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Lol who gives a fuck if you can't walk for the whole planet? you have 1000 of them ffs :lollipop_squinting:

I can understand being sad because there is no free space flight when you enter or exit a planet because of the whole astronaut fantasy and immersion and shit, but this? cmon people...
 
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Kikorin said:
I can't understand how some could be bothered because you can't explore the entire planet walking. To me is a lot worse that you still have to see a load screen when you enter a building, that's annoying since you visit the cities, but who mentally sane would explore an entire procedurally generated planet just to see rocks for hours.
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When done right, you are not just looking at rocks for hours.
 
Raven77 said:
In my post above I explained why it doesn't appear that they're divided into cells. There is basically one "map" per planet that randomly generates terrain based on that planet parameters. Every time you go to the planet it's just generates the same size square map with the same points of interest but with different procedural terrain.

Each planet is basically just one square map with that planets creatures, enemies, etc and procedurally generated terrain.
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This goes against Todd Howard's own words from the Lex Fridman interview

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03🚀TH: "Well you mentioned Daggerfall, we go back to some of that. Well, the first one we did it was how are we gonna render a planet like pull it off for the player like, can we? or do we have to sort of do it where you can't land on all of them where you're Landing in a very controlled small world space that we, you kno, kind of craft and you would have a very limited set of those. If you go back to tone like, well that's probably the wrong tone and how can we say yes like I want to land on that ice ball? so it started, we started the game right after Fallout 4 so 2016 and the first thing we did was can, you know, how can we have a system to generate these planets and make them look, you know, I'll say reasonable as opposed to, you know, fractally goop?


04🚀[ About what goop means][...]you've probably seen a lot of like simulations whether they're space things or landscape things where they're using fractals and this the landscape does not look real just, this is like highs and lows and it's muddy and so we did find a way, we came up with a way had prototyped of building tiles like large tiles of landscape the way we would usually build them, we kind of generate them offline, hand do some things and end up with these very realistic looking tiles of landscape, and then built a system that wraps those around a planet and blends them all together. And we had pretty successful results with that and so, we thought yeah we could, we could do this and so there was a big design kind of problem to solve in terms of well, what's fun about landing on a planet where there's potentially nothing, because there's a lot of planets and moons, if you kind of right in reality that well, there's nothing on them except resources and so we spent a lot of time figuring out okay let's just lean in on that can a be a lonely experience as long as we tell the player here's what's there, here are the resources that are there, go find the, but I equate it to that moment of we said about listening to the wind go and watching the sunset and I do think there's a certain Beauty to landing on a strange Planet being somewhat the only person there building an outpost and we are modeling all of the systems because that's how we like to do things so you can watch whatever that gas giant or Moon it will rotate and go and Sunrise,Sunset and all of those things that you would expect and it's , it's all really happening and most people probably won't notice or appreciate all of that but I think it gives them the ability to say I want to go do that and see that on that place as long as we tell them hey, the quest leads over here, here's where the handcrafted content is that you would expect and then here's more of the open procedural Planet experience.
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ByWatterson said:
Trying to find a particular animal that only appears in the southern hemisphere, underground, and at night in NMS is actually sort of incredible.
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Considering the planets in this game can have multiple biomes, I assume some planets will only have certain plants or animals in certain biomes, it only makes sense.
 
GymWolf said:
Lol who gives a fuck if you can't walk for the whole planet?
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Me 😎 gave reasons in other posts.
But it won't keep me from enjoying this game.

Who gives a fuck about shooting others in the head for hours on end?
Who gives a fuck about running after a ball and kicking it til it lands inside a rectangle?
Who gives a fuck about driving a car in a circle very fast?
Who gives a fuck about placing structures beside each other until they resemble a village?

That would be questions I would ask, if I wouldn't understand that people just have different tastes, different understandings, different priorities 😅
This is not meant as an attack, it's just sad to see in almost every thread...one person has an opinion, others don't share it so it gets called out as dumb or inferior or whatever.

Again: it's a bummer for me that this game doesn't have seamless transition on planets, but I will play it, probably for hundreds of hours and enjoy the fuck out of it... It will be glorious and epic...it could have been a little more, just like NMS if they would just lean into the procgen more or had the ability with their engine to implement orbital mechanics and seamless transition between srar systems... Not to do it of course. Just to have it, to have the feeling it is possible, to be wowed by the possibilities of this medium instead of not giving a fuck because others are not concerned.

This all seems ranty, but truly it isn't, just waiting on pizza delivery 😎
 
Luipadre said:
Its amazing how everyone tries so hard to find the smallest nonsense to talk shit about the game. Keep doing it, meanwhile millions of players will enjoy playing it. My god gamers are something. Expecting the same shit when spider man 2 drops this fall
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We're already at that point with Spiderman as the criticism for most Playstation exclusives are just toxic console warring. The game was being called DLC because New York in 2023 looks too similar to New York in 2018....
 
