT" you really have to just ignore it and walk away. at least the PT never had people shitting on the OT to justify it.

What? I've never defended Rey, the person I responded to said it pissed on 40 years of lore which I disagreed with.
 
I don't understand what is bad about her. I didn't like how she learned Jedi powers so fast but it didn't make her a bad character.

She is mediocre at best, a Mary Sue at worst. For fuck sake, she was able to out maneuver Tie Fighters with the Millennium Falcon on her first flight, and somehow can fix the ship better than Han Solo.

I am surprise this didn't happen..

 
she skipped the training went straight to the dark side somehow wields a double bladed saber better than darth maul who had training his whole life.
When you're a woman. You don't need any training in the force. A woman just automatically become a Sith or Jedi because they are female. Same with Lightsaber combat. You go from never using a Lightsaber to beating the blood of a Skywalker with years of training by simply closing your eyes and opening them again.
 
I don't think Palpatine is alive again, but rather we may seem him in one or two scenes as a Force spirit, and this installment will reveal a plan he had in place that is now being carried out by the First Order. Makes sense since the entire saga has dealt with Palpatine's plans and manipulations that the conclusion of the Skywalker saga would involved him.

I'm pretty sure Kylo is still the main villain of this movie.
He gets betrayed and asks his mother for forgiveness and at the end creates a new grey Jedi order which finally balances the force called the Skywalkers on Tatooine
 
IDK if I'd agree with that. Luke was what, 17 in Episode IV? Exactly how many years of training did Luke have in the OT? It's one of the things I've always had an issue with in the series. Hell, in Episode I Qui-Gon says Anakin is too old to train to be a Jedi and he's like 7.

Rey didn't believe in Luke and the Jedi at lunch time, defeated a sith at tea time...
 
I think Rey is a great character. She is the best part of the new trilogy. I don't think they would turn any main character evil in the final part of the Skywalker saga.

I completely agree with you. But it is interesting what they showed there in the end.
 
They've had a saber that's completely useless when deployed until some extra action is taken with it? Was it in the EU or something?

No, George Lucas came up with the concept for a character in Clone Wars. I believe a minor character in Attack of the Clones also had one IIRC, but I hate the prequels so I wouldn't know.

I'm not saying it's a great design concept, but a lot of people hate on the sequels for simply adapting shit from the non-movie stuff (TV shows, novels, comics) and assuming it has something to do with Disney or Kathleen Kennedy and they're usually wrong. Again, not defending the sillier shit, just saying the rage is misplaced in many cases.
 
Rey didn't believe in Luke and the Jedi at lunch time, defeated a sith at tea time...

Look, I don't want to sit here and defend Rey as I agree how ridiculous a lot of it is with her (expert fighter, pilot, mechanic, etc). The problem is, I thought the same thing about Luke! He's a teenage farmer at the beginning of ANH and at the end destroys the most powerful weapon in the universe in a ship he's never piloted.
 
Look, I don't want to sit here and defend Rey as I agree how ridiculous a lot of it is with her (expert fighter, pilot, mechanic, etc). The problem is, I thought the same thing about Luke! He's a teenage farmer at the beginning of ANH and at the end destroys the most powerful weapon in the universe in a ship he's never piloted.
But he is the son of a guy conceived by the force. Rey is nobody, they even say that.
 
Look, I don't want to sit here and defend Rey as I agree how ridiculous a lot of it is with her (expert fighter, pilot, mechanic, etc). The problem is, I thought the same thing about Luke! He's a teenage farmer at the beginning of ANH and at the end destroys the most powerful weapon in the universe in a ship he's never piloted.

A lot of people defend that with the excuse "Well he's the son of one of the best Jedi ever." I'm one of those people. It's not a good argument, but it's good enough for a silly 70's space movie with gay robots in it.

I think this last film will finally explain Rey and give her that excuse. I really just think she's Anakin 2.0, engineered by the Emperor from the beginning. If not that, something damn close. Something has to explain why she's so damn good at literally everything, even if it's as silly as Luke's excuse.
 
