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[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Show me

Cause I see no actual downgrade.

Those 2022 models are more realistic, they move their cheeks and foreheads. There's a lot more details in their facial movements.

 

[MMaRsu]

That's what i have a Series X for. I don't want an ugly ass rig sitting in my theatre room. In my country we call that ghetto.

So ghetto !

 

[MMaRsu]

Those 2022 models are more realistic, they move their cheeks and foreheads. There's a lot more details in their facial movements.

False, I just watched the 2022 presentation and the animation is horrible. She doesnt move her forehead at all.

 

[adamsapple]

Those 2022 models are more realistic, they move their cheeks and foreheads. There's a lot more details in their facial movements.

I think it's just you.

 

[FoxMcChief]

So ghetto !

I wouldn't say that's ghetto, but your switch in front of the tv bothers the ever living fuck out of me.

 

[mxbison]

Show me

Cause I see no actual downgrade.

Skin and eyes are way more detailed in the left picture.

I don't really care since it still looks good but it's definitely downgraded a bit.

 

[Interfectum]

That's what i have a Series X for. I don't want an ugly ass rig sitting in my theatre room. In my country we call that ghetto.

My TV gaming PC. 4080, runs everything at 4k/60, easier to fit into my setup than a PS5.

Here is a promo shot for size:

 

[MMaRsu]

Its obvious there are no downgrades. Everything looks better than it did in 2022. Faces, character models, textures, shooting gameplay.

 

[MMaRsu]

Skin and eyes are way more detailed in the left picture.

I don't really care since it still looks good but it's definitely downgraded a bit.

Go look at the moving footage and watch how bad it looks.

 

[MMaRsu]

I wouldn't say that's ghetto, but your switch in front of the tv bothers the ever living fuck out of me.

Yea I might move it but no good spot to put it..

 

[shamoomoo]

Its obvious there are no downgrades. Everything looks better than it did in 2022. Faces, character models, textures, shooting gameplay.

That just looks like a color palette change and a slight redesign of the area. That central building looks exactly the same.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Its obvious there are no downgrades. Everything looks better than it did in 2022. Faces, character models, textures, shooting gameplay.

back to turning everything into shades of brown. What year is it?!?!?

 

[Dr_Ifto]

back to turning everything into shades of brown. What year is it?!?!?

Hopefully its some dynamic lighting/weather effect

 

[MMaRsu]

back to turning everything into shades of brown. What year is it?!?!?

Sir that is a western planet.

 

[zephiross]

Life doesn't work like that. Where I come from, we have nice houses, a family and certain places for certain things. My gaming PC lives in my office. You really think I'm going to lug it out to my theatre room, yeah that's practical. And what just see it there for months on end? It has other uses, not just gaming. I don't live in a basement with my mum. Seriously, get a clue about life man. Sorry I don't mean to offend personally, but god I hate when people say this!

Have you heard about our lord and savior Sunshine/Moonlight ? Now you have so you can stop being an ignorant butthurt.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Sir that is a western planet.

And it was not before the change?

 

[MMaRsu]

And it was not before the change?

Its an old build from more than a year old?

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Sir that is a western planet.

Yes, I was largely joking, but the NPC faces/hair and facial animations are clear downgrades.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Its an old build from more than a year old?

So in the old build was a not western planet and the new is a western planet.

 

[MMaRsu]

So in the old build was a not western planet and the new is a western planet.

No the old build had the wrong lightning

 

[adamsapple]

Sir that is a western planet.

Look at all these shades of brown

 

[FoxMcChief]

Yea I might move it but no good spot to put it..

Put it on top of your PC.

 

[twilo99]

My TV gaming PC. 4080, runs everything at 4k/60, easier to fit into my setup than a PS5.

Here is a promo shot for size:

You must be in some weird aesthetically pleasing ghetto..

 

[Ribi]

Pete Hines already confirmed it, Todd states in the direct you can land anywhere you want and walk the planet.

At this point yall choosing to be ignorant.

Again, until I see a leaker confirm it I'm not gnna trust PR spin master Todd Howard. Walk in the planet - well yes you can land on a landing zone can walk
Anywhere you want - you choose your landing zone

See how that can be twisted?

