Yeah, I've never understood the mentality that no game deserves a 10.
If that's so, why have 10 on the scale at all?
Then of course you have an issue with 9 becoming the de facto 10...
Exactly haha.
Yeah, I've never understood the mentality that no game deserves a 10.
If that's so, why have 10 on the scale at all?
Then of course you have an issue with 9 becoming the de facto 10...
Guess I'll wait, that's way too much money... For a Nintendo Console with 1 Mario game.
I saw the same stuff about GTA5 for example. The problem is that's not exclusive so it's OK for some reason.
Nintendo Switch = 400 CAD $
Super Mario Odyssey = 80 CAD $
Nintendo Switch Pro Controller = 90 CAD $
Total = 655 CAD $
Or
Nintendo Switch Console - Super Mario Odyssey Edition = 500 CAD $
Nintendo Switch Pro Controller = 90 CAD $
Total = 678 CAD $
The Bundle is pricier... NICE !
Guess I'll wait, that's way too much money... For a Nintendo Console with 1 Mario game.
That shots fired line about dead trees is just great. "Have those people not figured out how to monetize blogs yet!?"
Fucking yeesh.Did any of you happen to catch that piece from Erik Kain on Forbes about Edge's score?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...uper-mario-odyssey-review-score/#1e1fb07e453f
Is it just me, or does it sound like he's accusing Edge of Paid Reviews?
Yeah, but thats just one game. Not a whole company...I think thats the difference.
But yeah...Its weird. I mean... I love certain games too...some "reviewed" exceedingly bad, but there were still great.
A review doesn't affect personal enjoyment of a game one way or another. Ill never understand the obsessiveness some people have for them.
Noone is doing that for the whole company. The only games I saw this GOAT mention for are BotW and Odyssey in the recent years. For good reason, at least in case of BotW.
I know you don't share that opinion, but that doesn't make the people who think of it that way Nintendo fanboys.
The problem is that those two games are exclusive to Nintendo so you mind automatically jumps to rabid NIntendo fans. When GTA5 got the same reaction in your mind it's normal PS$/Xbox fans.
Bloodborne got the same reaction. Are those Sony fans that scream GOAT as soon something comes out for Sony or do they just legitimately think it's that good? If you think it's the latter while thinking of Nintendo fans in case of Zelda and Mario then I'd reconsider how you perceive things if I were you.
Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. she's as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
I can't disagree more harshly with this. By that logic, Tetris has no merit as a video game because it has no story to speak of.
I think the idea that you have to score a game for every separate aspect is erroneous. As some here jokingly refer to, many of the best and most popular games don't have story at all (chess and Minecraft are examples of that). so using story as a necessary part of a review is a bad idea I think. The different forms that video games can take make a movie-like review impossible: video games do not need a story per se, while a movie does. Creating a review system that takes story as a requirement for video games is therefore bound to unfairly treat certain games. That's why imo it is best not to let your review system go up to the score denoting perfection, because at that point things get very nebulous and question like "why doesn't this thing that is otherwise 'perfect' not have a story? Can it then be perfect?" A review system that goes up to "uniquely high quality" allows for an interpretation of a game without story as being so great in the gameplay department as to still warrant a 10 even without a story.
I remember seeing people getting called pretty bad names for preferring a singleplayer game to that currently popular MP game. I think your statement is the polar opposite of that: not enough story makes a game not good enough.
Both camps are utterly wrong, too.
This kind of approach would also mean you have to judge the platforming in the Witcher 3 in comparison to genre pinnacles like Mario Galaxy 2. I don't think that's where you wanna go.
Just use your gut. Boom, 'review system' solved.
Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. shes as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
Its just anecdotal. From my seat, Nintendo fans tend to be the most vocal against criticism, but meh.Noone is doing that for the whole company. The only games I saw this GOAT mention for are BotW and Odyssey in the recent years. For good reason, at least in case of BotW.
