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[RainblowDash]

He used his company twitter account for all that.

Regardless of whether you agreed with the facts or not, it was unprofessional and his firing appropriate.

I have some friends that work in reputable companies in different departments including HR, and I'm always stunned by how many dumbasses use company equipment like phones and computers for porn and gambling.

 

[Rookje]

So we should be required to create a new, anonymous persona to discuss our political and social opinions?

It wasn't his "company twitter account," it was his twitter account that revealed that he worked for that company. If it were his Facebook account, would that be any different? Clearly that is his own personal account.

And using company resources for personal uses like porn or gambling is totally different. The most you could claim this dev used is the game/companies fame to highlight his opinions.

 

[David___]

So we should be required to create a new, anonymous persona to discuss our political and social opinions?

It wasn't his "company twitter account," it was his twitter account that revealed that he worked for that company. If it were his Facebook account, would that be any different? Clearly that is his own personal account.

And using company resources for personal uses like porn or gambling is totally different. The most you could claim this dev used is the game/companies fame to highlight his opinions.

You still represent the company you work for when you use your personal account outside of work. This isn't anything new.

 

[Jon Neu]

It's funny how America prides in being open and "the land of the free", yet it's an incredibly closed minded and puritan country. In the old days the puritanism and social extremism was brought by christianism, now it's brought by feminism and SJW who are going to attack you if you don't play their game.

If you are a "sinner" (which basically means not being part of their hivemind) you deserve everything bad that happens at you, and they are really going to work for that to happen. Is the mob mentality: we are going to impose our dogmas by force and eliminate any type of disagreement.

 

[EviLore]

 

[Vicetrailia]

It's funny how America prides in being open and "the land of the free", yet it's an incredibly closed minded and puritan country. In the old days the puritanism and social extremism was brought by christianism, now it's brought by feminism and SJW who are going to attack you if you don't play their game.

If you are a "sinner" (which basically means not being part of their hivemind) you deserve everything bad that happens at you, and they are really going to work for that to happen. Is the mob mentality: we are going to impose our dogmas by force and eliminate any type of disagreement.

There was a transgender L'Oréal model who got fired for making white privilege/systemic racism/unconscious racism comments on Facebook following the events of Charlottesville.

It can happen to anyone if the employer wills it.

 

[Mahadev]

Witchhunt #2 incoming!

 

[EviLore]

Witchhunt #2 incoming!

I hadn't logged onto twitter since the whole October shitstorm happened or read anything people were saying at me on it 'til now. OMG @ the responses to my random cordial tweet to Purge and Day9 about Dota 2 that just happened to be my most recent tweet when the allegation hit the news.



THE COMMENTS! lol. Mildly insensitive, I dare say.

 

[Jon Neu]

There was a transgender L'Oréal model who got fired for making white privilege/systemic racism/unconscious racism comments on Facebook following the events of Charlottesville.

It can happen to anyone if the employer wills it.

That was in the UK, not in America.

And he is a model, he is paid to actually be the image of the company, so in that case it's more understandable that you have to be politically correct because that is actually part of your job. You are basically a walking PR of the company.

It's not the same as some programmer or sound guy or any other average Joe who happens to have a twitter account and people starts to harass him to be fired.

Would you find right to everybody who holds the same ideas as that trans to be fired? I found the "all white people are inherenlty racist and violent" to be stupid beyond belief, but I don't think that would constitute a reasonable excuse to fire anybody who is not working as some kind of PR/Image job.

 

[Mahadev]

I hadn't logged onto twitter since the whole October shitstorm happened or read anything people were saying at me on it 'til now. OMG @ the responses to my random cordial tweet to Purge and Day9 about Dota 2 that just happened to be my most recent tweet when the allegation hit the news.



THE COMMENTS! lol. Mildly insensitive, I dare say.

My favorite ones are those that talk about prison, all this based on a fucking facebook post. I suspect these people don't know how the judicial system works.

 

[KevinKeene]

I hadn't logged onto twitter since the whole October shitstorm happened or read anything people were saying at me on it 'til now. OMG @ the responses to my random cordial tweet to Purge and Day9 about Dota 2 that just happened to be my most recent tweet when the allegation hit the news.



THE COMMENTS! lol. Mildly insensitive, I dare say.

This is so frustrating to read for me, can't even imagine how it is for you.

Is there nothing that can be done? Thatls exactly the one-sided-ness I was talking about before. They can tweet all this terrible shit without repercussions.

"Pervert!"
"Cunt!"
"Enjoy prison!"
etc.

