VindicatorZ
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I just really want Ice Climbers back. The roster feels incomplete without one of it's best and most unique characters.
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Still upset about the Smash Fighter Ballot
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That's an awful idea. Either you have a committee of players full of guys saying "lol Goku" or you have a committee of Nintendo higher-ups saying "no, we need more characters to advertise our new games".
Astral/H3X
Member
There is nothing wrong with this. There are far too many game by commitees out there.
twothunder
Member
Yeah. If we can have girl ,boy and squid form of inkling as Amiibo.
It's strange they never bothered with Female Robin etc.
Corrin didn't get in by votes or popularity. He was just picked by the devs as a "recent game" character. At least. That's what they said.
I'm happy that Corrin got in since it was probably his/her only chance.
By the time the next full-fledged Smash Bros drops we'll probably have another fire emblem game, and thus another character that would get in over corrin. And who knows, that one might be another generic swordsman again instead of a awesome half-dragon
By the time the next full-fledged Smash Bros drops we'll probably have another fire emblem game, and thus another character that would get in over corrin. And who knows, that one might be another generic swordsman again instead of a awesome half-dragon
Hades got more than THAT.
Geminosity
Member
It helps that Amelia has a similar haircut to male Corrin
Real talk, a fourth KI character would have resulted in even more salt than Corrin.
That, and in that case it should be Viridi anyway.
Sure, but he's also cut clearly from the "stoic lord-with-a-sword" cloth as Marth and Ike and Roy and even Lucina to an extent. My criticisms are less mechanical (he's clearly the odd man out of that lineup moveset-wise) and more aesthetic and conceptual - where, say, Zelda limits itself to two "green-clad swordsman" types, due to only having one consistent protagonist in the series, Fire Emblem has lots of different variations on the same theme.
Also, I think dragons are super lame, and manakete-type units even more so. So,the gimmick setting Corrin apart actually makes him less interesting for me. But that's 100% subjective there.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I never really considered that as an option before.
FE has 6 chars, KI only has 3.
Yeah, but compare their series' history and legacy. Plus all the cries of Sakurai bias would be even worse than they are with his presumed FE favoritism. Dark Pit is the most contested inclusion in the base game.
Geminosity
Member
I guess they just sometimes decide they don't want money
If they added Viridi, it'd be the first character added that I've actually wanted so far :3
NinjaCoachZ
Member
If we only got games designed by committee then games wouldn't be exciting.
There is no case for why it should be Viridi. She has way less moveset potential, and Hades is way different from Pit and Palutena than Viridi would be. Also, Viridi is already a character that shows up in the background of a 3DS stage, and unlike TL, her role can't be swapped out easily.
Beren the Empty-Handed
Member
All I know is that the people who really wanted Roy back better not be the same people who are upset about Corrin, because that would be hilariously sad.
Not that the people upset about Corrin make any sense to me anyways. If you want to get mad about the number of Fire Emblem reps, get mad at Roy. He's the uninspired Marth knockoff, not Corrin.
Not that the people upset about Corrin make any sense to me anyways. If you want to get mad about the number of Fire Emblem reps, get mad at Roy. He's the uninspired Marth knockoff, not Corrin.
nckillthegrimace
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Implementing a handful of new characters into an NX port seems like a pretty good test for a potential new Smash Bros. director. Unless Sakurai wants to make endless Smash games forever...
Geminosity
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I hate it when people say this kind of stuff just because they have another horse in the race rather than actually fielding a legitimate reason. She's the goddess of nature, I REALLY don't think she's going to struggle for a moveset. That's as vapid a claim as me trying to say Hades has no real moveset potential: it's silly and it's not true
Green Mamba
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They were both poor character choices.
Um, couldn't you just replace the 2D image and low quality voice clip with another character if they really wanted to go that way? Or just cut it out entirely when she's in play. That's not something that would seriously be limiting a character's inclusion if she were seriously being considered.
At least Roy has vet status.
Problem is Azura's not that popular. If they really wanted to add a Fates/If character that was really popular and not a lord/sword user, Takumi would have been it.
Geminosity
Member
Actually, she's ironically the same placing in the female poll as male Corrin is in the boys one
Hades is less "typical anime"
akidnamededdy
Banned
Roy's more varied from Marth than Lucina is, but nobody really complains about her because she's everyone's favorite waifu with nice boots or whatever.
And everyone saying Viridi should get in over Hades is just wrong. I need more Hades in my life. Viridi can buzz off.
And everyone saying Viridi should get in over Hades is just wrong. I need more Hades in my life. Viridi can buzz off.
balladofwindfishes
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You take issue with Corrin but think Roy is fine?
I'm a weird sort. I think the roster of new comers is fine, and would have preferred they used DLC to bring back all the vets they could.
Actually, she's ironically the same placing in the female poll as male Corrin is in the boys one
Not really that ironic its fangirls fighting over their favorite 'husbando'. Takumi and Leo are usually 1 and 2 in these polls.
Viridi's the best KI character in Smash, really. The true starlet of the Palutena Guidances.
Oh come on, she's a goddess. Can always handwave that stage appearance as being a projection of her, because goddess.
Moveset potential shouldn't be an argument nowadays, it's all in how it's implemented. If the likes of Wii Fit Trainer, Villager and Duck Hunt can enter the fray, so can anyone else. Besides, Dark Pit actually had the potential to be entirely unique, but he was added as a bonus clone character instead.