I know you don't share that opinion, but that doesn't make the people who think of it that way Nintendo fanboys or the reviewers who thought that way biased and/or paid off.
The problem is that those two games are exclusive to Nintendo so you mind automatically jumps to rabid NIntendo fans. When GTA5 got the same reaction in your mind it's normal PS4/Xbox fans.
Bloodborne got the same reaction. Are those Sony fans that scream GOAT as soon something comes out for Sony or do they just legitimately think it's that good? If you think it's the latter while thinking of Nintendo fans in case of Zelda and Mario then I'd reconsider how you perceive things if I were you.
When it comes to review scores, I think it's just people who want a game to be good, and the more entities share a positive consensus before launch the more hype is generated for that person. What I think is way more sad is when people want a game to be bad or insinuate those entities who found a game good are payed off or biased or something. That's just console wars. Obviously the positive reception can be used for that as well but it's not it's sole purpose.
A game like Tetris, or driving games, would not receive a score to story.
Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. shes as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
Biased nostalgia paid off sentimental review absolutely disgusting corrupt game journalism it should be me
Just kidding of course, that is awesome to hear I think it will bring those memories for me too
Cool, but did she think it was a 10/10? And did she define a 10/10 as perfection or as a uniquely high quality? We need to know such details!!!1!!!1!
Sorry about that. Nice to hear little kids are enjoying the game as much as we likely will!
lololol. The amount of salt in this thread, just reminds me the BOTW 10/10 Edge review threat, but this time is bigger and more salty. 98 MC incoming.Yes to both, she looked me right in the eyes and said 10/10 I hope the meta stays high enough for us to purchase this game when it comes out.
Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. she's as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
Bloodborne is actually a more complicated situation, even. I would reckon a decent part of its hardcore fanbase originated from Dark Souls, a multiplatform game series. There is of course a case to be made that it in fact originated from Demon Souls, and that therefore the original "soulsborne" fans were in fact Sony fans, but I think Dark Souls itself has quite some influence in this as well, quite possibly more than Demon Souls did.
Anyway, I agree with your assessment that there is some narrative going on about fanbases whenever an exclusive game is great and fans say it is (and possibly say it's GOAT). To automatically declare that fanboyism is just too reductive to be reasonable imo.
lololol. The amount of salt in this thread, just reminds me the BOTW 10/10 Edge review threat, but this time is bigger and more salty. 98 MC incoming.
So then the other two categories are averaged together? This just sounds like a transparently terrible system.
Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. shes as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
I did not expect this thread to be 55 pages.
Just pre ordered the Switch Odyssey Edition
Some people are so ate up over these scores that they need to come up with any excuse to invalidate it. Just enjoy it man. It's gaming. It's a hobby. Just be happy and enjoy all the great games we get to play.
This thread is very important for the salty people because they can focus in just 1 review/media and argument all that non sense theories. But with the review thread and tons of 10s dropping... is going to be more hard to fight... almost imposible. Still a really enterteined thread.Mario and Zelda have gotten 10/10s for most of their existence and will do so for a long time to come. People really need to let it go. lol
Not any more terrible than any other review system where the rubric is "hidden," and not explicitly outlined, I don't think. If Jim Sterling gives Zelda a 7, that's a "good" under both his grading system and mine.
At any rate, this is a derail. Perhaps we can pick this up in another topic concerning methodologies of industry review scores. Cheers!
Unless Mario Odyssey all of a sudden has a story like Witcher 3, it can't score a 10/10...I'm not sure if any game can. And that's a problem.
Its just anecdotal. From my seat, Nintendo fans tend to be the most vocal against criticism, but meh.
You are right...its just a different aspect of "console wars." Its a childish way to go about consuming entertainment, but hey...if some people like to get hyped and argue with people who make them not hyped, then rock on I guess.
IMO, the only time reviews matter is when there is different concept being implement, it gets reviewed poorly, leading to lower sales...and then developers not taking more chances to deliver a different kind of experience. This is about the only time I care about a number on a review scale.