 

[MidGenRefresh]

New leak, this is the gameplay that they're showing at Gamescom:

https://files.catbox.moe/6q0uh9.mp4

 

[naguanatak]

see this is what im thinking. Tod can say what he wants but i have yet to see the leakers confirm anything. There is no video that i have seen where the player can land anywhere he wants and then walk the entirety of the planet and get to the other landing areas.

15:18-15:30
Player sets his own destination to land...but then decides to chose a predetermined one.
As for the walking across the planet. I don't have proof, only the knowledge that it is technically possible in other games and the hope that Bethesda did it and are not lying about it

 

[MidGenRefresh]

see this is what im thinking. Tod can say what he wants but i have yet to see the leakers confirm anything. There is no video that i have seen where the player can land anywhere he wants and then walk the entirety of the planet and get to the other landing areas.

I honestly don't understand why people are doubting this will be possible. This kind of tech worked in 1996, in The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall.

 

[Ribi]

I honestly don't understand why people are doubting this will be possible. This kind of tech worked in 1996, in The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall.

Games do plenty. I just wanna see if sweet ole lying Todd is doing it again or not. I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt after he's lied so many times. People doing so are insane, have I ever told you the definition of insanity? The dude is a known liar, excuse me why I have my doubts about something a liar has told me. I think that's pretty reasonable don't you say?

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Game do it's plenty even. I just wanna see if sweet ole lying Todd is doing it again or not. I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt after he's lied so many times. People doing so are insane, have I ever told you the definition of insanity? The dude is a known liar, excuse me why I have my doubts about something a liar has told me. I think that's pretty reasonable don't you say?

 

[Ribi]

Again, I'm choosing to be cautious of this statement until I see it myself. "Entire planet" could very well mean "the planet we have predetermined" aka the size of the landing zone. Why would I say this? Because that's classic PR speak. (Technically not wrong if you could walk the entirety of the "planet" if it's just a landing zone)

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Again, I'm choosing to be cautious of this statement until I see it myself. "Entire planet" could very well mean "the planet we have predetermined" aka the size of the landing zone. Why would I say this? Because that's classic PR speak. (Technically not wrong if you could walk the entirety of the "planet" if it's just a landing zone)

Ability to explore an entire planet once you've landed is something that's extremely simple for them to implement, if you understand how that tech is actually working. Again, this is something that was done back in 1996.

 

[timothet]

I honestly don't understand why people are doubting this will be possible. This kind of tech worked in 1996, in The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall.

This is weird argument considering the fact that no loading screens for entering/exiting buildings has been around for a while, yet Bethesda seems to ommit that feature in their games. I don't know if this is true for Starfield, but definitely was a thing in F4/F76.
So this is not a doubt about technical possibility, but doubt about Bethesda being bothered enough to add it to their game.

 

[Dutchy]

My TV gaming PC. 4080, runs everything at 4k/60, easier to fit into my setup than a PS5.

Here is a promo shot for size:

Yo, I fucking love that case. Never seen anything like it.

Currently stuck with the ugliest alienware model ever because I could get it for free. I know next to nothing about PC's but could I take my current hardware and put it in a different case without much issue?

 

[MidGenRefresh]

This is weird argument considering the fact that no loading screens for entering/exiting buildings has been around for a while, yet Bethesda seems to ommit that feature in their games. I don't know if this is true for Starfield, but definitely was a thing in F4/F76.
So this is not a doubt about technical possibility, but doubt about Bethesda being bothered enough to add it to their game.

Interiors and exteriors are different cells in Creation Engine. Again, if you understand how the engine works you know it's not that complicated. And again, this was already achieved back in 1996.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Skin and eyes are way more detailed in the left picture.

I don't really care since it still looks good but it's definitely downgraded a bit.

Left PC. right Xbox series X Simple!

 

[GrayFoxPL]

More leaked gameplay


The guy really has never played a videogame before I think lmao

The guy playing is either drunk or high, or both.

The analogue stick is right there!

