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Study Finds The Defenders Least Watched from Netflix/Marvel in U.S.
- Thread starter mreddie
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Yeah, that's the thing I'm wondering, I heard about Things a week after the premiere. DDS2 I have to believe was for Punisher and S2 was getting hyped soon after the first season came out. Netflix doesn't share these stats for a reason so I'm kinda wondering how they get these stats without having a mole.
The Silver
Member
I still haven't watched it yet, guess there's no big hook for me. The characters aren't compelling enough for me to give a shit about them teaming up(mostly Danny and Luke, even I like the latter well enough) and the villain(s) doesn't draw me in at all.
hogendaz85
Member
People who are surprised about Stranger Things on that chart you gotta realize that's the first 30 days the show took off BIG time after that.
Think about the first Austin Powers made only $50 million it's entire theatrical run but became pretty huge when released on video to the point of the Spy Who Shagged me coming out and making over $200 million domestic. Initial number aren't always indicative of success.
Think about the first Austin Powers made only $50 million it's entire theatrical run but became pretty huge when released on video to the point of the Spy Who Shagged me coming out and making over $200 million domestic. Initial number aren't always indicative of success.
Valkerionseven
Member
I forgot about this show too, even when I remember, by time I get home I forget again.
It sounds like it was eh as well, and the marketing push was no where near as big.
It sounds like it was eh as well, and the marketing push was no where near as big.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Those stats seem wrong. I can see Thirteen Reasons Why being so huge because of the teen crowd, but Stranger Things being that low seems counter to how much that seemed to explode in the pop culture landscape almost immediately.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Again, Stranger Things blew up immediately. It was not a slow burn. It became a TV phenomenon really fast.
BronsonLee
Member
Stranger Things was an immediate outta nowhere smash, Netflix likes those
I wouldn't use these stats, but I wonder how GLOW and Ozark did
I wouldn't use these stats, but I wonder how GLOW and Ozark did
Saw this earlier tonight and been trying to figure out why on Twitter with folks.
One suggestion is that perhaps folks think they need to watch all 5 previous seasons and haven't gotten around to that (IT is a big ask of time)
Another is that folks just weren't thrilled by The Hand/elements of other shows. So while you may like Jessica Jones, only want more JJ.
But this is all intriguing.
One suggestion is that perhaps folks think they need to watch all 5 previous seasons and haven't gotten around to that (IT is a big ask of time)
Another is that folks just weren't thrilled by The Hand/elements of other shows. So while you may like Jessica Jones, only want more JJ.
But this is all intriguing.
Rumblebones
Banned
Deserved.
Iron Fungus was well and truly awful and killled a lot of the momentum.
Defenders disappointed with weak villains and slow plot.
Iron Fungus was well and truly awful and killled a lot of the momentum.
Defenders disappointed with weak villains and slow plot.
Internet hype ≠ total views. Without Netflix data we have no way to prove this.
A ton of people can watch something but be less excited about it overall than an energized minority.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
They're just estimates. Any time you see "x is the most watched Netflix original" or "y was watched more than z!" type stuff coming from a non-Netflix entity, it should be taken with a grain of salt because only Netflix has that data.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
These shows are bad, the novelty of Dardevil/Arrow is gone.
I hope Netflix listens and starts putting something better.
I hope Netflix listens and starts putting something better.
serenewarfare
Banned
That's not true though. A lot of the hype and coverage around Stranger Things occurred when it debuted and shortly after.
Which is not to say all the viewing was upfront, but it absolutely "blew up" way before its first 30 days were over.
Show length probably didn't help. You have to watch 5 seasons of 13 episodes to get caught up. 2 shows are good and the rest range from mediocre to terribad. It's a hell of an investment compared to a marvel movie every now and then.
I like most of these shows but 13 episodes is brutal.
VeryGooster
Banned
The pacing of these Marvel shows blows and when one reviewer, probably Sepinwall, mentioned you don't even see the Defenders as a team until a few episodes in of what, eight? Ten? Thirteen? I wasn't going to bother.