Games = Entertainment...Games that make me more entertained score higher than the games that dont (personally). Zelda didn't entertain me much. Lower score. Other games this year entertained me a great deal...higher score.
This is an ineffective methodology for applying a uniform standard.
exactlyI am just going to throw this out there, but what if Mario Odyssey's story is more appealing to someone than Witcher 3
Who are you to say "Actually, you're wrong, change your score?"
Its just anecdotal. From my seat, Nintendo fans tend to be the most vocal against criticism, but meh.
You are right...its just a different aspect of "console wars." Its a childish way to go about consuming entertainment, but hey...if some people like to get hyped and argue with people who make them not hyped, then rock on I guess.
IMO, the only time reviews matter is when there is different concept being implement, it gets reviewed poorly, leading to lower sales...and then developers not taking more chances to deliver a different kind of experience. This is about the only time I care about a number on a review scale.
Games = Entertainment...Games that make me more entertained score higher than the games that dont (personally). Zelda didn't entertain me much. Lower score. Other games this year entertained me a great deal...higher score.
I guess we just have a different perception of things then regarding fanbases, yeah.
When it comes to reviews though i have to disagree as well, at least to an extent. You spoke of reviews as a whole and not only the scores. I think the socres are the main ammo for console wars, but if I know that I shared the opinion on a game with the reviewer in the past then It's a good indicator whether I should buy the game he's reviewing or not. I know for a fact I can't give a rats ass about Jim Sterlings reviews even though I like most of his other stuff.
When Ben Moore from EZA reviews something and finds it good the chance I might enjoy it is way higher. Obviously I listen to what he actually has to say rather than just deciding on the score he gives the game.
Zelda reviews are a good example. I didn't give a damn about Jim's number. What I gave a damn about were the parts where he wrote about having to do shrines as soon you see them because you might forget it's therecor that it takes too long to get back to them, like there isn't a way to mark them on the map or a fast travel integrated in every single one of them. I read the review before I saw the score and I already knew I can't agree with him.
The amount of times online that review's score got brought up in an argument how everyone but Jim is biased for Nintendo was hilarious and sad. I have plenty of criticism for BotW as well, but that's actual criticism and not this crap.
Another point I already brought up was that if I look forward to a game and see more and more magazines sharing the same positive vew that generates hype for me. It seems to me that you think hype is something useless or that generating it has no merit. You might be right on that but all in all It's st
By review, I meant number. There is value in someone saying "ugh, game plays at 10 fps, or some other critical feature is important to whether the game justifies a purchase." And even then, that can be wrong (Alpha Protocol...technical mess, still awesome).
Oh hype is fun, I recognize that. But (to no one's surprise) a gaming website can really swallow hole the hype train.
Case and point.This thread is very important for the salty people because they can focus in just 1 review/media and argument all that non sense theories. But with the review thread and tons of 10s dropping... is going to be more hard to fight... almost imposible. Still a really enterteined thread.
and anotherBoth series are the pinnacle of gaming.
I am just going to throw this out there, but what if Mario Odyssey's story is more appealing to someone than Witcher 3
Who are you to say "Actually, you're wrong, change your score?"
Both series are the pinnacle of gaming.Mario and Zelda have gotten 10/10s for most of their existence and will do so for a long time to come. People really need to let it go. lol
If you only have a quoted text, then it is too short. You can solve that by adding one character, like a dot, after the quote.I guess we just have a different perception of things then regarding fanbases, yeah.
When it comes to reviews though i have to disagree as well, at least to an extent. You spoke of reviews as a whole and not only the scores. I think the socres are the main ammo for console wars, but if I know that I shared the opinion on a game with the reviewer in the past then It's a good indicator whether I should buy the game he's reviewing or not. I know for a fact I can't give a rats ass about Jim Sterlings reviews even though I like most of his other stuff.
When Ben Moore from EZA reviews something and finds it good the chance I might enjoy it is way higher. Obviously I listen to what he actually has to say rather than just deciding on the score he gives the game.
