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Steve Jobs resigns as CEO of Apple

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Mael said:
Good for your mom, not that I care, my comment wasn't exactly meant for you anyway (some people on the web really post stuff like that and mean it).



Foregone conclusion unless there's a major snafu in beeween, then we'll see if they manage to stay the course or not (my money is on yes, seriously they would have failed earlier if SJ was such a big factor).
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I can't see how you look at Sprint's shares jumping 10% yesterday on a WSJ rumor that the iPhone is headed to its network and then say that all these as-yet unconfirmed rumors of expanding markets are foregone conclusions. They're not foregone conclusions, which is why the stock is affected when there are actual announcements and earnings.
 
Spokker said:
Looking at CNN, you'd think the fucking guy has died with the way people are carrying on. I can't imagine what the obituary is going to be like.

He's still an Apple employee and will have influence. You think when he speaks, people are going to go, "Uh, sorry Jobs. You ain't CEO anymore." Not going to happen.
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He's going to have minimal input of any decisions. You think he'd be stepping down if he wasn't concerned for his health? I think at this point in his life he has more priorities than running that company.
 
numble said:
I can't see how you look at Sprint's shares jumping 10% yesterday on a WSJ rumor that the iPhone is headed to its network and then say that all these as-yet unconfirmed rumors of expanding markets are foregone conclusions. They're not foregone conclusions, which is why the stock is affected when there are actual announcements and earnings.
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You misread me, I meant that with the info we have now it's a foregone conclusion not that it was how they planned this FY since 2009 or something.
 
Mael said:
You misread me, I meant that with the info we have now it's a foregone conclusion not that it was how they planned this FY since 2009 or something.
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But it's not. There was a 10% jump just for one of those rumors reaching critical mass in the Wall Street Journal (which investors read and trust). The other rumors are still in the realm of Apple rumor sites that gain no traction with investors. And if you think a certain amount of earnings and iPhone sales are a foregone conclusion, what do you think the foregone conclusion is for what iPhone and iPad sales will be in the holiday quarter?
 
numble said:
But it's not. There was a 10% jump just for one of those rumors reaching critical mass. The other rumors are still in the realm of Apple rumor sites that gain no traction with investors. And if you think a certain amount of earnings and iPhone sales are a foregone conclusion, what do you think the foregone conclusion is for what iPhone and iPad sales will be in the holiday quarter?
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Huh, your post boilded down to :
Iphone 4 reaching 20Mil
iPhone 5 doing well after that
and ipad 2 doing well this holydays.

I see nothing outlandish here so yeah it seems also not outlandish to claim that investors should be happy for the next sales report.
That's really what I was saying.

Oh and WSJ is actually something investors follow contrary to Apple rumour sites so yeah I can see them getting excited by that too.
I don't put money on Apple's stock or even its competitors so you'll excuse me if I don't follow it closely either.
 
Foregone conclusion means an expected result, something that has already been taken into account and has little effect on future performance. I don't think any of those things are foregone conclusions. A confirmation from Apple of a Sprint deal would probably push the stock further up than some rumor in WSJ, for instance.
 
numble said:
Foregone conclusion means an expected result, something that has already been taken into account and has little effect on future performance. I don't think any of those things are foregone conclusions. A confirmation from Apple of a Sprint deal would probably push the stock further up than some rumor in WSJ, for instance.
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The expected results was really
numble said:
Strong earnings cure investor worries.
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that.
i don't really care at what % they're happy or not really.
 
I really wish someone could explain how someone as important as Steve Jobs is (sadly) dying, yet Al Davis (who is a walking corpse right now) is still alive.

Really hope Steve is ok, he's one of my favorite people in the computer industry
 
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V_Arnold said:
If he has to fight off cancer again, then it is time to really stop doing the "head of a multimilliard dollar company" stuff because he needs balance, relaxation and a clear mind every day. And that + apple CEO is NOT harmony,balance and a relaxing environment.

