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Stringer "Ps3 Euro launch April" - SCEE says "March", reiterates 6M by end of March
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clearacell
Member
Oh god...it's hilarious that they're "thanking" Europe for the trouble of delaying their console to allocate units to other countries by raising the price...and then delay it again.
As we get closer to the date, does anyone actually think they'll push it to May?
As we get closer to the date, does anyone actually think they'll push it to May?
Goldrusher
Member
tiong_fi said:
Almost there, now subtract the 22% sales tax / value added tax in your country. :lol
Giganticus
Member
Wait, they raised the price again and delayed it a month more?
Thanks Sony, nice to know you still care about Sonyland
EDIT: for the UK at least, the £450 or so price would include tax.
Thanks Sony, nice to know you still care about Sonyland
EDIT: for the UK at least, the £450 or so price would include tax.
Beer Monkey
Member
Giganticus said:Wait, they raised the price again and delayed it a month more?
Thanks Sony, nice to know you still care about Sonyland
Why do they need to care about SonyLand? The rabid european fanbase is loyal to a fault.
Giganticus said:Wait, they raised the price again and delayed it a month more?
Thanks Sony, nice to know you still care about Sonyland
EDIT: for the UK at least, the £450 or so price would include tax.
Where are you getting GB£450 from?
The 630 Irish price is 'normal' given a european price of 599, since goods here are subject to further taxes which companies unfortunately pass on to the consumer. Wii, 360 et al all cost more here than they do in other parts of Europe.
Over half a million PS3 consoles sitting on shelves in the US and the same, more than likely more in Japan and Europe gets it in the ass. Not to mention the price is some place is almost $200 usd more than the $599 version? Who are they planning on selling these things to? Kings and Queens maybe, but not your local piss poor peasant.
Man I almost feel bad for the Euros.
Man I almost feel bad for the Euros.
Robinspain
Member
Sony Spain (ps3 has been presented to the press this week): the console is going to launch next March.
Sony confirmed the higher price is only for Ireland:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=22286
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=22286
Giganticus
Member
I always overprice when talking to customers or friends, that way they are pleasently surprised rather than extremely angry at forking out extra cash.
Also the PSP is currently 199 Euros, about £131, but is £150 in the UK. Therefore there is some markup for the UK, which I expect with the PS3 aswell.
(prices from here, here and here)
Also the PSP is currently 199 Euros, about £131, but is £150 in the UK. Therefore there is some markup for the UK, which I expect with the PS3 aswell.
(prices from here, here and here)
Conrad Link
Member
Screw you Sony.
plagiarize
Banned
who is this comparison for?Goldrusher said:
surely a much more useful one would be one that included tax using an average sales tax value for america (6.8% apparently).
WOW.. HDDVD has sold a shitton more movies and standalone players than Blu Ray, but every PS3 came with a free Blu Ray movie, so Blu Ray wins!
Considering the 360 add on sold over 100K units alone and each one of those came with a King Kong disc, his 60K number is completely wrong even if no one bought a single HDDVD disk all year.. and with over 5x as many standalone players on the market as Blu Ray(not counting the 360 add on) I find that hard to believe.
Its amazing the amount of FUD that Sony is spreading to convince people that a format war that they are currently losing is allready won.
Note: I am not saying that Blu Ray sucks or will fail as a format, but the fact stands that HDDVD is outselling Blu Ray in both software and standalone hardware. Im sure alot of PS3's (especially early adopters who are likely to have HDTV's) are being used as Blu Rays, but its not measurable, and I doubt its 90%.
Considering the 360 add on sold over 100K units alone and each one of those came with a King Kong disc, his 60K number is completely wrong even if no one bought a single HDDVD disk all year.. and with over 5x as many standalone players on the market as Blu Ray(not counting the 360 add on) I find that hard to believe.
Its amazing the amount of FUD that Sony is spreading to convince people that a format war that they are currently losing is allready won.
Note: I am not saying that Blu Ray sucks or will fail as a format, but the fact stands that HDDVD is outselling Blu Ray in both software and standalone hardware. Im sure alot of PS3's (especially early adopters who are likely to have HDTV's) are being used as Blu Rays, but its not measurable, and I doubt its 90%.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
ram said:
People are not going to believe you here at GAF. But please post that samething again. Post it 4 times as a matter a fact.