MMaRsu said:
No Mans Sky doesnt have quests, fully interactable NPC's with their own schedules, factions, hundreds of interesting POI's, complete player agency during missions, companions, fully living breathing cities.

Jesus christ. This isnt a space sim, its a fucking Bethesda RPG.
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Haven't played No Man's Sky in awhile, but I'm pretty sure the space stations(ones still under Atlas control) have quests. Perhaps not super exciting ones but the rewards were sometimes good. Plus early part of the game now has a rather extensive story mode to it.(which also acts as a tutorial at times)
 
OuterLimits said:
Haven't played No Man's Sky in awhile, but I'm pretty sure the space stations(ones still under Atlas control) have quests. Perhaps not super exciting ones but the rewards were sometimes good. Plus early part of the game now has a rather extensive story mode to it.(which also acts as a tutorial at times)
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Well yea I know there are objectives, and eventually they did add npc's that can give you a mission, but those are more in the veign of activities in a Skyrim game.
 
Buggy Loop said:
This goes against Todd Howard's own words from the Lex Fridman interview

roadtostarfield.blogspot.com

LEX FRIDMAN PODCAST, TODD HOWARD, 29 DE NOVIEMBRE 2022

Starfield
roadtostarfield.blogspot.com roadtostarfield.blogspot.com
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Nothing in there goes against what the leaker said.

Nobody is saying that the world is not rendered and the tiles are not wrapped around the planet. Obviously they are because otherwise you wouldn't be able to see anything outside of your square that you land on.

What the leaker is saying is that you can explore only one square on the map. When you leave and come back, the terrain is randomized again.
 
Raven77 said:
Nothing in there goes against what the leaker said.

Nobody is saying that the world is not rendered and the tiles are not wrapped around the planet. Obviously they are because otherwise you wouldn't be able to see anything outside of your square that you land on.

What the leaker is saying is that you can explore only one square on the map. When you leave and come back, the terrain is randomized again.
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That is simply not true. There is a set seed by Bethesda, terrain will be the same for everyone, POI's are placed randomly based on the planet.

There is no 'regeneration' of terrain as in No Mans Sky.
 
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Raven77 said:
Nothing in there goes against what the leaker said.

Nobody is saying that the world is not rendered and the tiles are not wrapped around the planet. Obviously they are because otherwise you wouldn't be able to see anything outside of your square that you land on.

What the leaker is saying is that you can explore only one square on the map. When you leave and come back, the terrain is randomized again.
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this absolutely makes no sense, and it kinda speaks volumes that you believe this.

There's a lot of stuff that's procedurally generated, but once it's done, it'll stay that way.

Most of your conjecture doesn't pass the sniff test either. Speculating that there's only one map on any planet and you get no diversity if you land anywhere else…yeesh
 
MMaRsu said:
That is simply not true. There is a set seed by Bethesda, terrain will be the same for everyone, POI's are placed randomly based on the planet.

There is no 'regeneration' of terrain as in No Mans Sky.
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I may be misremembering something but I think seed is also locked in No Mans Sky. There was this thing short after launch where two players wanted to check if there is multiplayer in the game by traveling to the same planet. They did stand in the same exact spot and landacape was looking identical for both of them(they did not see eachother, though, as multiplayer was not actualy implemented).
 
MMaRsu said:
That is simply not true. There is a set seed by Bethesda, terrain will be the same for everyone, POI's are placed randomly based on the planet.

There is no 'regeneration' of terrain as in No Mans Sky.
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Well, the leaker actually playing the game says otherwise. He explored up to the boundary, left the planet came right back down next to where he was and the terrain was different.

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Maybe he's wrong, or lying. Idk.
 
A regenerating seed makes no sense since they already stated everyones world will be the same except the poi's.
 
Ozriel said:
this absolutely makes no sense, and it kinda speaks volumes that you believe this.

There's a lot of stuff that's procedurally generated, but once it's done, it'll stay that way.

Most of your conjecture doesn't pass the sniff test either. Speculating that there's only one map on any planet and you get no diversity if you land anywhere else…yeesh
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I'm literally just telling you what the leaker said. You guys act like I have the game and I'm playing and I'm sitting here lying to you. Go read it yourself...

Who knows, maybe the guy is wrong or lying. I'm simply passing along what he stated.
 
Raven77 said:
I'm literally just telling you what the leaker said. You guys act like I have the game and I'm playing and I'm sitting here lying to you. Go read it yourself...

Who knows, maybe the guy is wrong or lying. I'm simply passing along what he stated.
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The guy who made the game says the tiles are blended together.

The 'leaker' you're fascinated with never said tiles regenerate to an entirely different map when you revisit.

I'm curious how you think that works since you can set up outposts etc on any of these tiles and you're supposed to be able to come back to them at will, set up resource gathering stations etc.
 
Ozriel said:
The guy who made the game says the tiles are blended together.

