I'm convinced you people have a different definition of loud or you're living in some arctic environment.
I've already spoken to several others about this and read enough posts online, I'm pretty confident this is Sony fans unwilling to concede anything could be bad with the console at all.
Killzone most definitely drives PS4 fan noise up to PS3 slim stage 2 of 3 levels, I haven't heard it as loud as 3/3 but it's not far from it.
This "you must have a faulty PS4" stuff is cobblers.
EDIT: it's about 72f in Melbourne, inside my apartment now as summer is about to start,... it's not even close to proper warm yet. I've already ordered 2 silent, external fans to try to keep the thing quieter. Why the fuck they couldn't build it 10% bigger and focus on noise is beyond me, I get it's stylish but it's almost arguably too small.
Can't believe they managed to fit a freaking GTX TITAN in there. It takes up 1/3 of the entire box. JESUS.
What is Titan on paper.. twice the CUDA cores of the GPU in Xbox One?
I'm more worried about the lack of buttons on the thingIt is the same old mouse + keyboard vs controller argument, anyone using the stream machine controller is going to get destroyed by any decently skilled regular pc users edit: in shooters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p37YssfPmrI
The biggest thing I'm taking from all this is that controller looks awful and I was moderately optimistic about it.
Need to work on the uncrudening if they're sending that thing out for people to mess around with.
question is, will the Steam Machine allow you to use other USB controller or arcades sticks?
mmm nice... Wonder how long that spec will stay viable?
I was under the impression that offline mode still needed a check in, just less often than every 24h but from another poster it looks like that may not be the case? My PC is always online so I've never had to try it but I'm fairly sure my mum 's started complaining after a while and i had to put it back online. I may have a wrong understanding of how steam offline works though?What are you talking about?
I was under the impression that offline mode still needed a check in, just less often than every 24h but from another poster it looks like that may not be the case? My PC is always online so I've never had to try it but I'm fairly sure my mum 's started complaining after a while and i had to put it back online. I may have a wrong understanding of how steam offline works though?
Multiple machines from multiple partners, from $499 to $ridiculous (announced so far). There should be streaming boxes that Gabe says will be $99 but eventually free and boxes at $299 with dedicated graphics cards. You can also build your own.
The machines are as cheap or expensive as you want them to be
Exactly why they sent it out, need the feedback of the testers, to work and modify it into something more robust...
The Steam client has an offline mode that operates indefinitely.
the offline mode requires no check-in whatsoever.
But it's not. Even Steamworks games aren't required to be tethered to the client.
Valve did inadvertently introduce a bug to Offline Mode that caused the saved log-in credentials to expire after two weeks
reason why I ask is because the PS3 accepted generic USB HID controllersI can't imagine they wouldn't allow you to. Maybe you'd have install Windows or something though. The Steam controller looks interesting, but I want to hear some impressions. I'd just as soon use a 360 or DS4 tbqh. That being said, I don't play competitive games on PC. I'm actually kind of hyped for these Steam Machines. I want to wait to see what the Linux support is going to be like though from developers.
must have been unlucky and set up her Steam account and PC while it was an active bug!
It is the same old mouse + keyboard vs controller argument, anyone using the stream machine controller is going to get destroyed by any decently skilled regular pc users edit: in shooters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p37YssfPmrI
Holy crap do these threads always take the same annoying turn.
Valve is building something different here, not a traditional console. You cannot apply traditional console reasoning to it directly.
probably but we need to see some vids of people playing with reasonable sensitivity settings.
Holy crap do these threads always take the same annoying turn.
Valve is building something different here, not a traditional console. You cannot apply traditional console reasoning to it directly.
We also don't know how well he plays TF2 or any other FPS with a kb/m or controller. We should probably wait a while before jumping to conclusions.
I'm not applying console reasoning per se. What I'm wondering is what is the point if it's got so many different iterations that it's basically nothing more than a linux-based PC. It just doesn't make sense in the current marketplace.
Why?
I wish these people would wait awhile before posting videos.
Why do people post videos of them playing like shit anyway? All we learn is that you're shit.
amounts to little more than re-branding a previously existing product.
So don't make a drive by comment like that, offer up some of the key differentiators. If it's already done to death in another thread then apologies for missing it.Holy crap do these threads always take the same annoying turn.