Luke didn't believe in the force at first. he even turns down Obi Wan and goes back to his parents, until he finds they were killed. then later on the Falcon he doubts himself with the blast shield training. he gets shot by the robot, Obi Wan teaches him to stretch out w his feelings, he learns. then at the end of the movie he doubts himself again, he doesn't use the force until Obi Wan tells him over and over "use the Force, idiot!" people act like everything came easy to Luke. yall arent fooling anyone.

Rey is just the best at everything right away, doesn't need to be told anything, reminded of anything. doesn't stumble once. no self doubt. in TFA her angst is all about her parents, it is external. in TLJ it is "my place in all this" which just goes to show you how hollow the lead character of your trilogy is.

when in the 2nd movie, your main character is openly admitting they don't even know the reason they are there, you fucked up. imagine Luke saying "i need someone to show me my place in all this" during ESB? he didn't cos that film had no time for time wasting self pitying bullshit.
 
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I don't know how may times I've seen this conversation. You cannot reason with people who don't see anything wrong with the Rey character. Just let him enjoy it.

And you can't reason with people who don't see that Luke Skywalker has the same flaws. Basically zero training yet he still gets powers and in episode 4 he has everything handed to him on a silver platter with no effort on his behalf.
 
Look, I don't want to sit here and defend Rey as I agree how ridiculous a lot of it is with her (expert fighter, pilot, mechanic, etc). The problem is, I thought the same thing about Luke! He's a teenage farmer at the beginning of ANH and at the end destroys the most powerful weapon in the universe in a ship he's never piloted.

Pretty sure Luke had flight experience, and is said to be "best bush pilot bush pilot in the Outer Rim Territories"



Never piloted an X-wing? Well, he may had training before the assault on Death Star however short it may be unlike Rey who happens to get on the Millennium Falcon as she was running for her life, and somehow was able to pull off mad skills.

Also, Han saved Luke from Dark Vader Tie Fighter at the last moment, and I am pretty sure Luke was saved by another pilot before that too.
 
Pretty sure Luke had flight experience
outside of being a whiny teenager it's his main character trait right at the start of the first film. remember him whining to his uncle that he had to stay in his farm instead of go join the rebellion? he was talking about joining his friends in the academy. there was a cutscene of him watching the space battle from the ground w binoculars. later he bragged about shooting womprats in his T-16, and earlier we see him literally playing with a model to demonstrate to the audience "he know how to fly a spaceship". the kid was not a total novice. this was all laid out in the first 10-15 minutes of the entire series.

like, when people see the twin suns, what are they even thinking about anymore? you guys remember that scene, when Luke was told he couldn't go off and fly in a space adventure, and wished he could, staring off into the distance with longing?

anyone remember Star Wars?
 
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When you're a woman. You don't need any training in the force. A woman just automatically become a Sith or Jedi because they are female. Same with Lightsaber combat. You go from never using a Lightsaber to beating the blood of a Skywalker with years of training by simply closing your eyes and opening them again.
she torrented kylo ren via wifi.
 
I remember Star Wars, and you're greatly exaggerating.

