BananaBomb
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StarCraft II Story Discussion Thread (spoilers)
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Can you infest dead people?
tychus showed another side of raynors characterBananaBomb said:
the raynor we knew through starcraft 1 was a righteous man. the raynor that we knew through tychus is a criminal.
the most interesting question isAtomic said:
if kerrigan will be in custody under the dominion or if she will be free to go with raynor
Valerians deal was to help raynor recue kerrigan so letting her go would be a part of the deal. but then again kerrigan is an enemy to all the terrans and the dominion will probably want her for their moral boost (morals are pretty low because of the whole mengsk afair)
hardly the zerg are most likely not the main villains in starcraft 2WYWY said:
in wings of liberty they were but they will probably team up with the protoss to stand against the xel naga
Just completed it - burning question but I'm probably wrong: Why did Raynor seamingly ignore the protoss warning of taking Kerrigan out (well, she is sort of out now.. or so we think) leading to the end of the universe? Didn't that whole side-campaign allude to the point that Kerrigan, leader of the Zerg, will save us all?
Or maybe I'm mistaken?
Or maybe I'm mistaken?
Son of Godzilla
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Raynor made a plot assumption that Kerrigan saving us all involved him repeatedly killing her and using unknowable voodoo magic to remove her powers.Theoris said:
What's even worse is how he explains nothing about this to Tychus but blathers on and on to Matt.
I think the plot suffered a bit in my playthrough because I had to do all side missions always before the main missions, so I had broadcast Mengsk's betrayal on Tarsonis and then spoken to the son (who didn't mention anything about it at all) and stuff like that.
I played the protoss missions early, so it made it a bit odd that Jimmy wasn't mentioning it much to others when talking about returning to Char. It would have made more sense from a story standpoint if I'd done the Zeratul missions last, but really from the beginning Jimmy did not seem like he was going to kill Kerrigan once he had an option to turn her back human with the relic. And you could simply take his not mentioning it as simple expediency, obviously Valarian and the Dominion guys, not to mention most of his crew, would have had nothing to do with sparing Sarah if he said that was his plan from the start.
And DAMN did I think the hybrid that killed the universe in Zeratuls vision of the future was Raynor. :lol I kept waiting for him to pull an Arthas and get snatched or do something to become infested and for Kerrigan to regain her humanity. Not unhappy to be wrong at all, and hell that could still be coming.
I played the protoss missions early, so it made it a bit odd that Jimmy wasn't mentioning it much to others when talking about returning to Char. It would have made more sense from a story standpoint if I'd done the Zeratul missions last, but really from the beginning Jimmy did not seem like he was going to kill Kerrigan once he had an option to turn her back human with the relic. And you could simply take his not mentioning it as simple expediency, obviously Valarian and the Dominion guys, not to mention most of his crew, would have had nothing to do with sparing Sarah if he said that was his plan from the start.
And DAMN did I think the hybrid that killed the universe in Zeratuls vision of the future was Raynor. :lol I kept waiting for him to pull an Arthas and get snatched or do something to become infested and for Kerrigan to regain her humanity. Not unhappy to be wrong at all, and hell that could still be coming.
I was hoping to be the first to tell you guys about Dr. Narud but someone beat me to it.
Anyway I thought the story was alright. I wish there were a couple of more missions to learn more about some of these new characters and their interactions with each other. I think around 40-45 missions would have done the job in telling the story better. but then again I don't know if blizzard can make each mission more unique...some would have to be "filler."
Anyway I thought the story was alright. I wish there were a couple of more missions to learn more about some of these new characters and their interactions with each other. I think around 40-45 missions would have done the job in telling the story better. but then again I don't know if blizzard can make each mission more unique...some would have to be "filler."
The whole plot fell flat in the end. You had all these characters (Kerrigan, Raynor, Zeratul, Valerian, Arcturus, Tychus, Horner, etc.), but some of them didn't seem to have a purpose. For 25 missions, it's basically "dethrone Arcturus" and "kill/save Kerrigan". The former isn't resolved at all (we will have to wait 4 years for that) and the latter is just briefly touched upon with a single "Jim.." from Kerrigan. I had hoped there would be new motivations or purposes throughout the campaign, like in SC1, but unfortunately, this game reminds me a lot of Mass Effect 2, where you basically encounter your primary enemy in the beginning and for the next 20-30 hours do stuff until you finally kill this primary enemy.
Tassadar reappearing felt wrong, like the usual fan service.
The introduction of Valerian or whatever his name was, was too forced and sudden. No doubt he will have a bigger role in the coming games.
And the whole Tychus thing was so useless. The intro to the game reveals he is a double
agent and throughout the entire game all of the characters alluded to Tychus betraying you at some point. Was it supposed to be a twist of some sort? And if not, the plot point is basically resolved in 10 seconds.
