Go ask any Smash Bros. community what they would think about the idea of scrapping Marth for Lucina and I guarantee you will either be laughed at or burnt to a crisp from the flames.
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Go ask any Smash Bros. community what they would think about the idea of scrapping Marth for Lucina and I guarantee you will either be laughed at or burnt to a crisp from the flames.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
You don't know Sakurai very well do you? The roster isn't there just to be filled.
Hades shows up a lot in gameplay, you're just not playing as him. You didn't play as Ganondorf or Bowser either.
Smash Bros Communities decried the removal of Dr. Mario and Pichu. I honestly do not care whether they'd laugh at me.
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Of Myths and Monsters is irrelevant, but not the first one.
Whiskeymatt
Member
Tom Nook would be easy and I'd be more than willing to put one together for him, but stuff like that is better left to the Community SSB thread.
NeonZ
Member
Were those polls done after Awakening's western release? If they're old, they'd be kind of pointless to see the interest in the new FE characters.
LOL, no prob. Honestly, though, I think Hades has a shot, more so than Magnus. He was the "big bad" of Sakurai's last game, after all.
Also, everyone should have "Wuhu Island" and "Nintendo Land" on their Stages list. You just know they're going to be in this game.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Which is why I think Ice Climbers won't be returning.
I contend that is because Roy was actually in the series before. Smash fans would probably like Chrom more if they played him before.
I wish we could get both Hades and Medusa, but I feel we'll get something lame like Magnus and Dark Pit instead.
I agree. Lucina doesn't get enough love. I'd take her 100 times over Marth also
I agree. Lucina doesn't get enough love. I'd take her 100 times over Marth also
Yeah. Marth was offered as free DLC for the first month in all three territories. Both Chrom and Lucina are descendants of Marth, and many of the plotpoints of FE13 come from the mythos of Marth's games.
Sakurai himself is also a big fan of Marth's FE games. He did the Iwata Asks for Shadow Dragon, and has a copy of FE3 downloaded onto his Wii. Not to mention his favorite FE character, Nabarl/Navarre, is a character from Marth's games.
Wait, why do you think Ice Climbers won't be returning? I think they're a safe bet after being a standout addition to Melee and returning in Brawl. They're one of the most unique characters on the roster, and Sakurai appreciates gameplay variety.
That was before Awakening took off in popularity worldwide.
Let me explain why Lucina replacing Marth is a move which would "please everyone" (not literally, but potentially). On the one hand you have hardcore Marth players who desperately want to keep him in the game -- Lucina can be an identical clone in all but appearance and name. I absolutely support this.
On the other hand, you have people who want fresh faces in Smash, and especially new representation from a series with TONS of popular characters. Moreover, there's never been a female FE character in Smash before. Here you have an opportunity to not only make a female character a Marth clone while being canonically accurate, but she's from the most popular game in the series ever worldwide. That's why it's kind of like the stars have aligned. They shouldn't "waste" the opportunity to do it.
That poll was done after Awakening's release.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
That's very much a "duh" thing since Roy has been in Smash Bros and Awakening characters have not. And Smash Bros has a significantly larger fanbase, the majority of which have probably never played a Fire Emblem game at all.
Lucina is a very unattractive idea to most Smash Bros. fans because she is practically a genderswap version of Marth. That is why there is more support for Chrom among Smash Bros. fans than Lucina despite Lucina being more popular among FE fans than Chrom.
using Ryce's method, and I mostly agree with him but I made a few changes and added my items
Characters (48)
Assist Trophies
Poké Balls
Stages
Items
probably missing some next 3D Mario reps.. maybe i'll edit later
Characters (48)
- Mario
- Luigi
- Bowser
- Peach
- Yoshi
- Wario
- Waluigi
- Donkey Kong
- Diddy Kong
- Link
- LTTP Link
- Zelda
- Sheik (transformation)
- Ganondorf
- Pikachu
- Pokémon Trainer's Charizard
- Pokémon Trainer's Squirtle
- Pokémon Trainer's Ivysaur
- Mewtwo
- Mewtwo's new from from X & Y (transformation)
- Lucario
- Jigglypuff
- Samus
- Zero Suit Samus (transformation)
- Takamaru
- Kirby
- Meta Knight
- King Dedede
- Pit
- Dark Pit
- Palutena
- Olimar
- Marth
- Ike
- Chrom
- Fox
- Falco
- Wolf
- Captain Falcon
- Ness
- Lucas
- Mr. Game & Watch
- R.O.B.