Fuck greedy stockholders if they react badly btw.
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Then again, having Apple to focus on might be a better idea than sitting at some other place, thinking about cancer.
 
lol at the overreactions in this thread.
We all knew this day was coming. Tim Cook knows what he is doing, he's run the company every time Jobs has gone out on medical leave and things went just fine. The company has one of the best pedigrees, largest cash supply, and one of the most diversified product ranges (Hardware, Software, Largest Music Retailer, Cloud Storage, etc.)

They have a well routed roadmap for the future, and one of the best teams surrounding the CEO (Ives, et al)

Apple will do just fine.

I'm curious about when Steve Jobs does die, whats going to happen to his majority stake in Disney?
 
BocoDragon said:
Tobor's actually kind of right.

Going into the future, an iPad will do what 95% of computer users need it to do...
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I sort of see it like this:

For a lot of people, personal computer use is mainly content CONSUMPTION. And the iPad or similar tablet takes care of most of that.

More robust machines will still be needed in industry (at least for a while) for content CREATION.

So, depending on user needs, it could definitely replace a desktop or laptop for a lot of people.
 
Spokker said:
Looking at CNN, you'd think the fucking guy has died with the way people are carrying on. I can't imagine what the obituary is going to be like.
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After reading statements like "bye Steve Jobs! An "apple" a day does NOT keep the doctor away..." on facebook I really thought he had died.
 
Tragic. One of the most accomplished, influential people of our time. Thank you for all that you've done and inspired, Steve, and best wishes for your health going forward.
 
Does Steve Jobs even have any kids? That movie Pirates of the Silicon Valley suggested he had a daughter.

Edit: Nevermind, 3 kids from his wife and 1 bastard.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Does Steve Jobs even have any kids? That movie Pirates of the Silicon Valley suggested he had a daughter.

Edit: Nevermind, 3 kids from his wife and 1 bastard.
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His daughter, the bastard as you put it, is actually a pretty good writer.
 
megashock5 said:
I sort of see it like this:

For a lot of people, personal computer use is mainly content CONSUMPTION. And the iPad or similar tablet takes care of most of that.

More robust machines will still be needed in industry (at least for a while) for content CREATION.

So, depending on user needs, it could definitely replace a desktop or laptop for a lot of people.
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this is pretty much a given.

within the next 5 years computing will look like this.

smartphone - I don't see this progressing much beyond current iphone/android deal. I mean more powerful, more RAM, and eventually pico projectors and NFC, but beyond that stuff, how much more can phones really advance?

tablets - like you're saying, this will be the majority of what people use for typical computing. aka what the vast majority of desktops were bought for 10-15 years ago. playing games, browsing sites, reading, media, etc.

ultra-portable laptops - macbook air and such.. honestly within the next five years I'm predicting this segment will cover 90% of non-tablet computing, but will still be dwarfed considerably by tablets. This will be the new power segment. content creation, desktop computing, etc.

laptops/desktops/servers - I'm lumping all of these together because though some/all may still remain, they will be EXTREMELY niche computing devices. Obviously servers will still absolutely be around.. and you'll still see the super high end workstations and possibly laptops... but my guess is outside of the business sector, seeing any of these devices will be like seeing a ferrari or tesla. 99.9% of residential users will be served by the 2 previous segments.

as for the news.... man... it sucks. This guy helmed the company during every period where they brought to mainstream more shit that is ubiquitous with computing than possibly any other company around today... hopefully he's taking the time he has left now to actually enjoy life and enjoy the fact that he changed the world.
 
borghe said:
this is pretty much a given.

within the next 5 years computing will look like this.

smartphone - I don't see this progressing much beyond current iphone/android deal. I mean more powerful, more RAM, and eventually pico projectors and NFC, but beyond that stuff, how much more can phones really advance?

tablets - like you're saying, this will be the majority of what people use for typical computing. aka what the vast majority of desktops were bought for 10-15 years ago. playing games, browsing sites, reading, media, etc.