At any rate I'm staying away from my point, which is, yeah, I personally wouldn't have minded (if it was Viridi I'd have been ecstatic, love that gal), but I can guarantee people would have hated the notion of a 4th KI character more than they would a 6th FE one. It wouldn't have helped that KI is already one of the most represented franchises in Smash via the songs, stages, trophies and items; easily top 5 at least.
Green Mamba
Member
I think a large part of the annoyance at Corrin comes from him being the second Fire Emblem DLC character on top of the fact that he's number six. A fourth Kid Icarus character would have gotten shit but without a Roy equivalent I don't think it would have been worse.
Consider me part of the K Rool defense force cause im getting so tired of this shit. If they were gonna put a DK villain in smash it wouldnt be Tiki Tong or Lord Fredrik.
They even went through the effort of using Rare's old design for the K Rool mii outfit. So to say K Rool is so unimportant to the point of making him seem inferior to other villains is baffling. What if someone wanted Wart or Tatanga in Smash? Would we still be making fun of them or are we just doing it cause Rare designed K Rool?
Linkstrikesback
Member
I'm sure he doesn't get to make the decisions completely alone. He sure as heck shouldn't be asking the playerbase to be that "committee" for smash characters ever at any rate. Look at how much shit people are giving him for a character that was highly requested in a ballot specifically for that purpose.
BumblebeeCody
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Pretty sure Goku had a good chance. Sad face. Back to Project M mods.
Geminosity
Member
Nobody complains about Lucina? You've clearly not peeked outside of Neogaf enough
At least you're more honest about Hades vs Viridi. I can get behind someone saying "I prefer character X over Y" instead of making up totally false reasons.
Definitely! It helps they got her voice actress though. She's also got one of the better crafted Mii Outfits too, the hair makes the job they did on Palutena's looks lazy as all heck.
Linkstrikesback
Member
I hate it when people say this kind of stuff just because they have another horse in the race rather than actually fielding a legitimate reason. She's the goddess of nature, I REALLY don't think she's going to struggle for a moveset. That's as vapid a claim as me trying to say Hades has no real moveset potential: it's silly and it's not true
It's true though. Viridi doesn't actually show up in person in the game very much. Her model only actually shows up twice in the game, once in the background of the stage where she drops the reset bomb, and in the hearts donation thing.
Any moveset for her has to either be taken from other characters or completely made up. VS the other 2 potential characters, Hades and Magnus, who have way more action segments in the game that could have been adapted in to smash moves, being a boss fight and fighting partner(+boss) respectively.
I never liked the idea of Crash in a Smash Bros. game. Yes, he had a few games on the Nintendo systems but he's more associated with PlayStation if anything. I hope those tumors of a PSASBR sequel are true though.
I thought Shantae would've been a good choice, exploiting her popularity and such.
TheDinoman
Member
Yeah, the K. Rool bashing around these parts is really uncalled for.
The problem with Rool isn't that "he's a ugly googily eyed Rare character ugh!", but mainly the fact that he hasn't been an important character in the main DK series (i.e not counting all those minor PAON spinoffs) since DK64 in 1999. Had he been in DKCR and TF, I think he would of been in no problem.
So were these guys.
The problem with Rool isn't that "he's a ugly googily eyed Rare character ugh!", but mainly the fact that he hasn't been an important character in the main DK series (i.e not counting all those minor PAON spinoffs) since DK64 in 1999. Had he been in DKCR and TF, I think he would of been in no problem.
So were these guys.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I don't know. Are we just talking a few people stating "I'd like to see Wart!" here and there, or a sustained campaign to make it seem like Sakurai should be ashamed of his words and deeds for disrespecting Wart and his legions of fans by not including him in Smash?
Bingo.
I haven't seen K. Rool supporters showing up lately if it isn't to call out the bashers. I don't know, seems rather petty when the main supporter, Gonzo, has been (perma?)banned for months now.
Beren the Empty-Handed
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In your opinion. I'm going to enjoy playing a chainsaw wielding weredragon. Pretending they're equally poor selections is absurd.
It's hilarious - instead of looking at it like "And we're throwing this extra thing in just because, hope you like it!" people are seeing it like these character choices are the be-all end-all validation of personal preferences. People built up some pre-conceived notion of what "should be" based on only their feelings, or even more bizarrely some people took their pipe dreams and convinced themselves that they had a fair shot at happening, and then when their precious hopes and wishes were dashed they got angry. Even though nothing was promised in the first place, nothing was forced on them, and all of it was meant to be fun extras. But no, people had really strong feelings about it, and they really wanted it, and it made so much sense to them, so that when it didn't pan out that way they felt like their feelings were specifically disregarded. And now they're whining about it because this fun extra thing wasn't the fun extra thing they had in mind. It's classic cry-baby.
Maybe they're not as upset as these abundantly large amount of posts make them out to be. But it sure reads that way.
Dark Ninja
Member
There's already a DK villain in Smash Bros its Mario.
Im honestly gonna stick to my guns and say everyone here just hates K Rool cause of his design. Plenty of characters like Ridley have rabid fanbases, thats not a problem exclusive to K Rool.
Geminosity
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by your own description it's not true then. A character with only the description 'goddess of nature' is a playground of potential versus characters with already set moves. This is why the 'limited moveset' arguement is fatally flawed from the start and why anyone using it seems dishonest to me. If you like character X over Y just say that, don't make up paper thin logic for why your choice is the 'correct' or 'more correct' one
Beren the Empty-Handed
Member
Totally. We did this one thing this one time, so it's automatically better than something new.
That definitely makes sense.