The combat and graphics are quite improved over the first game, but it came at the expense of a more typical story that doesn't hit the feverish, infectious insanity of the first game, and they decided to address complaints about the overworld by getting rid of it, relegating Santa Destroy to a mission select screen, which killed a lot of the local flavor that the first game had in spades. The soundtrack was also a huge downgrade, as GHM was undergoing a shift at the time that had Masafumi Takada leaving the company to go to Tango Gameworks and Akira Yamaoka was just getting in, so they relied a lot of the Dark Side remix album they did for the first game, although there are some fun new tracks in there.
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Suda51: No More Heroes 3 "in 20 years", no Kickstarter
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The combat and graphics are quite improved over the first game, but it came at the expense of a more typical story that doesn't hit the feverish, infectious insanity of the first game, and they decided to address complaints about the overworld by getting rid of it, relegating Santa Destroy to a mission select screen, which killed a lot of the local flavor that the first game had in spades. The soundtrack was also a huge downgrade, as GHM was undergoing a shift at the time that had Masafumi Takada leaving the company to go to Tango Gameworks and Akira Yamaoka was just getting in, so they relied a lot of the Dark Side remix album they did for the first game, although there are some fun new tracks in there.
Host Samurai
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I loved NMH 2. My only issue with it were the fodder enemies were pretty generic compared to the original game where you would fight strange dudes with paper bags on their heads....also Heavenly Star.
More than the performance issues, I took a lot of offense to how badly they screwed up the game balance by making the trash mobs take forever to kill, as well as adding a ton of needless complexity to the controls.
Vampirolol
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No More Heroes 2 is secretly on of the best games of the past generation. The world needs more Travis Touchdown!
The No More Heroes IP is so good and has so much potential. The only genuinely great thing Grasshopper was responsible for. I'll never understand how they just ditch this.
Well, good luck with that new game whose title I already forgot.
http://webmshare.com/play/V697B
Well, good luck with that new game whose title I already forgot.
http://webmshare.com/play/V697B
The loading wasn't exactly brief on the Wii, either. That they managed to make them even longer and frequent was... man, I don't know. I just don't know.
For the most part. Personally, I felt that the tiger transformation Dark Side Reel replacing the Gray Fox-style one that came with the old Cranberry Chocolate Sundae was a massive downgrade in spite of its increased mobility, and got old really fast. The game's overall presentation also took a major hit, with the little things like the Wiimote phone conversations with Sylvia and the personalized boss introductions with the MacinTalk whisper announcer sorely missed. The bosses themselves falling short of the ones from the original game, especially the godawful final boss, doesn't help either (I'd say that Margaret and Alice were the only exceptional ones). Plus, I'd say the alternative clothing options in NMH2 were far worse, pretty much why I just stuck with the default outfit.
Agreed with everything else already mentioned. The story was just weird in its own way that was often far too serious for its own good and certainly wasn't fun, and left a very unpleasant aftertaste more often than not. Overall, it was a game that demonstrated just how much of a difference substituting Suda as director made.
Removing Heavenly Star from the soundtrack was the last straw for me. Not surprised about the added problems of the trash mobs (tended to take too long in NMH2 as well, particularly in a parking lot toward the end where the waves just kept coming) or the controls, which benefited a great deal from the Wii's motion controls.
cj_iwakura
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Did the interviewer even ask about Lily? Has anyone?
TheSpaceBetween
Member
Dammit Suda. I'd be ok with it if GHM still made their yearly games. Yall can say what you want but I was in heaven when we got NMH2 -> SOTD -> LPC -> KID one after the other. Let it die looks like ass though. Is it even still coming out this year?
foxuzamaki
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I really want it suda 
foxuzamaki
Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
Not only that but im pretty sure suda said before that travis story was over and that he was thinking NMH3 would be a new protagonist with a possibility of travis being a main antagonist.
TheUntamedLegend
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I have always felt Travis deserves a spot in Smash Bros.