- Ice Climbers
- Snake
- Sonic
- Pac-Man
- Mega Man
Assist Trophies
- Rosalina
- Tempo
- Ghirahim
- Eggplant Wizard
- Shulk
- Dillon
- Mallo
- Mach Rider
- Pac-Man Ghosts
- Roll
Poké Balls
- Zoroark
- Victini
- Yveltal
- Xerneas
- Sylveon
- Darkrai
- Arceus
- Shaymin
- Kyurem
- Genesect
Stages
- Comet Observatory
- Wuhu Island
- Skyloft
- Metroid: Other M Ridley's Lair
- Yarn Yoshi
- Pokémon X/Y France-inspired region
- Mega Man Lab
- Pac-Maze
Items
- Super Leaf
- Invincibility Leaf
- Power Pellet
- Poltergust 5000
- Jetpack from Pilotwings
probably missing some next 3D Mario reps.. maybe i'll edit later
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I've been telling him that.
Also I weep for Dillon. Goddamnit he deserve more than an assist trophy!
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
On the other hand she wouldn't be Marth.
Man, I just saw your roster and I really hope that doesn't come to pass. You dropped Jigglypuff, Mr. Game & Watch, and the Ice Climbers, and put in Ghirahim and Magnus? Come on bro.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
His games should have been better then! I'm as much an advocate for Dillon than anybody, but it's just not happening. I think Tempo (Harmo Knight) is a little more likely.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
What does this have to due with Lucina? I'm specifically referring to your Roy comment, and I think Chrom is more likely than Roy (and Lucina for that matter) to appear. Regardless of Roy's popularity with the Smash Bros fanbase.
I'd imagine that would appear in some form. Stage could be interesting.
If there is a female FE character you want, you should back Anna. In the official North American FE13 poll, she got nearly as much votes as Chrom did, plus she has been in nearly every game to the series.
Plus, she could theoretically be any class (even the amazing Master Knight) since FE13 established there are tons of Annas, not just a trickster one.
*shrug*
This is a GOOD thing. Marth has had enough time in the spotlight.
I do back Anna. I said Lucina and Tharja in my post earlier, but I'd happily take Lucina and Anna instead.
What if Sakurai simply does not find Chrom interesting, and does not want to scrap Ike? I think Chrom will probably end up falling down the memory hole once FE14 hits. He was largely forgettable.
Tempo would be an excellent character, as the star of GameFreak's first non-Pokémon game in ages, and the representative of the best the eShop has to offer (imo, followed by Pushmo/Crashmo). He also has a fully developed world with lots of characters. He'd be excellent, especially if they synced his animations and sound effects to the beat of whatever song is currently playing.
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
I believe Ice Climbers were and have always been a filler character. Sakurai is being pressed about the roster size this time around, so filler characters aren't necessary. Plus a lot of Smash players hate them.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I don't understand why he wouldn't scrap Ike. I'd assume he would be one of the first from Brawl to be cut. Chrom would replace him.
And it's not a safe assumption that the entire Brawl cast will return plus a dozen new faces. Given the comment that was brought up early in the thread from the NP interview the roster will at best be the same size, possibly smaller.
No they didn't. Most people don't want Pichu and Dr. Mario back.
The only two cut Melee characters in which there is a lot of support for their return is Mewtwo and Roy.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I don't think game quality has affected a character's chance.
Anyways, we're getting off trail.
Lucina will never bump Marth out though.
How about Marth, Roy, Ike, and Anna, with a Lucina alternate costume for Marth (it would be feasible since Marth will likely be in his FE13 form), would YOU then be happy?
Speedwagon
Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel. Yabuki turned off voice chat in Mario Kart races. True artists of their time.
Yeah, I didn't put a lot of thought into it. I'll refine my list later on.