Is Bojack Horseman that good? I feel like its a show like Bob's Burgers that everybody enjoys, but I just don't get.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I'm not just talking about "internet hype."
And yes, without Netflix data we have no way to definitively prove this but you can also look at a variety of media attention/reportage as well as internet/social media impressions trends.
That show was being discussed/championed/featured across as many different media outlets as I can think of. It was a bonafide hit and was a big part of, if not outright driving most conversations about pop culture within the week of its premiere.
The idea that it's first 30 days it was actually less popular than fuckin IRON FIST doesn't hold any weight. I know that there's this idea that there's still a significant division between "The internet" and "the real world" but when the platform these shows are debuting on is the internet I don't think that division (which is way overstated as it is) is really present.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
It wasn't that great. Just give us more Daredevil and Punisher. Shovel everything else. And especially never do a season 2 of defenders.
The Artisan
Member
I didn't finish it yet but I was way less excited to watch this than I was for all the other Netflix MCU shows. Even Iron Fist, as much as I resented it.
I don't know if it's because I'm not into the superhero shit like I used to be, or that I've just developed such high standards for tv and movies that the Defenders just seems so flawed and a disappointment (so far).
I don't know if it's because I'm not into the superhero shit like I used to be, or that I've just developed such high standards for tv and movies that the Defenders just seems so flawed and a disappointment (so far).
Dude Abides
Banned
Nobody cares about Marvel property #28126 starring D-list characters.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Even still, it seems off. Stranger Things was an immediately huge thing. It was everywhere almost immediately. As big as that show blew up instantly, there is no reason it should theoretically be that low on that chart.
Unless that company is theorizing that people were watching Stranger Things in massive groups at one location to keep viewership down.
It's kind of like an investment that really pays off. It's not exactly lightspeed at go. Can't grab everyone with a show like that, but that's how it is. Netflix is a good fit for it.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Season 2 will be massive off the strength of 1, just like Daredevil Season 2 was based on that chart.
HF2014
Member
Yeah. Imstart like the first 30minutes of Defenders and there was too much Iron Fist. The Hand gimmick need to die too...
Bring back Fisk christ!
AmayaPapaya
Banned
When the shows are good, people will come. They do need a hit though. No one's got time for a 13 hour show that doesnt pay off.
It's so weird because it totally feels like the show could have ended at episode 6 or 7.
It was 8 episodes.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Netflix has blasted previous estimates as remarkably inaccurate, so I don't know why it'd be any different this time.
Maybe its huge in the internet circles you hang around and nowhere else...
-Plasma Reus-
Service guarantees member status
I feel like in general we tend to think it's big, just because Colbert or some other late night host makes a clever joke about it.
Really while some of the plot was a bit messy for Jessica/DareDevil/Luke (Iron Fist was garbage) they all worked in their own thing but it was a jumbled clusterfuck of a show once the novelty wore off with seeing them and interact with each other. I mean for gods sake 3 Leaders of the Hand were shoved out of no where into the Defenders with no slow build up or giving us any reason to give a shit.
bobbychalkers
Member
Iron Fist and the lackluster Hand villains really tempered me on the series.
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Iron Fist killed my excitement for Defenders.
Defenders completely killed my interest for all of Marvel's Netflix stuff besides maybe Daredevil S3.
Defenders completely killed my interest for all of Marvel's Netflix stuff besides maybe Daredevil S3.
Sorry, did you mean to say Defenders Season 2?
Yeah, maybe this is me. I start on them and then about halfway through I'm kinda ehhhhhh and move on. I did watch DD Season 1 through though.
I don't think it had much hype going in, it just gained a lot of traction when people watched it and loved it. That may account for low numbers in the first 30.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Less than two weeks after it premiered, New York Times says it is show of the summer.
Six weeks after premiere, it is renewed. Yes,that is past the first thirty days, but it is still proof that the show was huge.
Business Insider,while still not having concrete data, has analysts that show Stranger Things was bigger in its first month than House of Cards and all the Marvel stuff.
We will never know exactly how huge the show was unless Netflix says so, but to imply that the show was not huge outside of internet circles is denying a lot of evidence.