Luke playing with a toy ship means jack shit. I had a LEGO spaceship as a kid, doesn't make me a fucking astronaut.
What does him joining the Academy prove? We have zero information on what the requirements are to join, and for all we know Luke could want to be joining the academy to learn to fly. You know, learning, something academies kinda exist for.
Luke tells Han "'I'm not such a bad pilot myself". We've given zero context to this, it's something Luke says out of nowhere and Obi-Wan stops him from elaborating. Piloting what exactly? Not all ships operate the same and also Luke's cockiness is apparent in the first movie. I have no reason to take much stock in this random claim.
His claim at being able to fly something like the Falcon loses a lot of validity when he proves how ignorant he is on how hyperspace works when Luke seems to not understand why Han isn't just immediately going to lightspeed and Han explains that just jumping into it without a set course could easily get them killed (actually, the odds of this happening in reality are very slim given the vastness of space and how all objects ultimately make up an insignificant portion of its mass, but by the movie's argument Han is supposed to be in the right here)
Finally, mere minutes before the final battle, Luke finally provides more clarification by mentioning hitting womp rats in his T-16 back home. Again, not much to go on here. The movie has not identified what a T-16 is up to this point, yes Luke has a toy of one but it's never identified by name. For all I know up this point in the movie, a T-16 is Luke's flying car that actually had a weapon somewhere, I mean that's the only sort of vehicle he had been seen operating up to this point in the film. Is it capable of leaving the planet or is it purely a land fighter? Does it handle similarly to a X-Wing? Has Luke ever flown with others and knows how to avoid accidental collision?

None of these things are elaborated on, and Luke being able to pilot anything at all is only given real merit mere minutes before he actually do so. That's terrible set-up, especially since Luke's flying skills help resolve the entire conflict of the movie.

Imagine a fantasy movie where the heroes approach the villain's castle in the final act, and this exchange occured:

Hero dude: All right, people, Count Asshole's lair stands before us! I know our odds are slim as his fighting prowess is unparalleled and his speed is beyond any mortal's, but still, we must persevere and-
Best friend: Actually, I have a magic spell that can greatly lower his speed which will improve our odds quite a bit.
Hero dude: What?! Why didn't you mention this before?!
Best friend: But I did mention it.
Comic relief: All you said was you know a bit of magic, you didn't specify anything at all or ever use any magic at all up to this point. In fact, you even showed ignorance in using magic at one time!
Actual magician: Yeah, you asked me why I was focusing before using a flame spell! If you were good at magic, how did you not know that casting fire without first focusing for a few seconds would simply cause me to burn alive myself?!
Bard: And you're making my job very difficult! So in my story, we're about to face the villain with the odds badly against us, and you pull this out of your ass?! My audience is going to call bullshit!
Best friend: But I vaguely alluded to it once with zero context or proof, isn't that enough?
Hero dude: No, and as punishment I'm going to tell you that girl you've been making googly eyes with is your sister.
Bard: Oh come on, now people will just think I'm making this story up as I go along!
Hero dude: Naw, it's cool, they'll think you had everything planned out even though you didn't.

Now is Rey being familiar with the Falcon also only clarified mere moments before flying it? Yes. However, there's a VAST difference between using a spaceship to take out a total of TWO TIE fighters, and using a spaceship to win the entire battle of your movie. The former is problematic but doesn't ultimately affect the larger conflict by any noticeable degree, and the latter, well, RESOLVES THE ENTIRE CONFLICT OF THE FILM. A New Hope should have done a better job of establishing Luke was A) a good pilot, and B) could pilot something similar to a X-wing. The movie does not do either of these things.

On another note, how the fuck did Luke manage to nail a bunch of stormtroopers and a small control panel from a great distance before they got in the Falcon to leave the Death Star? There is zero reason to believe he's ever used a blaster prior to the movie's events, how the fuck did he nail that many shots at once? And if you say, "Force sensitivity improves physical traits!", well, a bunch of complaints towards Rey's skills are now easily dismissed by that logic.
 
Rey was given to plott at neema outpost by someone at the age of 7 or something if the falcon has been sitting there i'm sure she has become familiar with it over a decade but yes its bullshit she is so proficient at flying it and 1 shotting like 12 ties in TLJ like she joined faze clan.

anyway about luke he actually says in ep4 that he shoots vermin around the moisture farm when he was younger so hes shot stuff at distance.
 
anyway about luke he actually says in ep4 that he shoots vermin around the moisture farm when he was younger so hes shot stuff at distance.

If you're referring to the T-16 and womprats bit, that would mean he was flying while doing so which is different from handling a handgun/rifle, and and also he says this well past the shooting scene.
 