Zelda reviews are a good example. I didn't give a damn about Jim's number. What I gave a damn about were the parts where he wrote about having to do shrines as soon you see them because you might forget it's therecor that it takes too long to get back to them, like there isn't a way to mark them on the map or a fast travel integrated in every single one of them. I read the review before I saw the score and I already knew I can't agree with him.
The amount of times online that review's score got brought up in an argument how everyone but Jim is biased for Nintendo was hilarious and sad. I have plenty of criticism for BotW as well, but that's actual criticism and not this crap.
Another point I already brought up was that if I look forward to a game and see more and more magazines sharing the same positive vew that generates hype for me. It seems to me that you think hype is something useless or that generating it has no merit. You might be right on that but all in all It's still a cool thing for me
This is more or less basically what i said. The key point of my post was that Capy and Luma are the similar mechanics and not Fludd.
With that said the power ups in Galaxy and 64 basically are really close in the way they work. As a tangent Sunshine is kind of a missed oportunity here because the nozzles should have been permanent power ups to Fludd, it would have made exploration more open instad of controlled like any other power up in 64 or Galxy.
You are omiting something here. Both 64 and Sunshine have hughe emphasis in it's Hub worlds: Peach Castle and Island Delfino.
As far as i know, in Odyssey Mario just fuels the ship with Moonshines so it can reach new levels, just like in the Galaxies (2 specially with it's SMW like overworld map) Mario fueld the Starships with Power Stars so it can reach other Galaxies.
because saying that it's "similar to 64" doesn't mean much when 64 DNA is across all the 3D games in the series[/b] (arguibly the entire industry XD) except for the 3D Land mold that aspires to be a hybrid of the 2D and 3D games.
Another thing: Galaxy did have open explorable levels like the ones in 64. i don't understand why this is usually brushed over. One of these "Open Levels" that might have Mario collecting star shrads, ends up working more or less like any traditional Mario 64 level. Not to mention these levels also housed secret stars so that took them even closer to the traditional 64 stapple.
Funny enough, a significant amount of Odyssey Moonshines work like 3D World's green stars, it's basically fusing those collectibles with the more structured Stars of 64, Sunshine and Galaxy.
Yeah I agree somewhat with this. Mario's moveset appears to be much more expanded than in Galaxy, and closer to that of 64 (minus the punching and kicking) but the addition of the helper character could make it a bit more similar to Galaxy in how you move around.
This is an ineffective methodology for applying a uniform standard.
Not any more terrible than any other review system where the rubric is "hidden," and not explicitly outlined, I don't think. If Jim Sterling gives Zelda a 7, that's a "good" under both his grading system and mine.
At any rate, this is a derail. Perhaps we can pick this up in another topic concerning methodologies of industry review scores. Cheers!
Little story from last night.
I was at target with my daughter she is 5. She has played Super Mario World, Mario Brothers, Mario run etc.. shes as never played a fully 3D Mario game.
I handed her the controller at Target and let her experience it. My heart was melted as I noticed her figuring out the camera and moving Mario in a 3D Space I was imedialty transported to Toys R Us when I was kid exploring that kiosk with Mario 64. She giggled and gasped and cheered.
It was a special moment I thought you guys would enjoy.
10/10 from me already
I am just going to throw this out there, but what if Mario Odyssey's story is more appealing to someone than Witcher 3
Who are you to say "Actually, you're wrong, change your score?"
Both series are the pinnacle of gaming.
I mean, perfect, unless you're talking about God, is sort of a nebulous term. It's up for interpretation of the reviewer.
In the rubric I developed for my team (abridged):
I am brainstorming how to revise our methodology because if we just scored with one overall score, this rubric would be perfect. But we assign individual scores based upon three categories, and they are averaged into an overall: story, gameplay, and presentation (graphics/music/sound).
Unless Mario Odyssey all of a sudden has a story like Witcher 3, it can't score a 10/10...I'm not sure if any game can. And that's a problem.