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Steve Jobs resigns as CEO of Apple

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SensualSeduction said:
No its not.

Stealing icecream from a kid is theft,downloading a copy of a song on the net isnt.

Its SHARING,thats why their calling it FILE SHARING.
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Naw son, I'm just sharing his ice cream. Whether he wants to or not.
 
SensualSeduction said:
No its not.

Stealing icecream from a kid is theft,downloading a copy of a song on the net isnt.

Its SHARING,thats why their calling it FILE SHARING.
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Jesus, have people really convinced themselves that this isn't stealing?! Amazing.
 
SensualSeduction said:
No its not.

Stealing icecream from a kid is theft,downloading a copy of a song on the net isnt.

Its SHARING,thats why their calling it FILE SHARING.
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Lol keep telling yourself that when the reality is you are simply to cheap or broke to pay for it. You are no different than the people who lift CDs from b&m stores, other than being a little more cowardly because you get to hide behind a computer.
 
SensualSeduction said:
No its not.

Stealing icecream from a kid is theft,downloading a copy of a song on the net isnt.

Its SHARING,thats why their calling it FILE SHARING.
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You didn't buy the song and it is an actual copy of the file(in this case a Song). It is considered theft.





Edit: How are Apple stocks after this announcement?
 
SensualSeduction said:
No its not.

Stealing icecream from a kid is theft,downloading a copy of a song on the net isnt.

Its SHARING,thats why their calling it FILE SHARING.
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Yeah, that's why I took that tv from best buy without paying, it's all sharing man.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
People that basically take the stance of "iMacs don't do anything my linux computer can't do!" are so out of touch they will probably never be able to open up their narrow minded viewpoints long enough to understand.
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To be fair, they're not out of touch. It does everything THEY need. They're wrong when they assume that the same applies to everyone else, especially the mainstream consumer. That group is much better served by Windows and OSX.
 
SensualSeduction said:
Its SHARING,thats why their calling it FILE SHARING.
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It's also called copyright infringement. Defending piracy by calling it sharing? I guess you'll be SHARING a ban with those who came before you with the same argument! :D
 
CrazyDude said:
Yeah, that's why I took that tv from best buy without paying, it's all sharing man.
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He has a point. Its the core "piracy" issue: can you call it stealing when the original isn't lost? We've had a lot of debates about it.
 
The_Technomancer said:
He has a point. Its the core "piracy" issue: can you call it stealing when the original isn't lost? We've had a lot of debates about it.
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None if which has anything to do with this thread and the obvious trolling derail that has overtaken the last two pages of this thread.
 
SensualSeduction said:
No its not.

Stealing icecream from a kid is theft,downloading a copy of a song on the net isnt.

Its SHARING,thats why their calling it FILE SHARING.
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I'd like to see you go into a record store and burn a copy of a CD in there, I suggest you explain to them that it isn't stealing.

Either way this is a stupid argument.
 
Curious to see what the next product line is. I mean, where do they go from here?
 
dark10x said:
Jesus, have people really convinced themselves that this isn't stealing?! Amazing.
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Technically it's not theft, it's copyright infringement. But I don't think Frank wants to move to the crux of that argument.
 
I've seen some people compare Jobs to Henry Ford and I thought that was way off base at first. But the more I think about it, the comparison seems apt. Of course Henry Ford practically created the middle class himself, and Jobs will never come close in terms of societal impact.

Ford didn't create the car, but he did it best and brought it to the masses. Jobs and Apple did the same thing with music players, smartphones, and tablets. Apple did none of these things first, but they did them best and made them available and desirable to the common man.
 
Copernicus said:
Technically it's not theft, it's copyright infringement. But I don't think he wants to move to the crux of that argument.
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Fair enough. I'm just surprised at how many people are so easily able to pretend as if their actions aren't illegal. If you download music, you should at least realize what you're doing even if that doesn't stop you. Pretending that you're in the free in clear, though, is just delusional.
 
my favorite innovation, whether apple did it first or not. is the fact that i can:
go on my iphone
use shazam
figure out the name and artist of a song
go into itunes ON MY FUCKING PHONE!
and buy the song.

it is amazing that 10 years ago you had to physically go to a store and buy music, where today, i literally have to swipe my thumb a few times, and i have the one song i wanted.
 
Regardless of whether or not it was off topic, he cannot understand how Apple has been influential in the last decade of tech. As far as the near future, they've got the iPhone 5 and new iPad. I imagine they will look to sell their iPhone on an additional carrier and increase marketshare like they've been doing for a while now. Steve Jobs leaving is sad news but he left at as good a time as any in my mind.
 
see5harp said:
he cannot understand how Apple has been influential in the last decade of tech.
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No, the dude was just a troll on a temp account.
 
zychi said:
my favorite innovation, whether apple did it first or not. is the fact that i can:
go on my iphone
use shazam
figure out the name and artist of a song
go into itunes ON MY FUCKING PHONE!
and buy the song.
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So far ahead of its time it wasn't even funny. Apple made it so dead drop simple, they get a lot of credit, although there are better setups now for that.
 
dark10x said:
Fair enough. I'm just surprised at how many people are so easily able to pretend as if their actions aren't illegal. If you download music, you should at least realize what you're doing even if that doesn't stop you. Pretending that you're in the free in clear, though, is just delusional.
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Pretty much.