And who do you work for? What company?
BenjaminBirdie
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StoOgE said:
Which is why it was so brilliant of them to put it in the console. Now they can say they have X amount of players on the market, whether people use them for Blu-Ray or not. In the PR numbers game, they bought themselves a golden ticket.
krypt0nian
Banned
gth said:
You do know that the Amazon charts are meaningless right?
Patrick Bateman
Member
Sony should skip the PS3 in Europe and launch the PS4..
plagiarize
Banned
i'd say both are staying steady and even at the moment. i don't see how else you can read this graphOnix said:
i was going to post which format was which, but i don't think it even matters.
Plus, looking at current sales ignores the huge lead that HDDVD had until the PS3's launch, and neither is showing "sales momentum"..
Im just saying its amazing how people treat a format war as "all but over" in favor of the platform with less hardware on the market and less software sold.
Im just saying its amazing how people treat a format war as "all but over" in favor of the platform with less hardware on the market and less software sold.
plagiarize
Banned
over the last thirty days it's been back and forth on these silly amazon graphs. blu-ray caught up, but i don't see any 'momentum' over the last month to suggest it suddenly carrying sales beyond hd-dvd levels and never looking back.Bad_Boy said:
i'd say it looks like sales of both are topping out. or in other words, that the people willing to buy these players and films at their current prices is fairly saturated for purchases of both.
Goldrusher
Member
plagiarize said:
Comparison of worldwide prices, in USD, including taxes.
727.62 / 909.53 -> Mexico
710.00 / 838.96 -> Finland & Ireland
000.00 / 828.58 -> UK *
647.86 / 780.56 -> Australia
644.00 / 773.13 -> EU (- Finland & Ireland) + Switzerland
539.99 / 647.99 -> USA (8%)
537.54 / 645.25 -> Canada (15%)
534.99 / 641.99 -> USA (7%)
529.99 / 635.99 -> USA (6%)
524.99 / 629.99 -> USA (5%)
519.99 / 598.95 -> USA (4%)
514.99 / 617.99 -> USA (3%)
514.17 / 617.20 -> Canada (10%)
509.99 / 611.99 -> USA (2%)
504.99 / 605.99 -> USA (1%)
504.82 / 605.98 -> Canada (8%)
500.15 / 600.37 -> Canada (7%)
499.99 / 599.99 -> USA (0%)
480.59 / 576.83 -> Taiwan
435.58 / 522.73 -> Japan
407.76 / 484.69 -> Hong Kong
* no 20GB price known
DarkJediKnight
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StoOgE said:
No one is counting anyone out. However, considering that around September, HD DVD had a 10:1 sales lead, and then in Novermber around a 3:1 lead, and now the sales are pretty much even, it's safe to say that after the PS3 launched, Blu-ray is outselling HD DVD. There's no other way it could have caught up.
I own both, I think both are fantastic. I like the HD DVD name more, I like their red case more, but if either of these two formats is supposed to last 5+ years until whatever comes next, then I'd have to go with the one that has the most potential in the longrun (Blu-ray).
That doesn't change the fact that this is a frikken mess! Honestly, around middle of last year, when the PS3 was delayed, I thought Sony may have pulled the plug on Blu-ray. In fact I would have welcomed it since it would mean 1 format. But the reality is, Blu-ray is here. It is one heck of a format, and the PS3 is selling the format really well.
Part of it, I blame Toshiba. HD DVD was announced after Blu-ray specs was known. Had Toshiba gave it 60gb dual layered as they announced initially, with sufficient bandwidth for lossless audio (There is definately something up with this, since so few titles have lossless audio) then I think they could have really killed off Blu-ray last summer.
Honestly, right now, I want a swift victory from one side or the other by late 2007. So I can buy movies like crazy without a 2nd thought.
Diablohead
Member
We don't mind waiting, according to sony.
ram said:
Japan isnt doing great for either format at the moment.
