Exactly haha.
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Super Mario Odyssey - 10/10 from Edge
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Exactly haha.
Diprosalic
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it does have two mario games!
you can skip the pro controller, it plays better with a split joycon setup.
Raven117
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Yeah, but thats just one game. Not a whole company...I think thats the difference.
But yeah...Its weird. I mean... I love certain games too...some "reviewed" exceedingly bad, but there were still great.
A review doesn't affect personal enjoyment of a game one way or another. Ill never understand the obsessiveness some people have for them.
The bundle comes with a Switch case which has 20$.
Yeah it's hilarious because they might as well have made a joke about breathing air. Everyone knows magazines are physical/paper. So what was the point of saying it?
ShockingAlberto
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Fucking yeesh.
Noone is doing that for the whole company. The only games I saw this GOAT mention for are BotW and Odyssey in the recent years. For good reason, at least in case of BotW.
I know you don't share that opinion, but that doesn't make the people who think of it that way Nintendo fanboys or the reviewers who thought that way biased and/or paid off.
The problem is that those two games are exclusive to Nintendo so you mind automatically jumps to rabid NIntendo fans. When GTA5 got the same reaction in your mind it's normal PS4/Xbox fans.
Bloodborne got the same reaction. Are those Sony fans that scream GOAT as soon something comes out for Sony or do they just legitimately think it's that good? If you think it's the latter while thinking of Nintendo fans in case of Zelda and Mario then I'd reconsider how you perceive things if I were you.
When it comes to review scores, I think it's just people who want a game to be good, and the more entities share a positive consensus before launch the more hype is generated for that person. What I think is way more sad is when people want a game to be bad or insinuate those entities who found a game good are paid off or biased or something. That's just console wars. Obviously the positive reception can be used for that as well but it's not it's sole purpose.
Bloodborne is actually a more complicated situation, even. I would reckon a decent part of its hardcore fanbase originated from Dark Souls, a multiplatform game series. There is of course a case to be made that it in fact originated from Demon Souls, and that therefore the original "soulsborne" fans were in fact Sony fans, but I think Dark Souls itself has quite some influence in this as well, quite possibly more than Demon Souls did.
Anyway, I agree with your assessment that there is some narrative going on about fanbases whenever an exclusive game is great and fans say it is (and possibly say it's GOAT). To automatically declare that fanboyism is just too reductive to be reasonable imo.
JetBlackPanda
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Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. shes as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. shes as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. she's as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
Biased nostalgia paid off sentimental review absolutely disgusting corrupt game journalism it should be me
Just kidding of course, that is awesome to hear
I think it will bring those memories for me too
Phoenix RISING
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A game like Tetris, or driving games, would not receive a score to story.
See above.
A game would not be penalized for not including SP or MP unless, for example, there were issues actually finding people to play against online. I personally did not bother to play Titanfall 1 because of lack of SP, but I did not review that game either.
Likewise, if a game offers an average story, it gets an average score. Expectations increase with every generation, every iteration. See the example where PSX-era graphics are mentioned. In the era of HZD, is that acceptable? Bare-bones story isn't either.
Incorrect. Genres are different. I could have used Shadow Warrior or Mark of the Ninja or Psychonauts and the expectations of good story would still apply.
This is an ineffective methodology for applying a uniform standard.
Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. shes as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
Cool, but did she think it was a 10/10? And did she define a 10/10 as perfection or as a uniquely high quality? We need to know such details!!!1!!!1!
Sorry about that. Nice to hear little kids are enjoying the game as much as we likely will!
Raven117
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Its just anecdotal. From my seat, Nintendo fans tend to be the most vocal against criticism, but meh.
You are right...its just a different aspect of "console wars." Its a childish way to go about consuming entertainment, but hey...if some people like to get hyped and argue with people who make them not hyped, then rock on I guess.
IMO, the only time reviews matter is when there is different concept being implement, it gets reviewed poorly, leading to lower sales...and then developers not taking more chances to deliver a different kind of experience. This is about the only time I care about a number on a review scale.
Games = Entertainment...Games that make me more entertained score higher than the games that dont (personally). Zelda didn't entertain me much. Lower score. Other games this year entertained me a great deal...higher score.
So long as games aren't technically falling apart, then the rest is preference.
Steve Youngblood
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So then the other two categories are averaged together? This just sounds like a transparently terrible system.
Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. shes as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
cute story
I tried to teach my younger family members how to play Mario and Banjo Kazooie... they couldn't grasp the concept of analog sticks, controlling a camera and pressing buttons at the same time
JetBlackPanda
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Biased nostalgia paid off sentimental review absolutely disgusting corrupt game journalism it should be me
Just kidding of course, that is awesome to hear
Yes to both, she looked me right in the eyes and said 10/10 I hope the meta stays high enough for us to purchase this game when it comes out.
