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Steve Jobs resigns as CEO of Apple

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Jtwo said:
Stop thinking about things that way.
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Why? Because I am referring to an OS as a trend rather than a product?

I'm sorry, but Android never really wow'd me when I had a phone running it. Its a great alternative to iOS, but not a replacement. So yes, I see it as a phase, or trend people are going through.
 
Sean2 said:
Why? Because I am referring to an OS as a trend rather than a product?

I'm sorry, but Android never really wow'd me when I had a phone running it. Its a great alternative to iOS, but not a replacement. So yes, I see it as a phase, or trend people are going through.
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This is stupid, I own a large amount of Apple products and I love my iPhone, yet even I can see that Android is a very good mobile OS. Android is no more of a trend or phase than iOS is.
 
LyleLanley said:
This is stupid, I own a large amount of Apple products and I love my iPhone, yet even I can see that Android is a very good mobile OS. Android is no more of a trend or phase than iOS is.
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That's just it. It is a good mobile OS. But not a great one. I develop for both and I always have to work harder/hack to get performance out of Android devices. Even more powerful ones. I have a MacBook Pro and a Dell. The Dell is nice, but it's no MBP.
 
Ok, the "modern" smartphone OS has just barely been around for 5 years. Things are just barely getting started.
 
Sean2 said:
Why? Because I am referring to an OS as a trend rather than a product?

I'm sorry, but Android never really wow'd me when I had a phone running it. Its a great alternative to iOS, but not a replacement. So yes, I see it as a phase, or trend people are going through.
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The fuck? So you actually think everyone not using iOS products is simply deluded and will eventually come to their senses and come into the sweet iOS fold?
 
Earl Cazone said:
windows phone 7 > iOS > android
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Don't you mean:

ndows phone 7 > iOS > andr
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=P Just bustin chops. It's got some pretty clever design elements, and if MS keeps with it they could actually have a compelling product.

Edit: Instead of going down the often beat "my preferred OS is better than your OS" path, let's talk a bit about some interesting new things Tim can bring about now as the CEO. I don't think he will rock the boat much, but I think he could have some innovative new ideas about future designs, and extending product lines.
 
Angst said:
The fuck? So you actually think everyone not using iOS products is simply deluded and will eventually come to their senses and come into the sweet iOS fold?
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If you personally find Android to be better than iOS, fine. Thats just your opinion.

*edit* this second part I had only would induce more argument, which is stupid so I am sorry.
 
Sean2 said:
If you personally find Android to be better than iOS, fine. Thats just your opinion.

Tell me why exactly, you feel Android is better than iOS. I would really like to know.
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You personally feeling like Android is not as good of an operating system as iOS is a completely different discussion than you personally thinking Android is just a passing trend trading solely on people's willingness to buck trends and go against the grain.

I don't think anyone here is going to try and argue you out of the former, but you better have some BOSS fucking arguments prepared for the latter.
 
badcrumble said:
can't say i'm surprised that this thread has turned into mobile phone OS flamewars, but it's sort of disappointing
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Maybe that's why he quit. Maybe he is fed up with being in anyway related to retarded internet arguments.
 
badcrumble said:
can't say i'm surprised that this thread has turned into mobile phone OS flamewars, but it's sort of disappointing
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I made a comment, people did not agree with it. They did not have to reply to me with anger.
 
NinjaFridge said:
Maybe that's why he quit. Maybe he is fed up with being in anyway related to retarded internet arguments.
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Speaking of Apple people resigning, RubxQub will be back in just under a week. Talk about bad timing, dude, if only he had asked for a 51 week ban instead of a one year ban!
 
Sean2 said:
If you personally find Android to be better than iOS, fine. Thats just your opinion.

Tell me why exactly, you feel Android is better than iOS. I would really like to know.
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You didn't answer my question and me rambling on about why I prefer Android to iOS isn't going to help anything. As in, you won't change your mind and I won't change mine. :) I think Steve Jobs has done lots of good things and I don't want to shit this thread up anymore (if that's even possible with regards to the limewire shit on last page...)

Start a "iOS vs Android vs Windows 7 (WebOS can't play anymore)" thread (a la GT5 vs Forza thread on the gaming side) and I'll happily post my thoughts.
*edit* I see you stealth edited your posts, so we'll just drop this.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Speaking of Apple people resigning, RubxQub will be back in just under a week. Talk about bad timing, dude, if only he had asked for a 51 week ban instead of a one year ban!
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We can ask for bans?! I've never gotten one, but interested to see what one
DAY!!!!
looked like.
 
Something that kinda tripped me out watching that video is that WiFi hasn't always existed. I had forgotten. I got my start on 56k so I definitely remember the internet pre-broadband.. but even a bigger revolution was WiFi. Reading about how the first candy iBooks had a slot for an antenna in the back of the display.. that you had to buy EXTRA. It was crazy man.
 
I think Tim's first major innovation will be the Everyone/contract free iPhone. The guy may not have the exact same clairvoyance Jobs appeared to have at driving the direction of technology, but he's a numbers/market genius. If anyone could figure out how to make a contract free 'cheap' iPhone to expand the product line, it's this guy. He knows how to save money.
 