And nothing happens. Not even a ban from twitter. :/

 

[drotahorror]

Bit of a different subject, but a bit ironic/hypocritical that ResetEra never had any topics about Polygon Editor, Philip Kollar being fired and removed from Polygon's masthead.

https://www.polygon.com/masthead
^No longer listed.

Mr. Kollar was accused of sexual harrassment against a "mentally ill" fan.
https://archive.fo/JgiHL

Surprised RE didn't make a thread since Kollar was scrubbed.

This is what happened in the thread that DID discuss what Kollar did back in November on RE.

 

[luxsol]

There's so many people who don't talk in a public space for fear of losing their jobs, their reputation, their friends, etc. Indeed, most of us on GAF talk about our opinions of seemingly trivial things such as games or pop culture, but we don't want our identities public for likely the same reasons as the Subnautica dev.

Meh, i used to not care and had a very open profile across multiple places. I think around the time smartphones started becoming common place I'm glad i stopped coming online as much, because normal people started joining us online and bringing up the horrible practice of shaming and bullying, that went from online to IRL.
You definitely saw an explosion of this type of shit by 2009, aided by facebook allowing everyone to use it and the use of real name identities becoming common place. You no longer needed 4chan to dox someone to harass them, so any average asshole could just look you up and call your boss/mom/home to get back at you over any little slight they felt.
And it's not even places that use real life identities that got fucked over, because even 4chan was affected, as the trolling/shitposting got worse and /pol/'s beginnings started around this time too

I think the bigger question is: would the world be a better place if they didn't have such fears, and did express their opinions publicly?

You mean, going back to the original internet safe rule of not telling anyone your real name or other personal info? it wouldn't change much, because of the fact that it's so easy to access the internet now by everyone. You'll still see vicious attacks and constant doxxing.

 

[Valdega]

Well, he was singled out for:

1) sarcastic comment on diversity in games ("progressive" slider)
2) opposing immigration from "third world" countries (this term originally meant "neither with commies nor with NATO")
3) joking about gender pay gap
4) used term "SJW logic"
UPDATE:
5) "helicopter" references (a way to mock transgender people, as far as I see, pardon my ignorance)

Now, some or all of these is, apparently, very dangerous for one's career.
It might be good to know which exactly, as, pay gap, for instance, is up for discussions on GAF 2.0.
Opposing immigration is not something unheard of in USA or UK either.

I know what he was criticized for. My point is that he was singled out for his political views and lost his job as a result. If he was good at his job, that's going to hurt the studio's future games. Everybody has opinions. The problem is that people are using social media to persecute people who don't share their views.

 

[Vicetrailia]

That was in the UK, not in America.

And he is a model, he is paid to actually be the image of the company, so in that case it's more understandable that you have to be politically correct because that is actually part of your job. You are basically a walking PR of the company.

It's not the same as some programmer or sound guy or any other average Joe who happens to have a twitter account and people starts to harass him to be fired.

Would you find right to everybody who holds the same ideas as that trans to be fired? I found the "all white people are inherenlty racist and violent" to be stupid beyond belief, but I don't think that would constitute a reasonable excuse to fire anybody who is not working as some kind of PR/Image job.

It's a global economy, so UK/US doesn't matter to a global company. It doesn't matter what kind of job you have, people get in trouble from the bottom all of the way up. Linkedin, Facebook, Twitter, instagram, etc., you do need to know how to handle yourself whether you feel its wrong or not.

 

[TheGraykid]

Somebody said something that insulted a

I know what he was criticized for. My point is that he was singled out for his political views and lost his job as a result. If he was good at his job, that's going to hurt the studio's future games. Everybody has opinions. The problem is that people are using social media to persecute people who don't share their views.

If your opinion is that a lot of your customers are stupid and you express that publicly, don't be surprised when you no longer have a job. This isn't exactly a person conducting intellectual debates, he's just ridiculing people.

 

[d4emon]

yeah, making fun of the consumer, even if coming from a good place, is not tolerable for a company and it's understandable that they laid him off for that.

But of course they lumped it all up with his political views, which makes the firing not okay.


But what bothers me the most is how places like ERA actively pressure for that kind of boycott against a person's livelihood. Do they really believe they're the good guys? How elevated must your bullshit threshold be to think: "I got this guy that said things I didn't like fired from his job, good going me!"

 

[mckmas8808]

There's so many people who don't talk in a public space for fear of losing their jobs, their reputation, their friends, etc. Indeed, most of us on GAF talk about our opinions of seemingly trivial things such as games or pop culture, but we don't want our identities public for likely the same reasons as the Subnautica dev.