The one argument I can see for Ike is his original moveset. But, then they cut Mewtwo so...
Ice Climber is not a "filler" character, if anything it's one of the most involved characters design-wise. Sakurai isn't going to scrap one of his most mechanically clever characters, one that took so much work implementing in the first place, and one which is intrinsic to the history of Nintendo, the whole of which the game is meant to represent. Ice Climbers are here to stay.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
GiantBreadbug
Member
I like FE:A, but removing Marth from the game is such a shitty idea.
Just make a Chrom+Lucina character and can switch with B+down, but keep Marth and Ike/Roy.
I'd totally be down for Tharja as well because that would be an interesting moveset, but there's no way she isn't going to be anything more than an assist trophy if she gets in.
Just make a Chrom+Lucina character and can switch with B+down, but keep Marth and Ike/Roy.
I'd totally be down for Tharja as well because that would be an interesting moveset, but there's no way she isn't going to be anything more than an assist trophy if she gets in.
Maybe not, but that's what I want.
I would accept a Lucina costume for Marth (or better yet Lucina dressed as Marth) in a worst case scenario though.
One character I wouldn't be surprised to see:
TOON ZELDA / TETRA
Hear me out:
Leftover code on Brawl shows that a Toon Zelda and Toon Sheik were being developed. Toon Zelda has now appeared in several games: The Wind Waker (being remade soon), Phantom Hourglass, and Spirit Tracks. I personally didn't care for the last two, but think of the potential: Zelda's spirit could possess the suit of armor from Spirit Tracks, fire off Light Arrows, and more. And rather than Sheik, why not transform into Tetra, in keeping with the WiiU remake of Wind Waker?
It's not the character I'd clamor for, but I can see them adding Toon Zelda / Tetra.
TOON ZELDA / TETRA
Hear me out:
Leftover code on Brawl shows that a Toon Zelda and Toon Sheik were being developed. Toon Zelda has now appeared in several games: The Wind Waker (being remade soon), Phantom Hourglass, and Spirit Tracks. I personally didn't care for the last two, but think of the potential: Zelda's spirit could possess the suit of armor from Spirit Tracks, fire off Light Arrows, and more. And rather than Sheik, why not transform into Tetra, in keeping with the WiiU remake of Wind Waker?
It's not the character I'd clamor for, but I can see them adding Toon Zelda / Tetra.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Primarily because they have left over data and were implied to be originally going to be in Brawl but cut.
I would accept a Lucina costume for Marth (or better yet Lucina dressed as Marth) in a worst case scenario though.
Oh god, I can imagine the new influx of "Marth is a girl" jokes.
So does Dr. Mario, but hardly anyone is asking for his return.
Heck, Dixie Kong was planned too, yet there exists much more support for Mewtwo and Roy than her.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Dr. Mario suffers from being Mario though. Essentially the same character with different clothes. And I'm pretty sure Dixie has a huge support and was implied to be originally a tag-team for Diddy (to which I agree, some of Diddy's attacks feel off). With that said let's save it for the community thread.
I did not say Dixie Kong did not have support, I just said Mewtwo and Roy have much more of it. Secondly, most people don't know that she was originally planned to be part of a tag-team with Diddy. They just think of her as being part of the "Forbidden 7".
NeonZ
Member
The illustration was posted in a Japanese twitter post after Awakening done by Japanese staff, after Awakening had already exploded in popularity in Japan.
I think that's the point though. They want a face for the franchise. That's why Marth stayed in Brawl, and he was included in the game even before they could learn about Shadow Dragon and its Marth redesign, and that's why he'll likely stay here. His Falchion design even is the emblem for the FE series in Smash Bros.
You're assuming that they want to change FE's image and that losing a characteristic representation and going through a complete visual change would be a good thing, but I'm not sure they see things that way. Smash Bros is supposed to represent the series' history, after all.
Whiskeymatt
Member
One of the things that people clamoring for Lucina seem to be forgetting is that Smash Bros is a game for Nintendo All-Stars. Marth is iconic for Fire Emblem, Lucina won't be replacing him on that alone.
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