Europe is strongly in HDDVD's favor right now.. studio canal is HDDVD exclusive and they have distribution rights to alot of different stuios movies in Europe, but the PS3 is Blu Rays big gun, so we'll have to see what happens after it launches there.
marvelharvey
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They're still going to charge £425 in the UK? I just bought a brand new PS3 60GB in Osaka's Big Tiger for 54999yen inc tax, which is equal to £231 in today's exchange rate.
That's a difference of ridiculous proportions.
That's a difference of ridiculous proportions.
plagiarize
Banned
thank you... that is more interesting.Goldrusher said:
DarkJediKnight said:
How does Blu Ray have more potential? HDDVD has 51GB discs coming out. HDDVD allready has downloadable content compatible players, they allready have the interactivity working (Blu Ray lacks both currently and are shooting for a summer launch of both).
Its like if people keep spreading enough FUD it becomes true.
Also, the Amazon numbers are horribly flawed because they rely on sales rank, and not number of titles sold. They dont really show anything. NPD gives us fairly concrete numbers, amazon sales rank shows us 1 retailer and doesnt even give us hard sales numbers, just positional rank.
Blu Ray has a ton of potential as well, and obviously stronger exclusive studio support at the moment (Fox, Disney and Sony > than Weinstein, Univeral, Studio Canal and Porn), but Sony spreading "Oh, they sold 60K movies, we gave away 1 million, its all over" is just shit. I just dont get why people give Sony a free pass on their Blu Ray related FUD while hammering them for the stupid shit they say about the PS3.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Actually, with PS3 out, I'm pretty sure there's more BD playing hardware out than HDDVD hardware.StoOgE said:
By the same logic BD has 100 and 200GB discs coming out. Neither has any players that will make any use of those capacities though.
Marconelly said:
HDDVD has 10x as many standalone players on the market in the US if you count the 360 add on. The PS3 plays Blu Ray, but how many have an HDTV? How many care about having High Def movies? How many are actually going to buy Blu Ray movies? You cant count every single PS3 as a Blu Ray player any more than Microsoft could count every signle 360 as an Xbox Live user.
plagiarize
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Forsete said:
fixed for fun
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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So what are the 2007 European 360 and Wii releases that will show up before the PS3 launches?
This should be interesting.
This should be interesting.
DarkJediKnight
Member
StoOgE said:
HD DVD insiders have said that 51gb disc is nothing but vaporware at the moment. It hasn't even been aproved by the DVD forum. There is no prototype on display or anything. Remember that the dual layer 50gb Blu-ray disc was first demonstrated in late 2004, and it finally showed up in Oct 2006. If the laser from the early HD DVD players cannot play it, it will never see the light of day.
I don't take into account of what Sony, Fox, or whoever says what. The only time you have any concrete info is one side says a particular figure, and the other agrees with it. Remember the HD DVD drive was to sell 175k, but then reduced to 92k. That's a huge difference. There is no question in my mind that if not for the PS3, Blu-ray as a movie format would be canned already. The goal was always the same: Mass production of PS3 results in lower costs of Blu-ray machines.
There are potentially 2million Blu-ray players in the world right now, vs 200k+ HD DVD players. In order for you to invest in HD DVD, you have to consciously commit to it. So it will have a higher software attach rate compared to someone who buys a PS3. The catch is, maybe 15-20% of the people with PS3s are actively buying Blu-ray movies. Some don't know, some don't care. Sony's strategy has to market Blu-ray with every DVD ad so that those with PS3s will pick up a Blu-ray. And in the meantime, drive the cost of the hardware down. And it's working. Crank is the highest selling HD title of 2007 so far.
dino1980 said:In sweden it costs about 6500kr. But the costs is higher because of the company who handles the ps3 in sweden, has raised the price with 70 dollars.
But in Sweden a PS3 costs about 867US dollars. Cheap aint it
Thinking of getting the 20Gb japanese version from ebay.
Yep, and we have the 25% VAT mainly to thank for that price.
DarkJediKnight said:
the 175K figure was worldwide shipped numbers.. the 92K was the US sold through number. So, the 92K number is actually consistent considering some of those went to Canada, Europe, Japan as well as other regions and some are in transit to retailers/sitting on shelves.