The hybrid wasn't very impressive. They should have allocated some of that pre-rendered CGI for the introduction of the creature, to invoke more awe and despair.
But the above are only my gripes with the plot. I am impressed by the presentation and some of the characters. It was great to revisit those now twelve-years old characters from the first one in glorious graphics. I can't wait to put the entire trilogy into perspective when we have experienced and played through all three.
Tassadar reappearing felt wrong, like the usual fan service.
The introduction of Valerian or whatever his name was, was too forced and sudden. No doubt he will have a bigger role in the coming games.
And the whole Tychus thing was so useless. The intro to the game reveals he is a double
agent and throughout the entire game all of the characters alluded to Tychus betraying you at some point. Was it supposed to be a twist of some sort? And if not, the plot point is basically resolved in 10 seconds.
The hybrid wasn't very impressive. They should have allocated some of that pre-rendered CGI for the introduction of the creature, to invoke more awe and despair.
But the above are only my gripes with the plot. I am impressed by the presentation and some of the characters. It was great to revisit those now twelve-years old characters from the first one in glorious graphics. I can't wait to put the entire trilogy into perspective when we have experienced and played through all three.
the twist was that tychus didnt want to kill raynor but kerrigan.Lime said:
which means that arturus mengsk knew about no directed the xel naga artifact endevour all along and was playing dumb in the hologramm scene. he was the one who planned to assassinate kerrigan through raynor and tychus with the xelnaga artifact and Duran (Dr. Narud) helped him with this.
the last scene with tychus getting direct orders from mengsk pretty much confirms that valerian was a pawn for mengsk and durans schemesTacitus_ said:
looks like kerrigan in her human form appears in the last mission if certain conditions are met
the screen is in korean and it says
Kerrigan : I will get my revenge.
Sarah : Dont give up.
the screen is in korean and it says
Kerrigan : I will get my revenge.
Sarah : Dont give up.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Watched the entire SP campaign online.. i dont know what to think really. Good and bad.. kind of predictable.. was hoping for more but it was in line with what Blizzards put out recently so i shouldnt have been surprised.
As far as the future games are concerned.. Wings of Liberty really doesnt feel like its own contained product. Its basically the first act and as a SP campaign is totally lacking. For example, in SC1 the three different campaigns told a story that culminated in the destruction of the Overmind. It felt complete. Maybe it was just me, but the final little bit at the end of SC1 where a text message just appears mentioning that Kerrigan is still out there i felt was brilliant. It really caught me off-guard at the time because i was so caught up in the Overmind story i had practically forgot about her. That one sentence after the game ended made more of an impact on me than anything in WoL.
As far as the future games are concerned.. Wings of Liberty really doesnt feel like its own contained product. Its basically the first act and as a SP campaign is totally lacking. For example, in SC1 the three different campaigns told a story that culminated in the destruction of the Overmind. It felt complete. Maybe it was just me, but the final little bit at the end of SC1 where a text message just appears mentioning that Kerrigan is still out there i felt was brilliant. It really caught me off-guard at the time because i was so caught up in the Overmind story i had practically forgot about her. That one sentence after the game ended made more of an impact on me than anything in WoL.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
If the game had a dynamic story based on player decisions then i would agree. Just like the first game, the gameplay is pretty insulated from the story and its presentation. i dont feel my opinions on the story is unjust.Lime said:
edit: my opinions are just on the story. My opinions on gameplay elements would have no basis since im not playing and can only observe.
Son of Godzilla said:
In that case colour me quite disappointed.I had great fun playing but I love a good sci-fi story.. and this fell short. They could have at least acknowledged the fact that it was risky to gamble on whether Kerrigan was needed in her current form or not... or even mentioned the Protoss crystal visions at all? We are supposed to *be* Jim Raynor right? Atleast make it consensual in the decisions the character makes with the player, or atleast somewhat agreeable/understandable.
Anyway I'm probably taking this all far too seriously, time to kick in the multiplayer mode love-in!
Son of Godzilla
Banned
It's just really random. Her ghost portrait just pops up after her zergie one curses you. And then the match ends. I guess you have to trigger something to make it happen? No idea what.Atomic said:
What's even more even more stupid is how he's all "Well maybe we will kill her, I'm not sure" to Tychus when HE JUST FOUND OUT THAT SHE'S NEEDED TO SAVE THE ENTIRE FRIGGIN UNIVERSE.Theoris said:In that case colour me quite disappointed.I had great fun playing but I love a good sci-fi story.. and this fell short. They could have at least acknowledged the fact that it was risky to gamble on whether Kerrigan was needed in her current form or not... or even mentioned the Protoss crystal visions at all? We are supposed to *be* Jim Raynor right? Atleast make it consensual in the decisions the character makes with the player, or atleast somewhat agreeable/understandable.
Anyway I'm probably taking this all far too seriously, time to kick in the multiplayer mode love-in!