I think the bigger question is: would the world be a better place if they didn't have such fears, and did express their opinions publicly?

There was a lot of public shock at Trumps victory, and I think a lot of this stems from the silent majority who are fearful of voicing their opinions against the current political dogma. But if they did feel comfortable debating or discussing those things publicly, maybe real discourse could of happened and we could of avoided the situation we're in now.

We had that time. We call it "America pre-1965" lol. Is it so hard to be respectful of others?

No. its not. EEOC added orientation and gender identity in 2012 and 2015.

Thanks for the update. I remember for yes I was shocked that people were getting fired from their jobs because someone found out a guy co-worker was dating another guy that didn't even work at the job.

 

[Jon Neu]

We had that time. We call it "America pre-1965" lol. Is it so hard to be respectful of others?

Europe pre-internet was pretty much a place where you could express your opinion without fear of being publicly ashamed and bullied.

I find ironic that you say "is it so hard to be respectful to others?" at the same time that you are so close minded and fine with the bullying of people based on their opinions.

 

[TheGraykid]

yeah, making fun of the consumer, even if coming from a good place, is not tolerable for a company and it's understandable that they laid him off for that.

But of course they lumped it all up with his political views, which makes the firing not okay.


But what bothers me the most is how places like ERA actively pressure for that kind of boycott against a person's livelihood. Do they really believe they're the good guys? How elevated must your bullshit threshold be to think: "I got this guy that said things I didn't like fired from his job, good going me!"

If you're expressing your political views in a mean, spiteful and insulting way, I think that matters. Also, you can have a political opinion that is mean and hateful, that is also possible.

I've worked with people who said mean and insulting things, when they got fired I thought "I'm glad that person's gone." And, I don't think that's a crazy thing to think. You get back what you put into the world. No one is entitled to sympathy. If someone is clearly being an asshole, then people will celebrate when you go down, and some people might even go out of their way to help bring you down.

 

[mckmas8808]

Europe pre-internet was pretty much a place where you could express your opinion without fear of being publicly ashamed and bullied.

I find ironic that you say "is it so hard to be respectful to others?" at the same time that you are so close minded and fine with the bullying of people based on their opinions.

Personally I don't like either. But there is one that I clearly find to be worse than the other though.

 

[d4emon]

If you're expressing your political views in a mean, spiteful and insulting way, I think that matters. Also, you can have a political opinion that is mean and hateful, that is also possible.

I've worked with people who said mean and insulting things, when they got fired I thought "I'm glad that person's gone." And, I don't think that's a crazy thing to think. You get back what you put into the world. No one is entitled to sympathy. If someone is clearly being an asshole, then people will celebrate when you go down, and some people might even go out of their way to help bring you down.

Those are a lot of hypothesis to validate your point. For all we know he could've been awesome to work with and the sole reason to let him go is that (not that many) people felt offended by something he said. It's the norm nowadays though. I'm sure it will bite me in the ass at some point too.

 

[Straight Edge]

Workplaces in the US have a legal duty to prevent a hostile work environment. They can’t turn a blind eye to publicly displayed racist or sexists rants. People carry their beliefs to work with them.

 

[Alx]

Workplaces in the US have a legal duty to prevent a hostile work environment. They can’t turn a blind eye to publicly displayed racist or sexists rants. People carry their beliefs to work with them.

Do they ? I would think the professional thing to do would be to keep your beliefs out of the workplace. I agree that the company is responsible for the work environment, but on the other hand it also means that what people do on their own time is none of their business.

 

[mckmas8808]

Do they ? I would think the professional thing to do would be to keep your beliefs out of the workplace. I agree that the company is responsible for the work environment, but on the other hand it also means that what people do on their own time is none of their business.

It doesn't exactly work like that. It really depends on where you work and how publicly facing your company is.

 

[Broseybrose]

My lord. Just reading that OP makes my head want to explode.

It really drives me crazy that the entire western world, founded on free speech, is being (has been) taken over by social justice WARRIORS. Im probably as mad about it as the dev who got fired for tweeting a joke.

If it ever comes down to actual conflict, they will lose. I hope there is some other way to KILL their nonsense socialist utopian ideology before it comes to violence... but I dont see it happening.

EDIT - However, I am thankful that GAF has returned to the core value of free speech and I can once again vent my opinions without getting banned (hopefully?).

 

[David___]

If it ever comes down to actual conflict, they will lose. I hope there is some other way to KILL their nonsense socialist utopian ideology before it comes to violence... but I dont see it happening.

I mean, good luck with that I guess

EDIT - However, I am thankful that GAF has returned to the core value of free speech and I can once again vent my opinions without getting banned (hopefully?).

