SuperSonic1305
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SuperBunnyHop: 8th Gen Console Console Gaming Review
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EASTC0AST_GH05T
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you ask me in your previous comment if I think hes a troll why even post but vouch for the guys criticism towards consoles and give him the PC pass lol. He can have a opinion but I can't? His opinion isn't valid to me so I decided to speak on it.
When you're telling people how to spend their money, they need all the facts. I'm not saying he's misleading anyone as he states he's a PC gamer, but he needs to view it as objectively as possible. Is it worth it to buy a PS4 if you don't have a gaming PC? He never answers that question, which I would guess is 90%+ of the gaming population out there.
As it is, it's viewbait and doesn't really serve any purpose but to get people upset.
"Trolling" means that someone is arguing in bad faith to mess with people, not just disagreeing with you. Why do you think that's the case here? He has pretty understandable reasons for feeling the way he does.
Person who makes videos wants their videos to be watched, what a fucking scandal!
Portugeezer
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Video doesn't offer much, pretty much just says he has a gaming PC and therefore only wants exclusives on consoles... which is fine, and I kind of understand his point; since building my gaming PC early this year I haven't played much PS4 and I'm waiting for Bloodborne and Axiom Verge.
Calling it a 8th gen console gaming review is a bit disingenuous without including the XB1, going with PS4 because it is most popular is fine but he also said he got large donations towards it; not much is lost.
How many people care? When PS4 is selling so well I guess not many. PS4 is probably the best single console to own, and PC multiplatform games doesn't make a meaningful dent.
Calling it a 8th gen console gaming review is a bit disingenuous without including the XB1, going with PS4 because it is most popular is fine but he also said he got large donations towards it; not much is lost.
How many people care? When PS4 is selling so well I guess not many. PS4 is probably the best single console to own, and PC multiplatform games doesn't make a meaningful dent.
He makes a few fair points, main one being that the PS4 doesn't have any 'killer' exclusives and I agree. He complained about the console now for the same reasons he complained about it in the past. Why bother buying it?
I own both a PC and a PS4 (as well as others, no Wii U), and I could argue that owning a PS4 makes having a PC (in terms of gaming) worthless also. I won't because I can appreciate what they both offer. Lately I've been playing Cities: Skylines and CSGO on the PC and equally I've been enjoying Helldivers, Dying Light and Driveclub on the PS4.
My biggest gripe is he uses the kid on christmas analogy to complain about the PS4. It would be the exact same problem with a PC, if not worse. He blissfully ignores this.
Here's a question, let me flip his argument...
Where are the killer PC exclusives? Dota 2? Remake. CSGO? Remake. Sure remakes and ports aren't quite the same thing but the point still stands. He complains about a lack on innovation. Where is the innovation in PC gaming? The biggest games are remakes and sequels that arguably have only improved graphically.
If the convenience of owning a console means I'm willing to accept that multiplatform games may not run as well then what makes a PC worth owning. Outside of gaming most folk can do on a tablet or smartphone what they would usually use a PC for.
These are of course hypotheticals. The biggest innovation will no doubt be VR, but it's not here yet. So until then it's probably been free-to-play and it's hardly been for the better of gaming.
I own both a PC and a PS4 (as well as others, no Wii U), and I could argue that owning a PS4 makes having a PC (in terms of gaming) worthless also. I won't because I can appreciate what they both offer. Lately I've been playing Cities: Skylines and CSGO on the PC and equally I've been enjoying Helldivers, Dying Light and Driveclub on the PS4.
My biggest gripe is he uses the kid on christmas analogy to complain about the PS4. It would be the exact same problem with a PC, if not worse. He blissfully ignores this.
Here's a question, let me flip his argument...
Where are the killer PC exclusives? Dota 2? Remake. CSGO? Remake. Sure remakes and ports aren't quite the same thing but the point still stands. He complains about a lack on innovation. Where is the innovation in PC gaming? The biggest games are remakes and sequels that arguably have only improved graphically.
If the convenience of owning a console means I'm willing to accept that multiplatform games may not run as well then what makes a PC worth owning. Outside of gaming most folk can do on a tablet or smartphone what they would usually use a PC for.
These are of course hypotheticals. The biggest innovation will no doubt be VR, but it's not here yet. So until then it's probably been free-to-play and it's hardly been for the better of gaming.
If someone gets upset over someone saying something negative about a console then they're a fucking idiot.
There is no objective answer to that question because a person's preferences will always come into play. He's leaning towards "no" for reasons that are already stated.
Scandal: Person who makes videos wants their videos to be watched.
The leap in logic you had to go through to sincerely make that kind of argument floors me.