What does him joining the Academy prove?

At the very least, an interest in flying spaceships, which is more than they set up for Rey.

Luke tells Han "'I'm not such a bad pilot myself". We've given zero context to this, it's something Luke says out of nowhere and Obi-Wan stops him from elaborating.

We have no reason to doubt that assertion, it is meant to be taken at face value, not suspiciously considered because he did not provide a reference.

Finally, mere minutes before the final battle, Luke finally provides more clarification by mentioning hitting womp rats in his T-16 back home. Again, not much to go on here. The movie has not identified what a T-16 is up to this point, yes Luke has a toy of one but it's never identified by name.

Same thing here, it is meant to be taken at face value - a line of exposition establishing that he is good at shooting things from flying vehicles. And it displays a little hubris - shooting this vent is going to be a bit tougher than shooting a womp rat planetside, but this kid has gusto and believes in his abilities. It works.

That's terrible set-up, especially since Luke's flying skills help resolve the entire conflict of the movie.

It's more his shooting that helps resolve the conflict, he wasn't doing a lot of insane manuevering like Rey on Jakku. He was just needed to make a single shot.

Now is Rey being familiar with the Falcon also only clarified mere moments before flying it? Yes.

I don't get how you can have such a problem with believing Luke could even fly a ship, given that they did try in several small ways to establish an interest and a history there, but then handwave this away with such ease lol. Yeah, it is bullshit, glad we agree there.

However, there's a VAST difference between using a spaceship to take out a total of TWO TIE fighters, and using a spaceship to win the entire battle of your movie.

Again, he wasn't doing crazy Rey on Jakku type maneuvers, he was flying down a straight corridor to fire two missiles. I did find it much more of a stretch to watch Rey single handedly pilot a huge ship like that with no experience, meters from the ground and through insane wreckage.

A New Hope should have done a better job of establishing Luke was A) a good pilot, and B) could pilot something similar to a X-wing. The movie does not do either of these things.

Again the piloting ability was secondary to his ability to hit the target. For my money, the script elements that point to Luke's interest in spaceships and wanting to join the Academy, as well as to his marksmanship abilities, are enough to make me not roll my eyes when I see the kid is flying an X-Wing in the climax they have been setting up. You buy it because that's what they're trying to set up the whole movie - a war in the stars, plucky rebels vs evil empire - our hero in the thick of it. I've never heard a person go "You know it's a little weird that this kid can fly an X-Wing don't you think? Shouldn't there have been some montage of him learning or something? Flashbacks to training? Like I'm supposed to believe this without seeing him fly first?"
I am able to assume certain things happen off screen - the rebellion giving Luke a primer on how an X-wing operates for example.
 
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if only they showed Luke had an interest in flying a ship similar to the X-Wing. maybe a scene where he pretends to fly a ship while the real ship he owns is in the background? then have him reference his time flying the ship in the scene right before he pilots an X-Wing?

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nah, too subtle.
 
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If you're referring to the T-16 and womprats bit, that would mean he was flying while doing so which is different from handling a handgun/rifle, and and also he says this well past the shooting scene.
he lives on a farm on a desert planet near sand people of course they have blasters, its common sense if u live on a farm on earth your shooting rifles or shotguns. aiming a t-16 hopper while flying is pretty skillfull hes not stationary like a rifle would need. also blasters in star wars have no recoil. qui gon explained it in ep1 jedi reflexes make u proficient in a lot of things.
 
he lives on a farm on a desert planet near sand people of course they have blasters, its common sense if u live on a farm on earth your shooting rifles or shotguns.

It probably varies by state, but IRL farming kids can (and do) drive tractors as young as 13 -- and probably younger, though with less legal sanction. For a universe as loosely believable as Star Wars, it seems like enough of a justification.

Even for all her unexplained talents, I've enjoyed Rey as a character. If she goes Dark Side it'd retroactively make her gifts suddenly easy to accept as an insidious accelerated intuition. But, again, that'd be too cool an idea for Disney to actually pursue.
 