I'm calling it now. WoL campaign is just some fever dream.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
Oops dp.
kiryogi said:
The Overmind had a split personality, so it's not such a big leap.
Also recall Starcraft 1.
"The greatness of her spirit has been left to her..."
"...I am wearied of the slaughter."
BananaBomb
Member
water_wendi said:
I played the entire thing including all the side missions except one (the secret one), and I agree with you completely. The WoL campaign was equivalent in plot progression to SC1's terran campaign.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
Wow... Off topic, but I think I actually prefer the new voice for Kerrigan. Maybe just because it's been over a decade and I've gotten used to whatshername in various stuff.ZealousD said:
SuperAndroid17
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The dark one's portrait looks like tassadar... tassadar also said he was never dead or never planned on dying.
hmmm .. maybe its just me.
hmmm .. maybe its just me.
Basileus777
Member
SuperAndroid17 said:The dark one's portrait looks like tassadar... tassadar also said he was never dead or never planned on dying.
hmmm .. maybe its just me.
Why would Tassadar give Zeratul valuable info and advice if he was an enemy?
SenorDingDong
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Bisnic said:
Yeah I saw that as well, fairly sure it happens as you come close to finishing the mission. I didn't realize it at the time but I'm fairly sure that portrait is just Novas with red hair.
Also was anyone else disappointed that the Terran General with the slick arm cannon and whose name currently eludes me wasn't a playable hero unit?
SenorDingDong said:Also was anyone else disappointed that the Terran General with the slick arm cannon and whose name currently eludes me wasn't a playable hero unit?
Heh yeah I thought that too. Thinking about it, did we get to control any hero units during the Terran campaign at all? We obviously did in the Protoss ones.
Edit: Oh wait didn't we control Tychus when attacking the news networks?
SuperAndroid17
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If you choose to take the nydus tunnel mission near the end of the campaign
You get 4 hero units.
Raynor/Tychus/the nerd/The fat armory guy
You get 4 hero units.
Raynor/Tychus/the nerd/The fat armory guy
SenorDingDong said:Also was anyone else disappointed that the Terran General with the slick arm cannon and whose name currently eludes me wasn't a playable hero unit?
It's okay, Blizzard got him to say "Mayday, mayday, this is General Warfield. My ship has taken TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE damage!"
GhostRidah
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been years since I played the original Starcraft campaign but was there any female protoss?
Just finished the campain and I really don't know what to think ...
The hole Tychus story is just too obvious (since it's Mengsk voice in the opening cinematic), Kerrigan is a really bad villain in this campain, Raynor is way too cliché at times.
There are some funny cameos in the game, but it really feels too much at times (Dancing Hologram, TV spots etc ...)
The "choices" you can make that lead to different missions, or affect the next mission adds some sort of player involvement, but makes the game feel like a dumbed down Mass Effect.
The overall experience was fun, but just got nowhere .... after ten years ... DAMN YOU BLIZZARD !
The hole Tychus story is just too obvious (since it's Mengsk voice in the opening cinematic), Kerrigan is a really bad villain in this campain, Raynor is way too cliché at times.
There are some funny cameos in the game, but it really feels too much at times (Dancing Hologram, TV spots etc ...)
The "choices" you can make that lead to different missions, or affect the next mission adds some sort of player involvement, but makes the game feel like a dumbed down Mass Effect.
The overall experience was fun, but just got nowhere .... after ten years ... DAMN YOU BLIZZARD !
Just finished it and I thought it was pretty awesome. The story maybe wasn't what everyone was expecting but overall Raynor achieved most of his goals. The final act was pretty awesome with the Terrans stuck on Char with Battlecruisers and other shit crashing left and right, just waiting to be overrun.
I think that the Moebius/Narud(Duran) thing is just one of Mengsk's schemes again. Too bad we didn't actually got to fight him head-on. And yes I agree, Tassadar could've been the enemy all along. It might be crazy but he was the one who decided not to stop the Zerg infestation.
Everytime I finish a Starcraft game I feel like I should fire up the map editor and build my own mini-campaign. :lol
I think that the Moebius/Narud(Duran) thing is just one of Mengsk's schemes again. Too bad we didn't actually got to fight him head-on. And yes I agree, Tassadar could've been the enemy all along. It might be crazy but he was the one who decided not to stop the Zerg infestation.
Everytime I finish a Starcraft game I feel like I should fire up the map editor and build my own mini-campaign. :lol
Just finished the campaign. It was really solid. Not really much to discuss though, it's a really straightforward story, and it's pretty obvious what direction the story is headed to next. I think the Kerrigan message at the end that says "don't give up" should be in every single game. It's the last thing that happens before you complete the mission. My artifact was at 100% health and never touched the entire mission, and when I defeated Kerrigan in her final charge (artifact at about 98% charge or so) I got the "don't give up" message and Raynor and Matt commented on it, then I got the victory cutscene with the artifact being used.
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