Seriously, I think it'd be a good way to establish a hardcore base on the NX. Granted, No More Heroes and Madworld didn't summon one to the Wii, and neither did Bayo 2 and a bunch of last gen ports on the Wii U. However, if Nintendo makes an effort to get more, non-ported T/M-rated 3rd Parties on their systems early on and keep that steam flowing steadily, it could seriously help them bring in a larger crowd, and it wouldn't hurt their "family-friendly" image because they would personally be working on their own games. Putting Travis or Bayonetta in Smash would be another show of good faith towards more-mature 3rd Parties.
The most painful part about this announcement, by the way? It's Suda. I don't think this is just him joking around. I honestly think this is his plan. No More Heroes may have been the best single-player experience on the Wii outside of the Galaxy games, so I'd definitely love to see a new one. 2 wasn't as good, but I still enjoyed it. I can only imagine what Suda could do in a 3rd one!
Japanmanx3
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Everytime I see the words Lily Bergamo it feels like a stab in the chest smh.
I never got to play NMH2
but the first one was a classic. Everything was great. A third on Wii U or NX or whatever will be lovely.
I never got to play NMH2
but the first one was a classic. Everything was great. A third on Wii U or NX or whatever will be lovely.
SatoAilDarko
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The funny thing about the PS3 version is that it's actual the second release of the game on PS3 in Japan. Somehow the first was worst. As Suda said in interviews he had nothing to do with the port.
It's essentially the only modern third-party traditional game franchise that's synonymous with a Nintendo home console.
It's essentially the only modern third-party traditional game franchise that's synonymous with a Nintendo home console.
PirateKing
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Lily tho
meltingparappa
Member
What was even the last game that Suda wrote and personally directed?
When he was at PAX East a while ago, probably getting a lot of NMH 3 requests, I asked him about Sudanatcher and he seemed pretty pleased and laughed at the absurdity.
When he was at PAX East a while ago, probably getting a lot of NMH 3 requests, I asked him about Sudanatcher and he seemed pretty pleased and laughed at the absurdity.
The key concept art for Let It Die is really, really cool. I wonder to what extent they will realize that type of world and level design.
It was the first No More Heroes. Since then, he's been a producer in all but title; an important role, no doubt, but not nearly the same personal touch.
Come on! I'd buy it!
The plot's nowhere near the first one and it misses some of the setting's charm but as an actual game it's a big improvement.
The plot's nowhere near the first one and it misses some of the setting's charm but as an actual game it's a big improvement.
It has more polished graphics and relatively more refined combat however it misses the soul of the first game.
Despite (or because) the campiness through out the game, the first NMH was a satire about the desire of endless excesses and extremes which made it more similar to Killer7 (about "serious" themes) though the game structure of the two game have very little in common.
The second game on the other hand is basically a pale parody of the first game.
I enjoyed it but it isn't in the same league (a cult classic status) like Killer7 and No More Heroes.
Agree.
NMH has some truly genius moment which really elevate it, like Letz Shake or how the beginning and ending are interwired (only after the end and when you start a new game you understand what Travis is singing during the fight against the first boss).
Captain Chaos
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Killer 7 remaster please first.
Drilbit777
Member
NMH had so much potential on the Wii U though.. : ( Maybe we'll get another title for NX hopefully..
DAREALGUMMY
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More like 1 and a lot less like 2 please.
He really, really does. I keep hoping Sakurai will do what he did with Snake and let Travis in largely just because he's buddies with Suda.
cj_iwakura
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Since the article is in Spanish, does it say anything else of note? I wonder if any interviewer's had the stones to approach him about Lily. They probably get shot down.
Exactly. They even had another development concept to try and deepen the gameplay instead of the "gigolo mode", but couldn't tackle that. I'll get the description when we get the 1:1 interview up.
Full interview in video will be up shortly, and in English. We asked regarding Let it Die, even being a "can't talk yet" topic, so just imagine. But in the later panel, where we tried again, he talks about the game concept being first. But not much.
That was asked here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1074251 along the chances for a prequel-sequel.