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The T-16 was the toy Luke was playing with. He could pilot one of those for real, however. He owned a real T-16, and flew it often before he burned it out. As far as I remember it could fly into the upper atmosphere but no further.

In other words he was a pilot just as much as somebody flying a jet plane, or a fighter jet. But wasn't an astronaut. It totally stands to reason that he could fly but wouldn't know the ins and outs of space travel, what with Owen keeping him under lock and key.

There's no actual hard time scale for how long Luke was in training after rescuing the princess. Even just a few weeks may have been enough for a crash course for somebody of his experience.
 
the desert racing stuff, it's built into the series from the ground up. Lucas starting thinking about doing Flash Gordon during the making of American Graffiti, which was a teen drag racing movie. this is one of the classic b-movie exploitation genres of the 50s & 60s. Luke is named for Lucas, himself a kid who raced cars out in a desert, who loved these movies. IMO this is the "kids" he was aiming the OT series for, not little kids, but kids more Luke/Lucas's age, teens into boasting about fast cars who had that sense of adventure. so we see Luke talk about flying constantly, wanting to go off to flight school with his friends, we see him playing with his toy ship while his real ship is parked behind him, we see him offer to pilot Obi Wan himself rather than pay Han Solo, there are a number of times where he is eager to prove his piloting skills. we also see him handling/operating a variety of vehicles long before his final confrontation (t-16 model, landspeeder, Falcon). this is visual language, it is well setup, it is all well within what we know of his character, so that when he finally does his amazing thing an hour into the movie, and handles his 4th vehicle of the movie, it has been foreshadowed. denying this is pointless.

Rey is a scavenger who has a rebel helmet, she knows about the Resistance, she knows about Luke, the force, "all of it", she knows about Han Solo, etc. yet she does not recognize the Millennium Falcon. this makes no sense. the fact that she then flies it amazingly 30 minutes or so in is ok, whatever, the force, fine. maybe she is good w the force. but it's not just that she's good at flying, she's an ace mechanic now, too. so that raises more questions. does the force tell her how to bypass the compressor? the force now has spaceship instruction manuals? what makes sense from a storytelling perspective, how they have set up Rey so far into the film, is if she knew about it from scavenging. perhaps she scavenged a Corellian freighter before and knew about this. but in that event, wouldn't she know it's the same ship her heroes and legends she knew all about flew? again it doesn't make sense she would know all this and not know the ship. one way out of this mess is, maybe she knew what it was, but she was trying to be cheeky, cos she knew the other movies so well that Luke called it "a piece of junk". but in that case, why would she dismiss the fastest ship in the galaxy?

you see why her victories often feel unearned? her past is so vague and undefined and the writing is so sloppy that simple, basic questions like "Why doesn't she know the Millenium Falcon?" can't even be properly answered without the whole thing falling to pieces. they are really lucky they got such good actors to sell this stuff.
 
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The idea that 30 years was enough time for the galaxy to forget Luke and the Jedi were real is pretty insulting to the audience's intelligence.
the weird part is kylo is 29 in tfa and he left luke's jedi temple at 23 so the galaxy forgot in 6 years lmao. everyone apparently remembers han solo was part of the resistance though.
 
I remember Luke getting his ass kicked a lot... and Han, Obi Wan, R2, Darth Vader, etc.... having to save him.... a lot
 
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the weird part is kylo is 29 in tfa and he left luke's jedi temple at 23 so the galaxy forgot in 6 years lmao. everyone apparently remembers han solo was part of the resistance though.
well Finn is 23 years old and we apparently witness his first combat mission. this is despite being kidnapped as a child and "trained for most his life to be an effective, loyal, and merciless soldier. " how you run an intergalactic space nazi empire where you kidnap children and force them to be soldiers, but wait until they are 23 to start sending them out to fight, is a pretty good question.
 
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