Someone was banned not too long ago for sharing his opinion, as in post exodus around the time new mods came in. What are you going to do about that?

 

[Broseybrose]

I mean, good luck with that I guess


Someone was banned not too long ago for sharing his opinion, as in post exodus around the new mods came in. What are you going to do about that?

What am I going to do about it? Continue to voice my opinion when I feel compelled.

Actually that was my first post post-exodus. It feels good to be back.

 

[David___]

What am I going to do about it? Continue to voice my opinion when I feel compelled.

You're free to stan for a pedophile defender if you want, or is that too far for your free speech and in fact you actually have lines that shouldn't be crossed?

 

[Autoignition]

My lord. Just reading that OP makes my head want to explode.

It really drives me crazy that the entire western world, founded on free speech, is being (has been) taken over by social justice WARRIORS. Im probably as mad about it as the dev who got fired for tweeting a joke.

If it ever comes down to actual conflict, they will lose. I hope there is some other way to KILL their nonsense socialist utopian ideology before it comes to violence... but I dont see it happening.

EDIT - However, I am thankful that GAF has returned to the core value of free speech and I can once again vent my opinions without getting banned (hopefully?).

The levels of irony surrounding your complete and total lack of self-awareness are off the fucking charts right now, fam.

"I value free speech over all things, however I wish to inflict violence on these people for speaking out for what they believe in."

Amazing.

 

[Broseybrose]

The levels of irony surrounding your complete and total lack of self-awareness are off the fucking charts right now, fam.

"I value free speech over all things, however I wish to inflict violence on these people for speaking out for what they believe in."

Amazing.

No they will be the ones to bring it to violence. Just like they did in Charlottesville. I dont want to inflict violence on anyone. Right now this is still about words.

They just do not realize that their ideology (Socialism) is a murderous one and that they are playing with fire.

 

[Autoignition]

No they will be the ones to bring it to violence. Just like they did in Charlottesville. I dont want to inflict violence on anyone. Right now this is still about words.

They just do not realize that their ideology (Socialism) is a murderous one and that they are playing with fire.

Sorry, when did we start talking about Nazis inciting violence in Charlottesville?

 

[David___]

No they will be the ones to bring it to violence. Just like they did in Charlottesville. I dont want to inflict violence on anyone. Right now this is still about words.

They just do not realize that their ideology (Socialism) is a murderous one and that they are playing with fire.

You mean the Nazi rally that had one of them drive through a crowd of counter protesters?

 

[Broseybrose]

You mean the Nazi rally that had one of them drive through a crowd of counter protesters?

Sorry, when did we start talking about Nazis inciting violence in Charlottesville?

I see you both believe what you hear on CNN. That's a shame.

Charlottesville was a free speech rally where Antifa showed up and caused violence. Most of the attendants of that rally were in fact carrying guns yet not one shot was fired.

Then mainstream media twisted the narrative so badly that you guys actually believe that it was a Nazi rally.

Oh and the nazi guy who ran over that helpless woman? His car was being attacked by Antifa with baseball bats and he had to get the F out of there. Also she died of a heart attack, not from injury.

Its really terribly sad that you cant even know what the truth of a situation is anymore unless you were actually there.

 

[Autoignition]

I see you both believe what you hear on CNN. That's a shame.

Charlottesville was a free speech rally where Antifa showed up and caused violence.

Then mainstream media twisted the narrative so badly that you guys actually believe that it was a Nazi rally.

Its really terribly sad that you cant even know what the truth of a situation is anymore unless you were actually there.

Were you there chanting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us" then?

 

[David___]

 

[Broseybrose]

I watched the event via livestream and saw what media outlets turned it into and how they did it.

Im actually going to watch this video, just to see how far from the truth it actually is. (The title is a dead giveaway that the video is just more SJW propaganda).

Just because there were racists there does not mean that the point of the rally was to express racism.

And just for the record, my mother is Jewish and therefore I am Jewish and no I do not hate myself.

edit - Ok finished the video, it proved nothing.

 

[mr2xxx]

Is this a joke?

 

[Autoignition]

I watched the event via livestream and saw what media outlets turned it into and how they did it.

Im actually going to watch this video, just to see how far from the truth it actually is. (The title is a dead giveaway that the video is just more SJW propaganda).

Just because there were racists there does not mean that the point of the rally was to express racism.

Imagine being this far detached from reality.

Just imagine it.

 

[David___]

 

[Broseybrose]

Imagine being this far detached from reality.

Just imagine it.