Now what I am wondering the most is if Steve was behind the lack of Blu Ray support. If that takes a turn for the positive after this whole ordeal, I will be very happy.

In fact...does anyone know who suggested they don't support Blu Ray? I have a hard time believing that was a unanimous agreement haha.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
I think Tim's first major innovation will be the Everyone/contract free iPhone. The guy may not have the exact same clairvoyance Jobs appeared to have at driving the direction of technology, but he's a numbers/market genius. If anyone could figure out how to make a contract free 'cheap' iPhone to expand the product line, it's this guy. He knows how to save money.
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Is it possible to get contract free phones in the US? I thought you guys didn't have replaceable SIM cards? Or perhaps you mean phones where you don't have to commit for a certain contract period, but being able to switch carriers by inserting a new SIM?
 
Angst said:
Is it possible to get contract free phones in the US? I though you guys didn't have replaceable SIM cards? Or perhaps you mean phones where you don't have to commit for a certain contract period, but being able to switch carriers by inserting a new SIM?
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Yeah, there are lots of smaller carriers that are contract free. We also totally have SIM cards too, just not on Verizon or Sprint.
 
Sean2 said:
Now what I am wondering the most is if Steve was behind the lack of Blu Ray support. If that takes a turn for the positive after this whole ordeal, I will be very happy.

In fact...does anyone know who suggested they don't support Blu Ray? I have a hard time believing that was a unanimous agreement haha.
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I believe that it is because they see optical media as a technological dead end, and rather than go to another iteration of the technology and stringing it along a few more years, they decided to invest and encourage people to adopt digital distribution methods.

I feel it was maybe not unanimous, but certainly not Jobs being a despot, he probably made a case for not including it, like he often does, sold the idea to his employees, and they likely agreed.
 
Yeah, its kind of amazing how quickly the BluRay thing kinda took off and then went seemingly stagnant. I remember being completely and utterly stressed out by the idea of my next computer not being able to play BRDs. Now, yesterday I just had a friend offer me a free BRD player (or close to free) and I turned him down, lol. The quality is noticeably better than streaming options, but come on its totally not worth the hassle.

It was a good call, IMO.
 
Jtwo said:
Yeah, its kind of amazing how quickly the BluRay thing kinda took off and then went seemingly stagnant. I remember being completely and utterly stressed out by the idea of my next computer not being able to play BRDs. Now, yesterday I just had a friend offer me a free BRD player (or close to free) and I turned him down, lol. The quality is noticeably better than streaming options, but come on its totally not worth the hassle.

It was a good call, IMO.
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That's because people don't want to give up their inferior DVD's for some reason. DVD had a MUCH easier time replacing VHS
 
DVDs were 100x better than VHS though. BRD is only like 2.5x better than DVDs. I did the labwork, those stats are accurate.
 
just once let's not project our negativity onto each other by arguing about what's better.

when i was a kid, my parents got Newsweek magazine. yeah, a magazine! delivered to our house! pretty crazy, right? anyway, occasionally Apple would stuck these little booklet ads onto the flimsy paper pages of the dinosaur content delivery system that was the printed magazine. the kind of thing that was attached with those gooey strips of adhesive that were so satisfyingly resistant to being pulled off the page.

our family had a computer in the house.. i guess back then it must have been running Windows 95. no internet just yet, i'm not even sure i knew what it was.. Encarta '97, Chip's Challenge, Print Shop: this was pretty much the epitome of everything i assumed a computer would ever be used for.

so one day while i was flipping through a Newsweek i was treated to one of these Apple ads. they were always so clean and direct, no gimmicky design or hokey edginess. reading one of these gave you the same feeling reading a really great instruction manual does. it told me what it did, why it did it, and how easy it was to utilize it for anything i needed to do. the iMac pamphlet is an especially vivid memory.

i don't really know where i'm going with this, but when it was time for me to buy a computer and go off to college, i bought an iMac. I got an iPod to go along with it. and they were completely and utterly delightful. fun! the unified approach of hardware and software gave me a feeling i never had with a big grey windows box. from the moment you turned these machines on, you realized that they were designed with the idea of simplicity and usability paramount. without that kind of unification between what people expected computers to do and feeling like they were using a machine that was designed to deliver all of those expectations.. well we probably wouldn't have a lot of the current technology that we do today, apple or not. it certainly wouldn't be the same.

and i think that's what was at the core of Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple. or at least what i perceived it to be. he innovated without alienating, he simplified without sacrificing, and he succeeded by familiarizing. it's been pretty inspiring to watch it all happen, to be honest.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
That's because people don't want to give up their inferior DVD's for some reason. DVD had a MUCH easier time replacing VHS
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Reduced return. VHS -> DVD made sense, DVD -> BD may be good, but it's not worth the effort. People like DVD -> Streaming because of instant gratification, this will be the similar jump. The DVD -> BD jump is much like the VHS -> VCD, just didn't offer enough.
 
