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Steve Jobs resigns as CEO of Apple

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People that basically take the stance of "iMacs don't do anything my linux computer can't do!" are so out of touch they will probably never be able to open up their narrow minded viewpoints long enough to understand.
 
SensualSeduction said:
Itunes ? You mean like what limewire or napster did before apple ?

The thing you are talking about in the music industry wasnt because of apple you know,it was because of piracy.

That was the actual inovator,you could download in a sec,apple just made you pay for it.
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Your perspective on this matter is WAY OFF.

Yes, Napster gave the music industry an unexpected kick in the nuts, but the music industry's response was to unleash the lawyers, not adapt.

Yes, Apple didn't have the first "mp3 store", there were a few disorganized websites that did it first, but Apple was the first to do it right. They did it in an integrated manner, and on reasonable terms. They had the majority of the labels on board, so you could get all your music in the same place. Jobs had to pull teeth in order to get the original limit of being able to put your purchased music on up to 5 authorized devices, the labels wanted it permanently tied to one single device. Later he used his pull to remove all DRM from the music. Jobs also had to battle with the credit card companies over micro-transactions, because before iTunes, making a 99¢ purchase online was unthinkable. It. Simply. Didn't. Happen.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
Wait, I must not understand English. I thought you said that they will never do PC games, then I asked if a 486 is a PC. I assume we both agree that Doom is a PC game. So now I am hella confused.

You are now saying that 'pcs' of the future will be 'pc's of now? Cause I think that's what we've been saying all along.
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no no i was referring to the idea that make all pcs, mac minis . I argued that mac mini cant pc game like a frankensteined together custom build. I think.....


and if someone can shrink down consumer level graphics into a smartphone, ill dongle that to a nice monitor + control scheme and itll all be moot. but i dont think they can, heat and battery issues will make them hit a wall.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
Limewire and napster monetized digital music distribution and gave money to content holders? Awesome. I learn something new every day.
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Im not talking about monetization or giving money to the artists,im talking about the purpose of the tool and its impact on the music indrustry,the point you where trying to make about itunes
 
SensualSeduction said:
The motherfucking tell me so i can get out from under that rock
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Let's try this from a different angle.

Could you tell us of a computer innovation? Then maybe we'll be able to find something that meets your expectations.

ZombieSupaStar: Ah, okay. There will always be custom game rig enthusiasts. But games even now are still made a bit for a more medium common denominator. So maybe there will come a point where the mini like computers will have graphics processors that are good enough that the game developer both targets it and your uber machine.
 
Yeah.. Apple is always innovating. Look at what they've done with notebook batteries over the last few years, or the flash memory in the MBAs, the push for 300dpi, or how about OS-wide multitouch gestures in OSX. shit man, they even made an MP3 player without a screen.
 
I can imagine that in ten years the average main 'computer' a person has will be a tablet (and imagine how much better they'll be by then in terms of performance, UI and functionality) that you can hook a keyboard, mouse or larger monitor to. They'll certainly be powerful enough to handle anything anybody wants to do, but there's no way people are going to abandon physical keyboards and large monitors.
 
I'm pretty shocked that more people haven't jumped ship with Jobs gone as well. It's pretty crazy how much that company is his. I honestly don't think Apple will stop being Jobs' baby until the day he dies though. Cook may be in charge of the day in day out decisions, but Jobs will still have a lot of "big picture" decisions to make as far as the Chairman role goes. That, he's going to keep.

Also, in terms of keeping the troll occupied, how's this for a computer innovation. A mouse that's affordable. Look it up, I'll wait.
 
SensualSeduction said:
Im not talking about monetization or giving money to the artists,im talking about the purpose of the tool and its impact on the music indrustry,the point you where trying to make about itunes
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...so, you're going to ignore the impact of it, to argue it made no impact. Why are you doing this to yourself? You honestly cannot be this dense, so the other option is your doing to this, what, troll? Practice your debating skills? I'm at a loss. Help me out.
 
lunarworks said:
Your perspective on this matter is WAY OFF.

Yes, Napster gave the music industry an unexpected kick in the nuts, but the music industry's response was to unleash the lawyers, not adapt.