The 'leaker' you're fascinated with never said tiles regenerate to an entirely different map when you revisit.

I'm curious how you think that works since you can set up outposts etc on any of these tiles and you're supposed to be able to come back to them at will, set up resource gathering stations etc.
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You know what, you're completely right. Bethesda has literally never lied about anything ever before...

Again I'm not saying that the terrain is not consistent, I'm stating that the guy playing the game said that.

Believe whoever you want.
 
MMaRsu said:
That is simply not true. There is a set seed by Bethesda, terrain will be the same for everyone, POI's are placed randomly based on the planet.

There is no 'regeneration' of terrain as in No Mans Sky.
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In No Man's Sky there is one seed for the whole universe.
18,446,744,073,709,551,616 planets always the same for everybody that plays the game.
They changed the seed and changed the algorithm in some patches at the beginning to finetune the terrain generation, but since a lot of players love their bases which got fucked up, they stopped. Which is sad because the generation nowadays is more realistic, but also more boring.
 
Hudo said:
This is also what I gathered. You just can't land everywhere. But once landed, you can go everywhere you want.
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Think its the other way around. You can land anywhere, but once landed you can only go so (very) far before you need to get bac in your ship. At least that how i have understood the leaks.
 
Buggy Loop said:
And to what end?



No man's sky planets are caricatures in size and yet still so boring and tedious. Elite dangerous to scale planet would literally take a decade or more of your life to walk around one.

Sucks that the maps aren't stitched together for Starfield, but in the end, doesn't mean fuck all for gameplay.
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Gameplay is often a tertiary consideration for way, way too many gamers these days.

Leaving that aside, do these people seriously not understand the truly impossible scale of the task that they would be asking devs to achieve, if they were to avoid some compromise like this?

And then, as you've said, what would it all be for in the end?

How many hours/days do these gamers want to spend walking around planets which just cannot - CANNOT - be full of hand crafted things for you to see and do everywhere?

At some point the kind of demands we're seeing made by some here is just asking for, well, magic.

What did you expect? It's a game. Not a universe simulator running on a quantum supercomputer.
 
Everyone should just watch this and realize making games is hard and lets just all have fun together in anticipation for this great game :)

 
Raven77 said:
Nothing in there goes against what the leaker said.

Nobody is saying that the world is not rendered and the tiles are not wrapped around the planet. Obviously they are because otherwise you wouldn't be able to see anything outside of your square that you land on.

What the leaker is saying is that you can explore only one square on the map. When you leave and come back, the terrain is randomized again.
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I'm replying to the guy whose theory is that it's only 1 square, continually procedurally generated.

It's one thing to say that they are stitched all around a planet but you can't walk between them, it's another to say that the devs are cheating away with a single square world.
 
Montauk said:
And what's doing it right?

How do you propose to make walking the whole way round 1000 planets interesting?
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NMS did exploring right with way more than 1000 planets. I understand this is an RPG first and NMS would be considered an RPG-lite, but making exploring interesting can absolutely be done. It does not have to be at NMS levels but procedurally generated content can make for some interesting and unique discoveries.
 
I mean it sorta sucks, not that big of a deal.

Obviously it would cool if we could seamlessly fly, land and lift off in and outside the atmosphere. They probably couldn't get it to work with what they have.
 
reinking said:
NMS did exploring right with way more than 1000 planets. I understand this is an RPG first and NMS would be considered an RPG-lite, but making exploring interesting can absolutely be done. It does not have to be at NMS levels but procedurally generated content can make for some interesting and unique discoveries.
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Haha nms isnt an rpg at all

adamsapple said:
Wake up babe, new controversy just dropped.
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Omg what now 🤣
 
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clarky said:
Think its the other way around. You can land anywhere, but once landed you can only go so (very) far before you need to get bac in your ship. At least that how i have understood the leaks.
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Well, now we need to figure out which is true because the implications are... profound.
 
Hudo said:
Well, now we need to figure out which is true because the implications are... profound.
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I'm 99% sure its this way. Which is totally fine imo. I have zero desire to leave my pc on for 11 months while my avatar walks around a barren planet with zero POI's.
 
Raven77 said:
Read the last line. LOL he made it all up.

Cool that you fell for it though.

If you do some actual digging you can find comments from the person that posted the Chinese language screenshots. And those he States specifically that the terrain does NOT match up when re-landing.
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Ah man I missed that he made it up. That actuallyreally bums me put bc I liked the thing about the elites and loot :'(
 
MMaRsu said:
Haha nms isnt an rpg at all
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Did you play it? It is an open world survival game but it absolutely has RPG elements. Frankly, I hope I am getting the wrong impression about exploration in Starfield and there is more to exploration than "just seeing rocks." I will gladly be wrong and go on to enjoy playing the game even more. I'm not sure why people are critical of other people that want more exploration. We have been told for years that we will be able to explore over a thousand planets.
 
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