That doesn't make any sense. That's coming out on PC and you think people are going to buy a console to play it instead of just waiting?
The indie push is to get more games on their platform to cover for not having enough games coming out themselves as well as the implosion of the AAA and AA markets. Its to pad out their library to be sure, but it has nothing to do with PC gamers like this guy IMO.
Instead its more to do with getting games on their system that consoles gamers consider new experiences unlike the PC gamers who can already get them on PC,again like this guy.
My main issue is that the console genres I primarily played in my childhood aren't really around anymore. Save for the Wii U for some, still the output is extremely low. 3D platformers mostly gone (Collectathons are completely gone), action-adventures games as well, character action games are few and far between, arcade racing games have evolved into more of a hybrid kind of product, those awesome arcade/destruction games like MechAssault and Gungriffon just dried up. I really want more of this stuff, I feel once PC developers started their influx into the console industry stuff changed in ways I didn't really like
I'm really hoping mid-sized studios start picking up more of these consoles genres much like they revived a bunch of PC genres. The new BK inspired 3D platformer has me excited.
I'm really hoping mid-sized studios start picking up more of these consoles genres much like they revived a bunch of PC genres. The new BK inspired 3D platformer has me excited.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
a troll doesn't have to argue, a troll can also take stealth shots and give half assed assessments of there opinions to stir the pot.
KnightHart
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I like SuperBunnyHop but this video doesn't really... Offer much at all really. It feels like he's just capitalizing on the fact that PS4 and XBOne are still in what we used to consider a 'launch dry-spell' but has now gone on for much longer than it should. One of the things that bugs me about this "BUT CONSOLES HAVE NO GAMES" is that almost every time people fail to consider that the average layman gamer probably doesn't even have the option to build a gaming PC. It's narrow minded to just assume everyone should just build a PC for gaming. It shows that people still have an incredible lack of understanding when it comes to other people and how they want to enjoy playing video games.
Also it's kinda weird to review an entire console generation only 3 years in when we still have a LONG way to go.
Also it's kinda weird to review an entire console generation only 3 years in when we still have a LONG way to go.
Do you seriously comparing the currencies generation situation with 6th? The PS2 is hell lot different from many aspect and directly comparing the list with no understanding tge context of the situation at that is ignorance.
Review released on March 19th 2015, not March 2016.
Maybe the stirring is caused by kneejerk reactions from immature people who adopt an overly defensive stance about what they like and can't/won't see things from another's point of view.
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
OK, last time. He's saying the console barely has any exclusives to play. That's a fact. What's your problem with it?
KnightHart
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Well technically FF Type 0, Dragon Quest Heroes, and Yakuza 0 are all out and I own 2 of those 3 (just gonna borrow Yakuza 0 off my friend). You can also technically play FFXV and Disgaea 5 now in some shape or form. KH3 isn't a real game until it releases.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
hes not even given other potential points of views a fair review and is being defended by people who argree with him. Come on now, 8th gen console review? lol
Fbh
Member
Here is my review of the Motorola Moto G, a smartphone that has been quite sucessfull for offering good hardware at a low price:
- Screen: It's not an HTC One M8
- Hardware: It's not an HTC One M8
- Performance: It's not an HTC One M8
- Camera:It's not an HTC One M8
- Build Quality: It's not an HTC One M8
- Apps: Basically none because they all look or run better on the HTC One M8 so they don't count.
- Games: Basically none because they all look or run better on the HTC One M8 so they don't count.
Final Score 0/10
Absolute grabage.
- Screen: It's not an HTC One M8
- Hardware: It's not an HTC One M8
- Performance: It's not an HTC One M8
- Camera:It's not an HTC One M8
- Build Quality: It's not an HTC One M8
- Apps: Basically none because they all look or run better on the HTC One M8 so they don't count.
- Games: Basically none because they all look or run better on the HTC One M8 so they don't count.
Final Score 0/10
Absolute grabage.
soul creator
Member
something something all reviews are opinion pieces something something
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
They have to justify their purchase to everyone. Without the validation of others, it's possible they made a poor choice.
Also lol at people saying he has a "PC gamer superiority complex". Guess you guys have never encountered actual PC assholes.
Computers are perhaps the most widely owned "platform" in the general market. The only other comparable platform that offers games as circumstance is the iPhone, and due to what the computer market generally has on offer it can be assumed that a large majority of people will own a rig that is decently capable of playing a multiplatform in the same capacity that the PS4 can offer. "Buying" a PC is nowhere near comparable to "buying" a PS4 unless you're an enthusiast. The entire media sphere and societal structure practically assumes you can obtain a computer or a smart device whether it be for living/work purposes or entertainment purposes. A console is a novel luxury.