ultra-portable laptops - macbook air and such.. honestly within the next five years I'm predicting this segment will cover 90% of non-tablet computing, but will still be dwarfed considerably by tablets. This will be the new power segment. content creation, desktop computing, etc.

laptops/desktops/servers - I'm lumping all of these together because though some/all may still remain, they will be EXTREMELY niche computing devices. Obviously servers will still absolutely be around.. and you'll still see the super high end workstations and possibly laptops... but my guess is outside of the business sector, seeing any of these devices will be like seeing a ferrari or tesla. 99.9% of residential users will be served by the 2 previous segments.

as for the news.... man... it sucks. This guy helmed the company during every period where they brought to mainstream more shit that is ubiquitous with computing than possibly any other company around today... hopefully he's taking the time he has left now to actually enjoy life and enjoy the fact that he changed the world.
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Gamers will still need desktops for at least 5 years and probably longer. Also, I have no desire for a fucking tablet for anything. Give me my duel 24" monitors any day.
 
Hari Seldon said:
Gamers will still need desktops for at least 5 years and probably longer. Also, I have no desire for a fucking tablet for anything. Give me my duel 24" monitors any day.
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Good luck doing any computing work on a tablet too...I can't wait to program on the screens....
 
Hari Seldon said:
Does Steve Jobs even have any kids? That movie Pirates of the Silicon Valley suggested he had a daughter.

Edit: Nevermind, 3 kids from his wife and 1 bastard.
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Who's the bastard and why?
 
Hero said:
He's going to have minimal input of any decisions. You think he'd be stepping down if he wasn't concerned for his health? I think at this point in his life he has more priorities than running that company.
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If that was the case he would have quit outright. It's pretty clear by staying as chairman of the board and an employee that he wants some involvement. Maybe just to run the iPhone 5 conference and then retire, but from everything we know about Apple he would probably have a hard time going cold turkey on a job that involving.
 
borghe said:
this is pretty much a given.

within the next 5 years computing will look like this.

smartphone - I don't see this progressing much beyond current iphone/android deal. I mean more powerful, more RAM, and eventually pico projectors and NFC, but beyond that stuff, how much more can phones really advance?

tablets - like you're saying, this will be the majority of what people use for typical computing. aka what the vast majority of desktops were bought for 10-15 years ago. playing games, browsing sites, reading, media, etc.

ultra-portable laptops - macbook air and such.. honestly within the next five years I'm predicting this segment will cover 90% of non-tablet computing, but will still be dwarfed considerably by tablets. This will be the new power segment. content creation, desktop computing, etc.

laptops/desktops/servers - I'm lumping all of these together because though some/all may still remain, they will be EXTREMELY niche computing devices. Obviously servers will still absolutely be around.. and you'll still see the super high end workstations and possibly laptops... but my guess is outside of the business sector, seeing any of these devices will be like seeing a ferrari or tesla. 99.9% of residential users will be served by the 2 previous segments.

as for the news.... man... it sucks. This guy helmed the company during every period where they brought to mainstream more shit that is ubiquitous with computing than possibly any other company around today... hopefully he's taking the time he has left now to actually enjoy life and enjoy the fact that he changed the world.
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Exactly. This is why HP is leaving the consumer PC market and becoming an enterprise services company.
 
looks like phoenix was right after all, at least with the irrational part. Either that, or they forgot to carry the 1.
 
I disagree with the computer assessment. Desktops will still be mass produced for a long time thanks to businesses.

