A lot of the good stuff for Daredevil Season 2 happens in the second half, so you're definitely missing a lot if you skipped it.
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Study Finds The Defenders Least Watched from Netflix/Marvel in U.S.
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A lot of the good stuff for Daredevil Season 2 happens in the second half, so you're definitely missing a lot if you skipped it.
Doctor Decimate
Member
Part of this is probably Iron Fist.
I wonder if the other part of it is the expected time investment; the existence of four different shows (one of which has two seasons) with hour-ish episodes leading up to this is a hell of a lot different than the time investment for The Avengers, even if you skip one or two of them.
I wonder if the other part of it is the expected time investment; the existence of four different shows (one of which has two seasons) with hour-ish episodes leading up to this is a hell of a lot different than the time investment for The Avengers, even if you skip one or two of them.
Nah, it was a collective effort from all these mediocre shows
Cameron122
Member
Iron Fist hurt my interest in it
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Over 100 posts and nothing about superhero fatigue yet? GAF is slipping.
HF2014
Member
IMO, Netflix have difficulty to keep up lots of their shows. OITNB, House of Cards, Bloodline, The Killing, Marvels Daredevil S2 bottom half and up series, all iv lost the love of it with their last season. Just hoping Ozark, Stranger Things, Narcos, 13 reasons Why will keep up. One series i beleive they did a stong ending is The Fall, but all the others series, well, kind of dissapoint me with their last season effort.
MHWilliams
Member
Each show got high until Iron Fist, which rolled off the expectations of previous shows.
Defenders rolled off the reception to Iron Fist.
Sometimes certain showrunners and or companies don't treat the source material with the reverence it deserves, so basically we know what happened.
Black Republican
Member
Punisher will save the Netflix series
Stranger Things was not a tremendously widely watched show outside of nerd circles. Most of my non-gaming non-cinephile non-comic book fan friends barely know what it is. It seems like it was bigger than it was due to how much noise was made about it on the internet.
Gaius Cassius
Member
At this point, if The Punisher fails to bring good reviews or bring people back, then they should look into giving Kingpin his own show. I'd watch the hell out of that.
What the hell are you talking about? The show was everywhere, it's pretty mainstream.
Hence "Study"
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I haven't watched it because I needed to watch some of the others first.
And by others I mean Iron Fist.
And by others I mean Iron Fist.
Skip Iron FIst and Defenders.
I love Daredevil, but haven't watched JJ, Cage, or Iron Fist. Defenders making a Daredevil S3 take longer is just annoying at this point. These shows aren't tightly coupled into the MCU anyway so I think they need to just focus on them individually rather than force out another hero team.
When you think about it they shouldn't be surprised at all. It feels like I need to have watched 5 13-episode seasons spanning four different shows to be able to watch this. Maybe some people are like me and got bored halfway through Daredevil season 2 or waited a weekend for other people to watch Iron Fist so they decided not to bother after the consensus was that it sucked.
The Avengers films have the huge spectacle (and only being 2-2.5 hours) on their side. I haven't seen all the Marvel movies, but that didn't stop me from seeing Avengers 1, 2, or Civil War. The Defenders feels like a full plate of seconds when I wasn't hungry enough to finish the stuff I liked the most on the first plate.
The Avengers films have the huge spectacle (and only being 2-2.5 hours) on their side. I haven't seen all the Marvel movies, but that didn't stop me from seeing Avengers 1, 2, or Civil War. The Defenders feels like a full plate of seconds when I wasn't hungry enough to finish the stuff I liked the most on the first plate.
Does putting the word "study" in front of the numbers suddenly make them more reliable?
It literally does, because a study involves scientific procedure.
I mean, it was so big that they had a commercial for the second season during the Super Bowl. I would be amazed if it wasn't in their top 5 most viewed shows.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
Well, yeah, for the mediocrity of the MCU, the Defenders is really bad. It's on Iron Fist levels of hard to stomach.
But where are they getting the numbers since Netflix doesn't make them available? Are they using the previous numbers that have been unreliable for past shows or have they somehow retroactively been able to pull the numbers from those days?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Stranger Things was big. Period.
Again: The idea that there's this weird division between "real life" and "The internet" when the program we are talking about is distributed VIA THE INTERNET doesn't make any sense.
The division between "real life" and the "internet" is largely artificial as it is, and when the media we're talking about is media that debuts and is only accessible on the internet and the shows it's being compared against are also on the internet, on the exact same PLATFORM even, then how are we making the argument that one of those shows was only "fake internet popular" as opposed to "real popular." (especially when the shows in question are Daredevil Season 2 and Stranger Things)
We live in a media reality where fuckin PewDiePie is pulling more viewers on the regular than like, 90% of all television programming available, and somehow Stranger Things being a breakout hit the month it dropped is some sort of overmagnified internet-only phenomenon?