It's the same reason why your critique against the "Christmas" analogy doesn't work because one of the advantages that consoles have had over PC for a long, long time is being designed for plug and play mentality, which isn't really a factor anymore. Nowadays games are bundled with digital download codes, day one patches and more that serve to exacerbate the process of having to start playing. Wii U is the only current gen console fortunate enough to have a quick start option but even that console requires the occasional hoops.
Which is generally the point, many "advantages" that consoles have had are generally dwindling now that the line between PCs and consoles keep blurring, and the latter aren't exactly making a compelling case in offering something unique in ways of software or hardware.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
8th gen review......1 year 3 months into the PS4+XB1's cycle.......hahahahaa. Is this guy for real? He sounds kind of depressed as well. Is it hard for him to comprehend that there are millions of people that don't care about PC (when he's talking about the market equilibrium with the WiiU)
Compared to the PS3, I think the PS4 is doing hell of a lot better in terms of Japanese support.
Bloodborne, FF Type-0 HD, Dragon Quest Heroes, Disgaea 5, Persona 5, Ys 8, God Eater 2 Burst, J star Victory, Tokiden, FFX HD, Yakuza Ishin + 0, MGSV, Dragons Dogma Online etc
Then you have upcoming stuff like FFXV, KH3, DQ11, Level 5's PS4 game, FF Dissidia, Gravity Rush 2, The Last Guardian and its honestly painting a much better picture.
Compared to the PS3, I think the PS4 is doing hell of a lot better in terms of Japanese support.
Bloodborne, FF Type-0 HD, Dragon Quest Heroes, Disgaea 5, Persona 5, Ys 8, God Eater 2 Burst, J star Victory, Tokiden, FFX HD, Yakuza Ishin + 0, MGSV, Dragons Dogma Online etc
Then you have upcoming stuff like FFXV, KH3, DQ11, Level 5's PS4 game, FF Dissidia, Gravity Rush 2, The Last Guardian and its honestly painting a much better picture.
I usually love his videos. This one sounded like he was just pissed and had some frustration to release. The consoles aren't that bad. I have all three + my gaming pc, and I always prefer the console experience over the pc. Much easier and less to worry about. The killer apps will come. They always do. If he wasn't a fan of consoles to begin with, then he shouldn't have bought them. Especially the PS4 when most of the games are on PC anyway.
As a PC/Wii U owner, I completely agree. There's now a total of 1 game on PS4 (bloodborne) and 1 Game on XBO (Killer instinct) that i'd like to play, but not enough to pay 400~ for. Buying a PS4/XBO really only makes sense if you're a diehard fan of the exclusives already on there or if you're not big into PC gaming. In my opinion any way.
If they announce FFXV for PC, then i'll have next to no reason to ever pick up a PS4/XBO. All of the other exclusives announced so far are still not enough to get me to buy the consoles. Let's hope E3 shows me some exciting stuff this year.
If they announce FFXV for PC, then i'll have next to no reason to ever pick up a PS4/XBO. All of the other exclusives announced so far are still not enough to get me to buy the consoles. Let's hope E3 shows me some exciting stuff this year.
I did and they're good buddies of mine. Frankly speaking I couldn't care less, as a mid pc gamer and PS4 owner anyway
Zombie James
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Super Bunnyhop is an excellent channel full of great, well thought-out opinion pieces about the industry, many of which I agree with and recommend to friends. This isn't one of them. Labelling something as a review comes with certain expectations, one of which is some sort of objectivity. Instead, you get hyperbole.
As a primarily PS4 gamer I am disappointed quite a bit with PS4's exclusive output but as multiplat and download titles go I am pleased well enough, well, enough to say that PS4 early years so far trump PS3 but nowhere near as good as PS2 or PS1, and with how Mark Cerny made the system out to be I was expecting a lot better than what we got. Time to triangle is pointless measurement of game development or Sony's inhouse team are incredibly incompetent. Oh well I am in it for the long haul, PS3 was bad system at this point in its life time but by 2012 it was the best of the 3 imo. So a lot can change, it's a shame exclusives are delayed or cancelled left and right but as long as they come and are good that's all that matters, honestly a bad or mediocre game is as good as no game and Driveclub and The Order are good to pad libaray but not to show quality of games.
How do you propose making a video like this objective? Just leave it with no conclusions and tell people to get whatever they feel like? Seems like the only option to me, because you seem to think that making any kind of argument for/against something would be UN-OBJECTIVE.