Jtwo said:
DVDs were 100x better than VHS though. BRD is only like 2.5x better than DVDs. I did the labwork, those stats are accurate.
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2.5x? Um....please insert Avatar DVD and then play the Blu-Ray and try and tell me the difference isn't tenfold.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
I think Tim's first major innovation will be the Everyone/contract free iPhone. The guy may not have the exact same clairvoyance Jobs appeared to have at driving the direction of technology, but he's a numbers/market genius. If anyone could figure out how to make a contract free 'cheap' iPhone to expand the product line, it's this guy. He knows how to save money.
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I'd say this is a pretty good guess as to his most obvious impact as the new CEO. an even greater focus on supply chain and supplier relationships to allow for these new products at lower price points in their iOS line.

I have a feeling that making any long term guesses now as to future product lines is going to be kinda useless at this point. I'd like to see how tablet market shakes out in the next 24 months (and iCloud, on Apple's side) and see if there is some obvious hole to fill with a new product or service.
 
Sean2 said:
Now what I am wondering the most is if Steve was behind the lack of Blu Ray support. If that takes a turn for the positive after this whole ordeal, I will be very happy.

In fact...does anyone know who suggested they don't support Blu Ray? I have a hard time believing that was a unanimous agreement haha.
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No. They've been on course to remove optical drives for years now. That's not going to change, nor should it. They have every piece in place to kill them altogether.
 
Thread is rather long so I figure I'll just ask...

Is Steve resigning because of health issues? Seems like the obvious reason but I wasn't sure if he openly expressed it.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
2.5x? Um....please insert Avatar DVD and then play the Blu-Ray and try and tell me the difference isn't tenfold.
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Well look at it this way, BRD offers a full 250x increase over VHS.
 
Personally, my fav Apple innovation was the wheel.

On the iPod that is. I'm assuming they have that shit patented as I don't see it on any other mp3 player and it's pure genius for easy browsing of a large library of songs/files.
 
I am all for instant streaming/ downloading rather than using a physical disc, but when shows like Dexter or Breaking Bad aren''t even available to legally purchase digitally, or stream, the whole idea is a no go for me.

I can't see myself illegally downloading torrents, praying the quality is at the least bearable haha :/
 
scosher said:
Personally, my fav Apple innovation was the wheel.

On the iPod that is. I'm assuming they have that shit patented as I don't see it on any other mp3 player and it's pure genius for easy browsing of a large library of songs/files.
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I would love a wafer thin flash based ipod classic with a really new and modern looking wheel.
I mean, it would never happen since it couldn't run apps but I would really love that. There is a certain simplicity to having a dedicated music device that has been lost.
 
Sean2 said:
I am all for instant streaming/ downloading rather than using a physical disc, but when shows like Dexter or Breaking Bad aren''t even available to legally purchase digitally, or stream, the whole idea is a no go for me.

I can't see myself illegally downloading torrents, praying the quality is at the least bearable haha :/
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It will be painful for a bit. iTunes didn't start with every artist right out the gate, but now pretty much everyone releases there, and many release there and forgo CDs all together.

Jtwo: 20th year anniversary iPod Classic, 1TB flash, November 2021
 
Jtwo said:
I would love a wafer thin flash based ipod classic with a really new and modern looking wheel.
I mean, it would never happen since it couldn't run apps but I would really love that. There is a certain simplicity to having a dedicated music device that has been lost.
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What about the nano then?
 
scosher said:
Personally, my fav Apple innovation was the wheel.

On the iPod that is. I'm assuming they have that shit patented as I don't see it on any other mp3 player and it's pure genius for easy browsing of a large library of songs/files.
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The wheel was Phil Shiller's contribution to the iPod.

There's a great book by Steven Levy about the iPod called "The Perfect Thing". I would recommend it to anyone interested in how all that came about.
 
Sean2 said:
I am all for instant streaming/ downloading rather than using a physical disc, but when shows like Dexter or Breaking Bad aren''t even available to legally purchase digitally, or stream, the whole idea is a no go for me.

I can't see myself illegally downloading torrents, praying the quality is at the least bearable haha :/
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It's not illegal, it's sharing!!
 
This is a very cool video. Gates and Jobs discussing Mac and Windows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSt5jxQc5eg&feature=related
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
It will be painful for a bit. iTunes didn't start with every artist right out the gate, but now pretty much everyone releases there, and many release there and forgo CDs all together.
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I was using a combination of Blockbusters download service for movies, and the Netflix service for Dexter/Weeds. It was all completely perfect, until the last few weeks where Showtime had to show the world its true colors.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
2.5x? Um....please insert Avatar DVD and then play the Blu-Ray and try and tell me the difference isn't tenfold.
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My parents did try playing the blu-ray of Avatar a year ago or so. Unfortunately it has some bullcrap copy protection on it that won't let it play on their Blu-ray player to this day, even with a firmware update.

Hoo-ray for screwing over consumers!
 
Jtwo said:
Gunmetal!
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Complete re-re-remastered collection of The Beatles and U2. $1000, limited edition.
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