Valve is building something different here, not a traditional console. You cannot apply traditional console reasoning to it directly.
Don't underestimate the power of a strong brand / marketing. Just ask Sega about the Dreamcast.
However I do struggle to understand fully the market for Steam Machine. Enthusiasts will likely continue build their own, it's not aimed at being your "desktop pc", so that leaves console gamers or Alienware buyers.
To compete vs consoles, there's an expectation of price, form factor, noise, and ecosystem and not all steam machines will target that. Then you get the problem of multiple skus diluting the brand (remember the xbox arcade edition?).
Fascinated to see how this pans out. There's definitely a potential market with people no longer absolutely requiring Windows at home plus consoles being a bit disappointing hardware wise.
Because...the rest of the post you quoted?
Can i call it the S-box?
So don't make a drive by comment like that, offer up some of the key differentiators. If it's already done to death in another thread then apologies for missing it.
Alienware box plus steam in big picture mode?I failed to understand your point. A gaming PC with console-like simplicity doesn't exist today. A console with PC-like openness and customizations doesn't exist today. No matter how you look at it a Steam Machine is a new class of device. If you disagree then please explain.
I can't imagine they wouldn't allow you to. Maybe you'd have install Windows or something though.
Alienware box plus steam in big picture mode?
I agree to an extent, however it's not completely different either (i.e. not in my view a completely new class of device). I'm off to get breakfast now plus probably wise to duck out of the thread before it goes too OT. If i get time later I'll dig up the SteamOS thread and continue thereIt's still Windows, with everything that that entails. It's not nearly as simple as a console.
But it's not. It's a set of pre-built and pre-configured Linux PCs which run an OS (with significant scheduler and compositor changes) and GUI optimized for gaming.I'm not applying console reasoning per se. What I'm wondering is what is the point if it's got so many different iterations that it's basically nothing more than a linux-based PC.
What I see here is an argument for creating Steam machines to open up the mid- to high-end "PC" gaming market to just those people you refer to.It's rare to see anyone that doesn't play videogames on PC owning a tower or a horizontal PC case anymore, which (from what I can tell) is basically what these things are.
That exactly what it is, but only partially. In addition to these advantages, you also haveNow granted maybe they're bringing high-end PC gaming tech into a more affordable package by getting rid of all the bloat that normally accompanies pre-configured PCs, and bringing the entry price more in line with building your own, without having to actually build your own. In that sense maybe it's a good proposition.
If you apply such high standards for being "different", then no, it's not different. The way I look at it, they are applying the Android model to the high-end console gaming marktplace, and that could be pretty revolutionary.But I disagree that they're doing something 'different'. They're just creating a different version of a product that already exists, that any tech-savvy person could build one of their own if they so chose by buying the individual components and putting it together.
It has been done to death in every Steam machine / Steam OS thread. Otherwise I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed and do what you suggest. Like the first 8 times. But I never learn, so you can read some key differentiators above. Again.So don't make a drive by comment like that, offer up some of the key differentiators. If it's already done to death in another thread then apologies for missing it.
Thanks - very interesting points. As per my previous post I'll continue in the appropriate thread if there's anything new to add. I suspect there's a large amount of violent agreement going onIt has been done to death in every Steam machine / Steam OS thread. Otherwise I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed and do what you suggest. Like the first 8 times. But I never learn, so you can read some key differentiators above. Again.
question is, will the Steam Machine allow you to use other USB controller or arcades sticks?
But it's not. It's a set of pre-built and pre-configured Linux PCs which run an OS (with significant scheduler and compositor changes) and GUI optimized for gaming.
What I see here is an argument for creating Steam machines to open up the mid- to high-end "PC" gaming market to just those people you refer to.
That exactly what it is, but only partially. In addition to these advantages, you also have
- an OS that is specifically focused on and tuned for gaming,
- a controller device designed for couch use which can be used to interact with the whole UI, and
- you will have clear branding that will tell people exactly what to expect when buying one.
If you apply such high standards for being "different", then no, it's not different. The way I look at it, they are applying the Android model to the high-end console gaming marktplace, and that could be pretty revolutionary.
It has been done to death in every Steam machine / Steam OS thread. Otherwise I wouldn't be nearly as annoyed and do what you suggest. Like the first 8 times. But I never learn, so you can read some key differentiators above. Again.