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
A review is inherently subjective. How could it not be? News reporting should be objective. Critical reviews? Come on.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
really? the whole title just screams malarkey, im sorry to everyone who bought a console at launch and have so far been underwhelmed by its lack of exclusives. Wish I could own a top of the line PC gaming rig to play in the mean time when I am not critisizing the shitty consoles that I paid for. Btw the Wii U is the best, back to the PC I go.
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
entremet
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DQH are Yakuza 0 are not out in the US. He's a US Youtuber. C'mon, guys. He's not importing. That's very niche.
I think the main innovation in the PC space has been more focused towards business models, that is getting more indie and mid-sized developers away from certain publishers or other potential roadblocks, allowing them to develop passion projects of sorts. Stuff like Divinity, Book of Unwritten Tales 2, Cities Skylines, Banished, Grim Dawn, Elite Dangerous, Natural Selection 2, Legend of Grimrock 2, Shadowrun Hong Kong, Assetto Corsa, Endless Legends, Pillars of Eternity, Wargame Red Dragon etc. It was a fundamental platform in getting developers to (mostly) break away from the publisher model, and develop for the niches they wanted to develop for.
I'm looking back at the industry how it was in 2007, extremely publisher dominated, you couldn't really imagine a future with these kinds of titles without the PC market adapting like it has. Publishers largely neglected the PC market during those years, and the market corrected itself by giving other developers more direct options and business models to target their audiences.
I really want the same to happen with more console genres, if cRPGs and space sims can be revived like they have, so can collectathons and action/adventure games.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Soon enough dedicated home consoles will cease to exist and everything will be PC.
And yes, the only real next-gen leap from here on out is going to be VR/AR gaming.
I say bring it!
I mean, you're wrong but continue to live in that fantasy world anyway
What?!
Er...time to triangle is only about game developers getting things on screen in comparison to PS3 in terms of actually making games. It has nothing to do with what games actually come out. Everything has always been about easing developmental use to the point where "hopefully" game devs come calling. And so far with all the ports, that's been happening.
Yeah there arent that many exclusives, but there definitely are games, and that's what people poo pooing these consoles need to understand. PS4's library in general beats PS3's with a bat in the same general timeframe in terms of actual amount of games, and even PS2. We can debate the type of games people are into("I want core exclusive japanese games from 15 years ago!"), but that's not a fact that can change
Not a problemI mean, you're wrong but continue to live in that fantasy world anyway
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
I'm just giving some shit back to the people being so defensive in here.
We often have this discussion on GAF, whether exclusives really matter or not. Well, if you have a gaming PC I suppose they do. But then if you have a gaming PC, you should be smart enough to make an informed buying decision and not just hope some games you like will come out, or you know they'll come eventually but be prepared for some fallow periods.
If Bloodborne is a must-play game for him, then I can understand some frustration at having fewer games after that for a little while. But clearly if you have to play Bloodborne, you aren't not buying the PS4, so aren't your frustrations and complaints at least partly hollow? Yes you'd like more exclusives, but it has enough exclusives to get you in the first place, so I guess job done for Sony?
And if you're taking the long view, there will be lots of exclusives down the line. Might take a little while, with the knock on effect of Sony supporting PS3 strongly for a bit too long. But you know they'll come.
If Bloodborne is a must-play game for him, then I can understand some frustration at having fewer games after that for a little while. But clearly if you have to play Bloodborne, you aren't not buying the PS4, so aren't your frustrations and complaints at least partly hollow? Yes you'd like more exclusives, but it has enough exclusives to get you in the first place, so I guess job done for Sony?
And if you're taking the long view, there will be lots of exclusives down the line. Might take a little while, with the knock on effect of Sony supporting PS3 strongly for a bit too long. But you know they'll come.
Flachmatuch
Member
Gotta love these absolutely meaningless generalities :-D Seriously, what "context" are you talking about that I don't understand? :-D
Of course the PS2 is "different". It was more focused on games, development was much cheaper, franchise and IP dominance was much lower which is a large reason its game lineup was much better. What am I missing? Or do you prefer to remain free of substance?
Necromanti
Member
My gaming computer is far from modern anymore, but it's more than enough to at least be able to handle console-equivalent versions of games from this generation, so I would have to agree. (Not to mention all the indie games on PC.) Outside of Bloodborne and Sunset Overdrive, only the Wii U looks enticing so far.
When people say things like "The Vita has no games", it is understood by most that they don't literally mean that there are zero games available for the system. This situation is no different.
It really is bizarre. I don't know why a platform like the PC is seen as threatening to people. Its existence or modular and scalable properties that allow better performance and features don't stop anyone from enjoying a console and its games.