LordOcidax
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lololol. The amount of salt in this thread, just reminds me the BOTW 10/10 Edge review threat, but this time is bigger and more salty. 98 MC incoming.
Polygonal_Sprite
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Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. she's as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
Awww, that's incredibly sweet to hear!
It was in a 'Comet' (UK electrical chain) for me around late 1996. I will never forget controlling Mario in 3D for the first time as long as I live. Probably the most stand out gaming memory I have.
Yeah you might be right about Bloodborne, we can't really tell i guess.
The thing when it comes to those fanboy accusations is that most of the time it's brought up against Nintendo. That's just a fact, the Belda memes and whatnot don't come from nowhere, and I've never seen something similar for the other two console manufacturers. (To be fair I've also never seen something like Reggie my body is ready memes for another console manufacturer.)
That NIntendo fanbase is consistently perceived as the most rabid/unreasonable one. Even if that's true, some people then seem to use that narrative to include reviewers who found a Nintendo game good, which makes no sense, especially if 90% of them share the same opinion.
And sometimes like in the Zelda/Horizon situation it gets ridiulous. At one point I went into a Horizon thread and saw 4 people complaining about "inb4 Zelda fans" on the first page while not a single person outside of them even mentionend the word Zelda, not then and not later. That whole thing was the most ridiculous console war nonsense that went on here, and it still does.
Spyder_Monkey
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If you focus on the scoring rather than the actual quality of the review and what you have you have to say, maybe you shouldn't be doing any reviewing.
Mario and Zelda have gotten 10/10s for most of their existence and will do so for a long time to come. People really need to let it go. lol
Dark Cloud
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Some people are so ate up over these scores that they need to come up with any excuse to invalidate it. Just enjoy it man. It's gaming. It's a hobby. Just be happy and enjoy all the great games we get to play.
Mass Effect
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I did not expect this thread to be 55 pages.
Phoenix RISING
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Not any more terrible than any other review system where the rubric is "hidden," and not explicitly outlined, I don't think. If Jim Sterling gives Zelda a 7, that's a "good" under both his grading system and mine.
At any rate, this is a derail. Perhaps we can pick this up in another topic concerning methodologies of industry review scores. Cheers!
Schucky Ducky
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Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. shes as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
Aww that's a sweet story
I didn't even think about that. This is going to the first big 3D Mario game for a whole generation of kids. That's something pretty special.
Heartskips
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Is this guy serious or just trolling
I can't tell.
I can't tell.
Me either. I thought it would be at 70 by now.
Grats. Switch is a great console.
Raven117
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BUT BUT BUT other peoples enjoyment of a game directly affects my enjoyment of the game and further calls into question my gaming connoisseur status. </sarcasm>
Its only when some folks want to discuss the game in a critical manner and are shutdown by the mob (ie, Hey, I don't like the Zelda weapon breaking system...Nope you are wrong, its perfect, its game of the forever, sorry your opinion on it is invalid...just look at the MC), is when its irritating.
LordOcidax
Member
This thread is very important for the salty people because they can focus in just 1 review/media and argument all that non sense theories. But with the review thread and tons of 10s dropping... is going to be more hard to fight... almost imposible. Still a really enterteined thread.
Spyder_Monkey
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They have a rubric, it's called the review.
My chess game has no cars in it. 0/10.
I mean its a game, not a movie. Wacht movies if you want stories. Or buy the related game genres if thats your thing.
Damn i would even give it min points for having to much cutscenes or story in it.
ShockingAlberto
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I am just going to throw this out there, but what if Mario Odyssey's story is more appealing to someone than Witcher 3
Who are you to say "Actually, you're wrong, change your score?"
Who are you to say "Actually, you're wrong, change your score?"
I guess we just have a different perception of things then regarding fanbases, yeah.
When it comes to reviews though i have to disagree as well, at least to an extent. You spoke of reviews as a whole and not only the scores. I think the socres are the main ammo for console wars, but if I know that I shared the opinion on a game with the reviewer in the past then It's a good indicator whether I should buy the game he's reviewing or not. I know for a fact I can't give a rats ass about Jim Sterlings reviews even though I like most of his other stuff.
When Ben Moore from EZA reviews something and finds it good the chance I might enjoy it is way higher. Obviously I listen to what he actually has to say rather than just deciding on the score he gives the game.
Zelda reviews are a good example. I didn't give a damn about Jim's number. What I gave a damn about were the parts where he wrote about having to do shrines as soon you see them because you might forget it's there or that it takes too long to get back to them, like there isn't a way to mark them on the map or a fast travel integrated in every single one of them. I read the review before I saw the score and I already knew I can't agree with him.
The amount of times online that review's score got brought up in an argument how everyone but Jim is biased for Nintendo was hilarious and sad. I have plenty of criticism for BotW as well, but that's actual criticism and not this crap.