Yes, Apple didn't have the first "mp3 store", there were a few disorganized websites that did it first, but Apple was the first to do it right. They did it in an integrated manner, and on reasonable terms. They had the majority of the labels on board, so you could get all your music in the same place. Jobs had to pull teeth in order to get the original limit of being able to put your purchased music on up to 5 authorized devices, the labels wanted it permanently tied to one single device. Later he used his pull to remove all DRM from the music. Jobs also had to battle with the credit card companies over micro-transactions, because before iTunes, making a 99¢ purchase online was unthinkable. It. Simply. Didn't. Happen.
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Look,im gonna be frank and tell you this.

I can go right now on a private torrent site that has an unthinkably (lolenglish) large music section,i can literally download all my favourite songs,albums whatever free of charge,in much better quality if i wish.

Now i know piracy is wrong yada yada,but isnt it more easy from a practical standpoint ?

All the innovations youve listed there,like DRM,99 cents transactions are bypassed altogether
 
SomeDude said:
WHen are we going to get UI and computers like we seen in minority report?
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Its doable with technology like Kinect, but think seriously about if you want to have to wave your arms constantly to use your computer. Think about how much time you would be doing it.
 
SensualSeduction said:
So their selling an image then ? "We look better than the rest",is that the inovation ?
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Ignoring all the actual Apple innovations that SS is... well ignoring, I've never understood why good design is so easily dismissed by some. Even if we're just talking athletically pleasing design.
 
SensualSeduction said:
Look,im gonna be frank and tell you this.

I can go right now on a private torrent site that has an unthinkably (lolenglish) large music section,i can literally download all my favourite songs,albums whatever free of charge,in much better quality if i wish.

Now i know piracy is wrong yada yada,but isnt it more easy from a practical standpoint ?

All the innovations youve listed there,like DRM,99 cents transactions are bypassed altogether
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So you argument is that you can steal the music.
 
v0yce said:
Ignoring all the actual Apple innovations that SS is... well ignoring, I've never understood why good design is so easily dismissed by some. Even if we're just talking athletically pleasing design.
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I don't think this is the case with Sensual but usually when I encounter people who think Apple products are worthless and design is meaningless they're of the "it can look like a brick and have a text OS if its got eight cores and can run Crysis" school.
 
SensualSeduction said:
Look,im gonna be frank and tell you this.

I can go right now on a private torrent site that has an unthinkably (lolenglish) large music section,i can literally download all my favourite songs,albums whatever free of charge,in much better quality if i wish.

Now i know piracy is wrong yada yada,but isnt it more easy from a practical standpoint ?

All the innovations youve listed there,like DRM,99 cents transactions are bypassed altogether
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Talk of pirating is NOT condoned on this forum.

Just a warning from a member to a junior.
 
SensualSeduction said:
Now i know piracy is wrong yada yada,but isnt it more easy from a practical standpoint ?
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No? What is this 1999, where you had to download Realplayer to see shitty videos?
 
SensualSeduction said:
Look,im gonna be frank and tell you this.

I can go right now on a private torrent site that has an unthinkably (lolenglish) large music section,i can literally download all my favourite songs,albums whatever free of charge,in much better quality if i wish.

Now i know piracy is wrong yada yada,but isnt it more easy from a practical standpoint ?

All the innovations youve listed there,like DRM,99 cents transactions are bypassed altogether
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You are a computer nerd that spends his life on the internet and pirates music. Many people in the world do not fit your large profile.
 
FrontalMonk said:
I'm pretty shocked that more people haven't jumped ship with Jobs gone as well. It's pretty crazy how much that company is his. I honestly don't think Apple will stop being Jobs' baby until the day he dies though. Cook may be in charge of the day in day out decisions, but Jobs will still have a lot of "big picture" decisions to make as far as the Chairman role goes. That, he's going to keep.
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People haven't jumped ship because Jobs did such a good job with staffing and internal policy that everyone important working there has a distinct role and is secure in how things are going to play out.

SensualSeduction said:
Look,im gonna be frank and tell you this.

I can go right now on a private torrent site that has an unthinkably (lolenglish) large music section,i can literally download all my favourite songs,albums whatever free of charge,in much better quality if i wish.

Now i know piracy is wrong yada yada,but isnt it more easy from a practical standpoint ?

All the innovations youve listed there,like DRM,99 cents transactions are bypassed altogether
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News flash: Some people like buying music. Otherwise, iTunes wouldn't be doing BILLIONS in sales.