Also, 95% of the tablets out there are desktop/laptop dependent. The tablet market still has a lot of growing to do before it hits the mainstream like you suggest. I don't think that's going to happen in 5 years.
 
borghe said:
this is pretty much a given.

within the next 5 years computing will look like this.

smartphone - I don't see this progressing much beyond current iphone/android deal. I mean more powerful, more RAM, and eventually pico projectors and NFC, but beyond that stuff, how much more can phones really advance?

tablets - like you're saying, this will be the majority of what people use for typical computing. aka what the vast majority of desktops were bought for 10-15 years ago. playing games, browsing sites, reading, media, etc.

ultra-portable laptops - macbook air and such.. honestly within the next five years I'm predicting this segment will cover 90% of non-tablet computing, but will still be dwarfed considerably by tablets. This will be the new power segment. content creation, desktop computing, etc.

laptops/desktops/servers - I'm lumping all of these together because though some/all may still remain, they will be EXTREMELY niche computing devices. Obviously servers will still absolutely be around.. and you'll still see the super high end workstations and possibly laptops... but my guess is outside of the business sector, seeing any of these devices will be like seeing a ferrari or tesla. 99.9% of residential users will be served by the 2 previous segments.

as for the news.... man... it sucks. This guy helmed the company during every period where they brought to mainstream more shit that is ubiquitous with computing than possibly any other company around today... hopefully he's taking the time he has left now to actually enjoy life and enjoy the fact that he changed the world.
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I really really doubt the laptop is going to become niche in a couple of years. Remember that there are still hundreds of thousands of students and right now tablets dont satisfy their needs. Sure, there are some tablets that can hook up to keyboards but they havent taken off and as of right now I believe that the laptop will continue to be the preferred computing device among students
 
Question for business types: Why are people on Board of Directors not from Apple? Well some aren't. Jobs and Cook are but Al Gore is there, as is the CEO of J Crew and Avon.
 
Mael said:
Good luck doing any computing work on a tablet too...I can't wait to program on the screens....
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Good luck hauling all that lumber in that station wagon...

We are moving into different times, you are free to keep your desktop computer, that's up to you. Many people keep big pickup trucks as status symbols in the part of the country I live. I'll probably buy another laptop or two in my future, I like them and I've grown comfortable with them over the years. However there are more people without computers than with, they never understood the computer, and it was overkill for what they wanted to do. Smartphones can fill that role for some people. Tablets can fill the role for others. And people that have a chip on their shoulder, like you and myself, who are too cool to ever relegate our selves to a computer that can't do heavy hauling just incase some day we decide we want to write the next great program/app, we'll still have our full computers to use.

But be serious. Let's not pretend that the mom who only wants to look up recipes, read the news, video chat with her grandchildren, and do other occasional tasks is going to be hurting because she didn't go out and buy the latest and greatest desktop computer.

A station wagon sized computing device should do the trick.
 
Was this posted?

Vic Gundotra about Steve Jobs being Steve.

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Since I was 11 years old and fell in love with an Apple II, I have dozens of stories to tell about Apple products. They have been a part of my life for decades. Even when I worked for 15 years for Bill Gates at Microsoft, I had a huge admiration for Steve and what Apple had produced.
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You gotta love that Steve Jobs humor, and his attention to detail.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
Good luck hauling all that lumber in that station wagon...

We are moving into different times, you are free to keep your desktop computer, that's up to you. Many people keep big pickup trucks as status symbols in the part of the country I live. I'll probably buy another laptop or two in my future, I like them and I've grown comfortable with them over the years. However there are more people without computers than with, they never understood the computer, and it was overkill for what they wanted to do. Smartphones can fill that role for some people. Tablets can fill the role for others. And people that have a chip on their shoulder, like you and myself, who are too cool to ever relegate our selves to a computer that can't do heavy hauling just incase some day we decide we want to write the next great program/app, we'll still have our full computers to use.

But be serious. Let's not pretend that the mom who only wants to look up recipes, read the news, video chat with her grandchildren, and do other occasional tasks is going to be hurting because she didn't go out and buy the latest and greatest desktop computer.

A station wagon sized computing device should do the trick.
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Even "real" computers, as we know them, are gonna disappear into the background. Expect devices like the Mac Mini to be the new desktop form factor real soon, as computing power reaches acceptable levels in tiny parts.

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Out of 100 people that buy a "desktop" computer, probably only 5 open it up to replace a component. A full-size desktop is total overkill.

But gamers will rage against this 'til the day they die.
 
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