Another point I already brought up was that if I look forward to a game and see more and more magazines sharing the same positive vew that generates hype for me. It seems to me that you think hype is something useless or that generating it has no merit. You might be right on that but all in all It's still a cool thing for me
I think your premise on what I want from a review is flawed beyond having any value. I'm not buying a car or a hammer, which I need to function in certain ways.
exactly
Raven117
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It probably will be to many to be honest. I have Witcher III on PC but it just hasn't gripped me yet. But small things like Rosalina's backstory in Galaxy have stuck with me. Story is so ridiculously subjective that saying one story is the definitive good one is ludicrous.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Both series are the pinnacle of gaming.
If you only have a quoted text, then it is too short. You can solve that by adding one character, like a dot, after the quote.
I'm so sick of the 10/10 reviews debate
A 10 doesn't mean perfect, it just means it's exceptionally good and a standout of its genre
Look at 5/5 star films. They're not perfect films. They're just exceptionally good examples of the genre.
You can have issues in a 10/10 game, but they don't detract from its magnificence.
Super Mario Galaxy is a 10/10 for me. Is it perfect? No. Is it exceptionally good? YES.
Looking back at the Edge 10s, it is also worth noting that many were revolutionary in some way at the time, even if they seem average now - see GTA IV, LittleBigPlanet, etc. Every review is a time capsule, and doesn't necessarily hold up years later with gaming advances etc.
Anyway, my OT suggestion is: Super Mario Odyssey OT | Hats off to Nintendo
A 10 doesn't mean perfect, it just means it's exceptionally good and a standout of its genre
Look at 5/5 star films. They're not perfect films. They're just exceptionally good examples of the genre.
You can have issues in a 10/10 game, but they don't detract from its magnificence.
Super Mario Galaxy is a 10/10 for me. Is it perfect? No. Is it exceptionally good? YES.
Looking back at the Edge 10s, it is also worth noting that many were revolutionary in some way at the time, even if they seem average now - see GTA IV, LittleBigPlanet, etc. Every review is a time capsule, and doesn't necessarily hold up years later with gaming advances etc.
Anyway, my OT suggestion is: Super Mario Odyssey OT | Hats off to Nintendo
Skittzo0413
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I agree that Fludd is the odd man out here when it comes to mechanics, which is why I feel like this is far more of a 64 successor than Sunshine successor. But it still seems a lot closer to 64 than Galaxy, including in the use of power ups. I believe Galaxy uses power ups/transformations in one of two ways (based on memory): required power up in order to open up the path to the goal, or optional power up in order to make the path less difficult or allow the player to move through it more quickly.
64 and Odyssey do not seem to use power ups as gate keys for the rest of the level. Rather, the power ups allow you to explore the same level and same areas in a new way, thus opening up more potential branching pathways. It's a subtle distinction but I feel like it has a large effect on how the player will play through each level and how the levels are designed.
Well yeah, but this is more of a thematic difference than a gameplay/structural difference that I thought we were discussing.
It's absolutely true that Galaxy had several worlds that worked like 64's levels, but the general point here is that most of them were not like 64's levels. On the other hand, based on what we've seen at least, all of Odyssey's worlds work like 64's levels, minus the being kicked out after acquiring a moon. I certainly agree that 64's DNA can certainly be seen in all of the 3D Marios, but I'm just trying to say that in this case, Odyssey's levels appear to be much closer in structure to 64's levels' base structure, rather than the various evolutions of it found in Sunshine, Galaxy or 3D World/Land.
OrbitalBeard
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Video games aren't home appliances.
CharminUltra
Member
I get the feeling this game will be one to watch. I dunno what's giving me that feeling, but it do.
boiled goose
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A rubric for games would be absurd. Games are so different that a standard rubric would be absurd. A spectacular puzzle game doesnt need to be evaluated 0/10 on story.
It doesn't make sense for movies or any artistic medium. It's not a fucking test with a specific goal in mind
Skittzo0413
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Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. shes as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
My wife and I are expecting a girl (our first child) and this is almost making me cry haha
Such a nice story, thank you for sharing.
There's something to be said for simple "fairy tale" like stories. I know it was referenced as a joke earlier but Odyssey's story is somewhat reminiscent of the Princess Bride, a very beloved movie with a very simple story.
It's the execution of the story that should matter far more than how deep it is, or how many branching paths it has.
It is quiet astonishing that both series are able to adapt, reinvent, and innovate their respective genres and the whole industry as well. Can't say many other franchises has the creative talent and vision to consistently release great entries for over 30 years.
What are you talking about, "our" methodology? Who's "us"?
Reviews of media are inherently subjective and I doubt that most of the people that actually enjoy reading reviews of games would be very happy to see them stripped of their voice and impact in favour of a bland "rubric" (and enforcement of such a rubric is obviously impossible anyway). Furthermore, I don't see how such a system improves anything for ... well, anyone.
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