 

[timothet]

Interiors and exteriors are different cells in Creation Engine. Again, if you understand how the engine works you know it's not that complicated. And again, this was already achieved back in 1996.

I'm familiar with how asset streaming works and I don't have problem with that. I just simply highlighted how your argument does not make sense.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I'm familiar with how asset streaming works and I don't have problem with that. I just simply highlighted how your argument does not make sense.

They already confirmed it's the case, I honestly don't know what more I can tell you. Yes, you can land 500km south of New Atlantis and walk like a complete dickhead straight north for hours. Amazing gameplay possibilities.

 

[timothet]

They already confirmed it's the case, I honestly don't know what more I can tell you. Yes, you can land 500km south of New Atlantis and walk like a complete dickhead straight north for hours. Amazing gameplay possibilities.

Well neither can I. You can't understand what I'm writing to you.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Well neither can I. You can't understand what I'm writing to you.

My argument is a) they were able to do it in their own game back in 1996 and b) they confirmed it's possible in Starfield.

Your argument is that games from other devs offer no loading between interior/exterior and previous Bethesda games did not. Amazing.

In Starfield there will be loading between going from outside (one cell) to large interiors (another cell), just like in their prior games. We can see it in the Direct.

Anyway, this was a waste of time.

 

[timothet]

My argument is a) they were able to do it in their own game back in 1996 and b) they confirmed it's possible in Starfield.

Your argument is that games from other devs offer no loading between interior/exterior and previous Bethesda games did not. Amazing.

In Starfield there will be loading between going from outside (one cell) to large interiors (another cell), just like in their prior games. We can see it in the Direct.

Anyway, this was a waste of time.

No. Your argument was that something that was possible to implement in 1996 in one engine(XnGine) assures that it will be impemented in another engine(Creation Engine) in 2023. That's it.
The fact that it's from the same company is irrevelant. It's been 27 years, there is not that many people that worked on both engines.

There is plenty of features that were implemented in older games, yet they are not used in all modern games. It's not about difficulty of implementation, but whether developers deem it important to have.
That's my counterargument.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

No. Your argument was that something that was possible to implement in 1996 in one engine(XnGine) assures that it will be impemented in another engine(Creation Engine) in 2023. That's it.
The fact that it's from the same company is irrevelant. It's been 27 years, there is not that many people that worked on both engines.

There is plenty of features that were implemented in older games, yet they are not used in all modern games. It's not about difficulty of implementation, but whether developers deem it important to have.
That's my counterargument.

Dude, it's already confirmed. Why are you so difficult?

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

The first 12 minutes of the game has leaked from Gamescom.

https://files.catbox.moe/6q0uh9.mp4

 

[timothet]

Dude, it's already confirmed. Why are you so difficult?

You really have problem with reading comprehension, don't you? Fair enough.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

You really have problem with reading comprehension, don't you? Fair enough.

Amazing. Honestly, a conversation with ChatGPT bot is more engaging. Have a blessed day.

 

[timothet]

Amazing. Honestly, a conversation with ChatGPT bot is more engaging. Have a blessed day.

"Beep"

 

[MidGenRefresh]

The first 12 minutes of the game has leaked from Gamescom.

https://files.catbox.moe/6q0uh9.mp4

Already posted. This reminds me of 2015 and when gameplay of Fallout 4 from Gamescom was leaked to PornHub. Those were the days.

 

[Caio]

I only want to say something : 12 Days to go yessssssssss, let's go.

 

[b0uncyfr0]

Its obvious there are no downgrades. Everything looks better than it did in 2022. Faces, character models, textures, shooting gameplay.

I think the game will look nothing like 2023 - but ill beleive it when i see it. These are both PR shots, lets see the real thing in action- then compare.

 

[SJRB]

Having a graphics debate over a Bethesda game isn't worth anyone's time.

Their games look like ass. Always have. Atmosphere and art direction might be good, but the visual fidelity of their games is terrible. Textures, lighting, level of detail, it's always subpar at best. Surely no one looks at that 2023 screenshot and thinks "wow, what a next-gen game".

But no one buys these games because they're graphical powerhouses.