Poor Frank got the ban hammer, shame.
 
dark10x said:
Fair enough. I'm just surprised at how many people are so easily able to pretend as if their actions aren't illegal. If you download music, you should at least realize what you're doing even if that doesn't stop you. Pretending that you're in the free in clear, though, is just delusional.
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Most people drive faster than the speed limit at some point as well. People tend to ignore stupid laws that are hard to enforce.
 
sk3 said:
Most people drive faster than the speed limit at some point as well. People tend to ignore stupid laws that are hard to enforce.
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Huh, speed limit is not a stupid law.
Actually it'd be more akin to producing counterfeit.
There's something that is stolen in copyright infrigement but it's not really tangible (as in an object)
 
Mael said:
Because problem for Apple's competitors never interest anyone...
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Because you can't see a difference between honest, rational discussion we typically see in competitor threads...and the irrational anger, vitriol and tumult that always seem to infiltrate these threads.

Come on, son. There are people posting here who hope to wake up and see the crash of Apple with bated breath. Who took pleasure in the possibility of a real stock hit (as if). It's embryonic.


Mael said:
Huh, speed limit is not a stupid law.
Actually it'd be more akin to producing counterfeit.
There's something that is stolen in copyright infrigement but it's not really tangible (as in an object)
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I agree with this post, but I do think most speed limit laws are stupid. 65 on the highway here in Miami? C'mon, people!
 
scorcho said:
actually, my point was that other stocks seem to mimic Apple's hour-to-hour performance on Wednesday, as do the major indicies. granted, i don't have an MBA and haven't studied the stock market to any extensive degree, but i'd assume that Apples performance on the day doesn't seemed timed to Apple-specific news and just followed the ebbs and flows of the market as a whole.
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Okay - sorry for the delay. I crashed when I got home.

Apple has a pretty close beta to the market, but it is higher so on average as the market moves positive Apple will move positive. As the market moves positive AAPL on average will move more strongly positive. As the market moves negative, AAPL will on average move more strongly negative. A stock with a beta of 1 would move pretty much the same as the index. Beta is a measure of a stocks movement with the market. Apple is larger than one so on average if the market moves 1% positive, AAPL should be somewhere higher than 1%.

The next thing you look at is trading volume and outliers in trading volume. Stocks trade within a normal range unless there is some massive news item that makes a lot of people move stock. When you see a spike - 'something' happened. Generally you look to the puts and calls to see what's happening. That's all part of the options chain - a topic that is fairly complex to explain via the forum (http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/o...L&selected=AAPL&qm_page=82188&qm_symbol=AAPL). If you want to get a pulse on the investment sentiment, this is where you get it.

Since the vast majority of investors are institutional for AAPL, they will not have large volumes of buys and sells. CEOs like institutional investors because they remove a lot of the volatility of the stock. They are generally more mature when it comes to ingesting market events. Stocks of this caliber generally move with the market trend and price in news using their own analysis long before news items come out. These are the guys who would have already 'priced in' the fact that Jobs would be leaving. The variance are non-institutional traders who are more impacted by news as it happens. These are folks that camp fool.com/seekingalpha.com/or the twitter finance feed for stocks. There is generally more emotional trading by this class of investors and you will see news 'spikes' where they are involved.

If you take a look at AAPL today you will see that after the initial panic sell spike, the buyers and bargain hunters came in and have brought the stock pretty much back to it trading region for the Sprint announcement - and the day isn't over yet.

Its just the way of things.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
Because you can't see a difference between honest, rational discussion we typically see in competitor threads...and the irrational anger, vitriol and tumult that always seem to infiltrate these threads.

Come on, son. There are people posting here who hope to wake up and see the crash of Apple with bated breath. Who took pleasure in the possibility of a real stock hit (as if). It's embryonic.
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I wouldn't be so quick to judge, I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt here ;)
 
Mael said:
I wouldn't be so quick to judge, I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt here ;)
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Same.

But my judgements aren't based on a single thread of material. We've got lots of long threads here over the years that offer some common, consistent themes from some people on either side (or in the middle) of the drama and ridiculousness. :3

But it's all good. You kinda get used to it. It's nowhere near as bad here as it is on dedicated computing websites like notebookreview.com. It's like a collection of 4th graders.
 
That's a shame he's stepping down for health reasons. I hope he's not as bad off as all of us are afraid of and even though he isn't CEO of Apple anymore he's not suffering from his condition. I hope his cancer isn't coming back or as bad as or worse than it has been in the past. :(
 
Dreams-Visions said:
Same.

But my judgements aren't based on a single thread of material. We've got lots of long threads here over the years that offer some common, consistent themes from some people on either side (or in the middle) of the drama and ridiculousness. :3

But it's all good. You kinda get used to it. It's nowhere near as bad here as it is on dedicated computing websites like notebookreview.com. It's like a collection of 4th graders.
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I was on GFaqs I know what you mean...

Dreams-Visions said:
I agree with this post, but I do think most speed limit laws are stupid. 65 on the highway here in Miami? C'mon, people!
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Good point, 64 is a little low then again they probably did it for a reason (IDK really)
 
GodDuckman said:
Dude, honestly, the "I'm cooler because I have an iPhone" is kind of becoming a worse malady.
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Can't say I agree. Android OS is like a weird, counter culture trend to me. Sure, they got notifications down perfect, but thats about it in my eyes.
 
Jtwo said:
Stop thinking about things that way.
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Well there are certainly people that use it specifically for that point. But I'd say it fails from a similar fallacy as the "Everyone that owns an iPhone is part of the Apple Cult and will buy anything Jobs commands them". Neither properly explain the phenomena accurately and are just stupid little ways to jab at the other side.
 
YuriLowell said:
Business OS.
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SensualSeduction said:
Everything you just said about viruses and consistent quality is bullshit and you know it.
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Whatever you say.

a) I've made plenty of good money over the years cleaning computers that got horrible infections from "LimeWire". I will state that as an absolute, undeniable FACT.

b) I'll admit that I've unethically downloaded music (it's not "illegal" in Canada, but that's a whole other complex can of worms), and I will say that the quality of music you download that way (aside from your "private trackers") is highly inconsistent. Lousy encodes, incomplete files, etc.
 
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