Just know that I feel the same way about you.

Christopher Cantwell is an outspoken racist. That does not mean that EVERYONE ELSE who was there was racist too.

Can you grasp that?

 

[Autoignition]

Just know that I feel the same way about you.

I'm not the one who watched a video of a marching group of white men yelling "blood and soil" and tried to claim it wasn't a Nazi rally. You're delusional if you think it was anything else.

But we're getting away from the point of things. The point is, by wanting to silence these "SJWs" that you claim to hate, you are also an opponent of free speech. You're a hypocrite.

 

[Broseybrose]

I'm not the one who watched a video of a marching group of white men yelling "blood and soil" and tried to claim it wasn't a Nazi rally. You're delusional if you think it was anything else.

But we're getting away from the point of things. The point is, by wanting to silence these "SJWs" that you claim to hate, you are also an opponent of free speech. You're a hypocrite.

I know for a fact is wasnt a Nazi rally. Know how i know? The Nazis were extinguished in the 1940s. And good riddance.

Back on topic - I want to change their minds, ideally. Reason being, not only are they offended by everything, but they then seek to damage the person who 'offended' them in any way they can.

 

[finowns]

If he got fired over a different opinion on immigration and the gender pay gap that’s dumb. I don’t understand what the tweet was saying though.

 

[Autoignition]

I want to change their minds, ideally. Reason being, not only are they offended by everything, but they then seek to damage the person who 'offended' them in any way they can.

And they want to change your mind, and you sound fairly offended to me over that prospect, so in that sense, you're being hypocritical on that front, too.

You're photo negatives of each other, each wanting to change hearts and minds but would be perfectly content if the other side just shut up and went away instead. That's not free speech advocacy; it's an authoritarian mindset going both ways.

 

[Hamster Plugin]

How is one meant to debate with people like Broseybrose, who is denying everything and blaming the media and every source for being "fake news"? Even with video evidence of all the Nazi and white supremacist flags flying around, and "blood and soil" chants?

There is no discussion to be had about it. The two discussing parties are literally living in different realities.

I want to change their minds, ideally. Reason being, not only are they offended by everything, but they then seek to damage the person who 'offended' them in any way they can.

This event killed one and had the neo-Nazis beat up lots of innocent people. That parking garage picture was quite something. The left killed nobody. The "SJWs" were the better group here by far, with a body count of zero.

If he got fired over a different opinion on immigration and the gender pay gap that’s dumb. I don’t understand what the tweet was saying though.

If you mean the attack helicopter joke, it was making fun of transgender people and implying that they don't exist. It's implying that if you can have your brain identify you as the other sex, it's just as logical to identify as an inanimate object. An attack helicopter has become the inanimate object of choice among asshole memers.

 

[Broseybrose]

And they want to change your mind, and you sound fairly offended to me over that prospect, so in that sense, you're being hypocritical on that front, too.

You're photo negatives of each other, each wanting to change hearts and minds but would be perfectly content if the other side just shut up and went away instead. That's not free speech advocacy; it's an authoritarian mindset going both ways.

I am so not authoritarian though. I just dont know what else to say to this. You have an idea of who I am and what I believe but it is incorrect.

 

[Broseybrose]

How is one meant to debate with people like Broseybrose, who is denying everything and blaming the media and every source for being "fake news"? Even with video evidence of all the Nazi and white supremacist flags flying around, and "blood and soil" chants?

There is no discussion to be had about it. The two discussing parties are literally living in different realities.


This event killed one and had the neo-Nazis beat up lots of innocent people. That parking garage picture was quite something. The left killed nobody. The "SJWs" were the better group here by far, with a body count of zero.


If you mean the attack helicopter joke, it was making fun of transgender people and implying that they don't exist. It's implying that if you can have your brain identify you as the other sex, it's just as logical to identify as an inanimate object. An attack helicopter has become the inanimate object of choice among asshole memers.

You are so brainwashed. I give up.

But I have to remember that it is not your fault. The news in this country has totally adopted the Nazi narrative about Charlottesville, and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

 

[David___]

You still haven't answered my question if you would defend the pedo defender who got banned for voicing his opinion on here

 

[Autoignition]

I am so not authoritarian though. I just dont know what else to say to this. You have an idea of who I am and what I believe but it is incorrect.

I can only make assessments based on your statements in this thread so far. In your original comment, you actually considered physical violence against the other side. It doesn't matter that in this imagined scenario of yours, the other side is the instigator. You're the one imagining violence. It's your thought. You're looking for an excuse to use violence against people with whom you disagree. And it's authoritarian. Own it.