Just because you can go to a private (hey, keyword, "private") torrent site and download ungodly amounts of music for free doesn't mean that everyone else can or wants to.

iTunes is convenient, they don't have to search around the internet, reliable, it downloads right away virtually every time and the sound quality is consistent, and it's relatively inexpensive. Also, there's a 0.000000001% chance of getting a virus from your iTunes download.

As I said: PERSPECTIVE.
 
SensualSeduction said:
Im just asking what apple product gave birth to new,better way of doing things,i understand they can take an ideea and improve...the design of it,but i would like to know what new tech this company has spawned that makes it so "Revolutionary".

Im really curious now,no trolling or anything
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SensualSeduction said:
And besides design "improvements" what areas have they improved,i asked about this and nobody wants to give me a clear response.

Are apple computers more productive than lets say, windows computers ? Do you do things faster,easier ?

Do you multitask better and easier on a Imac or something ?

whats the improvement in terms of productivity ?

Can a Mac server be more productive than a Linux server ?
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Ok champ whatever you say.
 
YuriLowell said:
So you argument is that you can steal the music.
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Im not stealing anything since the original is still there,and fucks sake im talking about the streamlining of the way you listen to or get your music,im not talking about whats wrong and whats not.

And another thing about music,youtube,man now thats innovation,i can listen to many a song with just a click of a button,free of charge,without legal hassle,and its not bad in the eyes of god .
 
Ryuukan said:
You are a computer nerd that spends his life on the internet and pirates music. Many people in the world do not fit your large profile.
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And i guess your the cool guy i see in the apple adverts that walks in slow motion down the street listening to his ipod ?
 
iTunes was an important proof of concept that if people can get the music they want quickly and easily from the comfort of their home, they will for a nominal fee. There's nothing wrong with dropping 10 bucks on an album. If you think that $0.99 a song is too expensive, then any price is too much, it's simply theft, and maybe you should be in jail.
 
SensualSeduction said:
Im not stealing anything since the original is still there,and fucks sake im talking about the streamlining of the way you listen to or get your music,im not talking about whats wrong and whats not.

And another thing about music,youtube,man now thats innovation,i can listen to many a song with just a click of a button,free of charge,without legal hassle,and its not bad in the eyes of god .
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Once again, just flat out ignoring the actual impact so you can claim they made no impact. You're beginning to come across as simply not very bright. Take a step back, reform your argument and come back.

...or continue to spout gibberish about stealing and YouTube - as if those are relevant to anything happening ITT. Either way.
 
SensualSeduction said:
Im not stealing anything since the original is still there,and fucks sake im talking about the streamlining of the way you listen to or get your music,im not talking about whats wrong and whats not.

And another thing about music,youtube,man now thats innovation,i can listen to many a song with just a click of a button,free of charge,without legal hassle,and its not bad in the eyes of god .
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You talked about going to a private tracker and downloading music.
Thats theft.
 
SensualSeduction said:
Im not stealing anything since the original is still there,and fucks sake im talking about the streamlining of the way you listen to or get your music,im not talking about whats wrong and whats not.

And another thing about music,youtube,man now thats innovation,i can listen to many a song with just a click of a button,free of charge,without legal hassle,and its not bad in the eyes of god .
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While I don't think pirating is stealing, I do think that the people that made the music should get some sort of compensation for entertaining you.

Please, choose another line of reasoning, because you aren't winning any sympathy with this one, and if you continue down this road I imagine your tenure here may be shorter than you expect.
 
Amazon didn't revolutionize anything because I can walk into a store and steal anything they sell on their website and it's far cheaper and more convenient.
 
SensualSeduction said:
And i guess your the cool guy i see in the apple adverts that walks in slow motion down the street listening to his ipod ?
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At the end of the ad, I laugh at someone trying to justify music piracy.
 
lunarworks said:
People haven't jumped ship because Jobs did such a good job with staffing and internal policy that everyone important working there has a distinct role and is secure in how things are going to play out.


News flash: Some people like buying music. Otherwise, iTunes wouldn't be doing BILLIONS in sales.