I'm not buying it.
That show was big
These stats are bunk.
Again: The idea that there's this weird division between "real life" and "The internet" when the program we are talking about is distributed VIA THE INTERNET doesn't make any sense.
The division between "real life" and the "internet" is largely artificial as it is, and when the media we're talking about is media that debuts and is only accessible on the internet and the shows it's being compared against are also on the internet, on the exact same PLATFORM even, then how are we making the argument that one of those shows was only "fake internet popular" as opposed to "real popular." (especially when the shows in question are Daredevil Season 2 and Stranger Things)
We live in a media reality where fuckin PewDiePie is pulling more viewers on the regular than like, 90% of all television programming available, and somehow Stranger Things being a breakout hit the month it dropped is some sort of overmagnified internet-only phenomenon?
I'm not buying it.
That show was big
These stats are bunk.
I liked Daredevil, couldnt even get through the 2nd episode of Jessica Jones, got halfway through Luke Cage and watched most of Iron Fist. That said, I hated Iron Fist, but I love the comic character and kept trying to like it. I dislike Kristen Ritter and that just made Jessica Jones impossible to wafch, also it was boring to me. Luke Cage was fun for a bit, but went downhill after the 4th episode. So I never even tried to watch The Defenders. Ill probably watch Punisher and if they make another season of Daredevil. The rest could be cancelled and I wouldnt care.
SoulUnison
Banned
I feel like the Marvel Netflix shows have a huge habit of killing off or writing out the best parts of themselves.
Fisk was underused.
Kilgrave was finished off.
Cottonmouth was disposed of.
And then they spen waaay too much time on concepts and characters that are mediocre to just flat-out terrible, like The Hand and Diamondback.
Fisk was underused.
Kilgrave was finished off.
Cottonmouth was disposed of.
And then they spen waaay too much time on concepts and characters that are mediocre to just flat-out terrible, like The Hand and Diamondback.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I'm becoming increasingly convinced they extrapolated it from their colon
Chezzymann
Member
Yeah, not buying those stranger things numbers. Shit was a phenomenon.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
So it's either a company that did some studies or people who just believe a lot of rave = big numbers?
eh.... sure, i guess but gonna have a hard time convincing folks of anything number related
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Bobby Roberts
Banned
If anything helps make my case that these numbers are bunk it's that Spatula's silly ass is up in here suggesting they're correct.
broncobuster
Banned
I think its one of those shows that started low key and people checked it out after the good word spread.
Season 2 will probably have a huge first month.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
How soon until we get people saying that Avatar and Force Awakens weren't that popular because nobody liked them, in spite of the obvious repeat viewing putting them at record numbers?
Subpar Spatula
Banned
well, it's not like i'm saying stuff like this:
"I'm becoming increasingly convinced they extrapolated it from their colon"
while giving your own colon-related stats or thoughts about how they're wrong -- you could at least attempt to discredit their method... at least
like, uh
I thought this would lead a rational conversation about the shows quality or viewing habits, who knew one statistic would unravel the whole source?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The mere fact of you saying any stuff is enough though
Why would you think this
Chezzymann
Member
Weird, variety had a previous article saying stranger things averaged more viewers in the first 35 days than daredevil season 2.
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/stranger-things-tv-ratings-netflix-most-watched-1201844081/
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/stranger-things-tv-ratings-netflix-most-watched-1201844081/
Subpar Spatula
Banned
dig up! UPPPP!
Defenders was pretty fucking mediocre. 85% of it I didn't care for and just seems to ruin everything that was set up in previous seasons. 15% were cool characters interacting with each other and I kinda had fun.
I wasn't hyped at all for Avengers after Thor and Captain America were alright, but it had so much fun and was a really cool celebration. I still enjoy watching it every now and then.
Defenders had me a bit hyped for Daredevil, JJ, LC's return and I was heavily disappointed at how much of a flaccid, meandering wet fart it was.
I wasn't hyped at all for Avengers after Thor and Captain America were alright, but it had so much fun and was a really cool celebration. I still enjoy watching it every now and then.
Defenders had me a bit hyped for Daredevil, JJ, LC's return and I was heavily disappointed at how much of a flaccid, meandering wet fart it was.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
oh ok
Violence Jack
Member
I just now watched episode 4. I feel like Iron Fist fucked over the Netflix MCU.
Now watch Punisher set all kinds of records.
Now watch Punisher set all kinds of records.
Defenders is Daredevil Season 3. Its the direct continuation of the storyline set up in DD Season 2. You missed it.
I enjoyed it, although ill admit Iron Fist is the weak link.
EDIT: and yeah, these numbers are horseshit.