Just because you can go to a private (hey, keyword, "private") torrent site and download ungodly amounts of music for free doesn't mean that everyone else can or wants to.

iTunes is convenient, they don't have to search around the internet, reliable, it downloads right away virtually every time and the sound quality is consistent, and it's relatively inexpensive. Also, there's a 0.000000001% chance of getting a virus from your iTunes download.

As I said: PERSPECTIVE.
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So it does the same thing napster or the torrent sites do,but its more convenient cause you feel good because you bought it ?

And why wouldnt a passionate guy buy his favourite music in physical form,like in the old days,with vinyl or stuff like that.

Everything you just said about viruses and consistent quality is bullshit and you know it.

Itunes is nothing more than a p2p file sharing site where you pay for stuff,don't deny it
 
SensualSeduction said:
Everything you just said about viruses and consistent quality is bullshit and you know it.

Itunes is nothing more than a p2p file sharing site where you pay for stuff,don't deny it
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...up until this point I could kinda see where you were coming from, even if I disagreed.

Dude, you're nuts.
 
SensualSeduction said:
And i guess your the cool guy i see in the apple adverts that walks in slow motion down the street listening to his ipod ?
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Your world of "Apple is only a logo" is crashing in on top of you.
 
SensualSeduction said:
So it does the same thing napster or the torrent sites do,but its more convenient cause you feel good because you bought it ?

And why wouldnt a passionate guy buy his favourite music in physical form,like in the old days,with vinyl or stuff like that.

Everything you just said about viruses and consistent quality is bullshit and you know it.

Itunes is nothing more than a p2p file sharing site where you pay for stuff,don't deny it
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Frank, you need to realize people don't even know what mp3s are.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
Good luck hauling all that lumber in that station wagon...

We are moving into different times, you are free to keep your desktop computer, that's up to you. Many people keep big pickup trucks as status symbols in the part of the country I live. I'll probably buy another laptop or two in my future, I like them and I've grown comfortable with them over the years. However there are more people without computers than with, they never understood the computer, and it was overkill for what they wanted to do. Smartphones can fill that role for some people. Tablets can fill the role for others. And people that have a chip on their shoulder, like you and myself, who are too cool to ever relegate our selves to a computer that can't do heavy hauling just incase some day we decide we want to write the next great program/app, we'll still have our full computers to use.

But be serious. Let's not pretend that the mom who only wants to look up recipes, read the news, video chat with her grandchildren, and do other occasional tasks is going to be hurting because she didn't go out and buy the latest and greatest desktop computer.

A station wagon sized computing device should do the trick.
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Your company makes work in a train to produce the latest version of the project you're working on?
 
YuriLowell said:
You talked about going to a private tracker and downloading music.
Thats theft.
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No its not.

Stealing icecream from a kid is theft,downloading a copy of a song on the net isnt.

Its SHARING,thats why their calling it FILE SHARING.
 
SensualSeduction said:
Look,im gonna be frank and tell you this.

I can go right now on a private torrent site that has an unthinkably (lolenglish) large music section,i can literally download all my favourite songs,albums whatever free of charge,in much better quality if i wish.

Now i know piracy is wrong yada yada,but isnt it more easy from a practical standpoint ?

All the innovations youve listed there,like DRM,99 cents transactions are bypassed altogether
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I'm sure the millions of people who own iPhone, iPods, or use use iTunes to download music, podcasts, and TV shows know exactly what bittorrent is. You are acting like a child.
 
V_Arnold said:
..or before actually investing, one can consider the "worst case scenarios" regarding the company they are gonna be investing in. Like a product failing to get enough sales or losing its current marketshare to a new competitor. I think both of these SHOULD rank higher in "risks" in the eye of an intelligent person than anything happening to a CEO*

*note: if product lines start failing majorly, it is not only that but it would have most likely taken a CEO or two aswell. But if it is just that...why panic? Yeah.
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Jobs wasn't JUST some CEO; he was the man with vision. He was essentially the core foundation of their innovation. Sure, there were probably a lot of people working behind the scenes to make it all happen. But vision is something that you can't train someone to have; you either have it or you don't.

So, if Apple loses their key visionary, things like products failing to reach their sales targets or losing market share could possibly follow, unless if they find someone else that has the same chops (or better, dare I say) as Jobs. This is what people are unsure about. Investors just want to be sure that they're backing the right horse. Jobs has proved himself. Tim Cook hasn't yet and time will tell whether or not he does.
 
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