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Ted Kennedy has a brain tumor

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grandjedi6 said:
Does any of you understand the concept of repentance? Hasn't all the good Kennedy has done since then at least warrant you to not shit on him while he nears death?
Life is not judged by the scales of lady justice.

Ted has done great things, but he also did a despciable act that if it was done by anyone else, we would be laughing at them, and awaiting their 30 years in state pen.

The hyprocrisy here is sickening. I guran-fucking-tee if Cheney, Rove, hell Ron Paul got diagnosed people like Cheebs and Triumph would be estactic.

Good deeds don't erase bad deeds. This is not fucking sunday school
 
avatar299 said:
Life is not judged by the scales of lady justice.

Ted has done great things, but he also did a despciable act that if it was done by anyone else, we would be laughing at them, and awaiting their 30 years in state pen.

The hyprocrisy here is sickening. I guran-fucking-tee if Cheney, Rove, hell Ron Paul got diagnosed people like Cheebs and Triumph would be estactic.

Good deeds don't erase bad deeds. This is not fucking sunday school
This is a thread about him dying, not about Chappaquiddick. If we're here to eulogize him why no mention of anything else the man's done in his life? The summary of the thread is "He's dying. AND BOY DOES HE DESERVE IT!"
 
Evlar said:
This is a thread about him dying, not about Chappaquiddick. If we're here to eulogize him why no mention of anything else the man's done in his life? The summary of the thread is "He's dying. AND BOY DOES HE DESERVE IT!"
No one has stopped anyone from mentioning the good he has done, but his life is a perfect example of politicians not being held accountable for shit.
 
avatar299 said:
No one has stopped anyone from mentioning the good he has done, but his life is a perfect example of politicians not being held accountable for shit.
If you want a thread about how Teddy Kennedy is a scumbag MAKE ONE.
 
Meier said:
Again, the point is not that it was just another mistake, it's that it's a bit unfair to consider someone a horrible person forever due to one mistake they've made (regardless of how big), and it's completely inappropriate to make fucking jokes about the incident, while that person is on their deathbed, especially when the person is someone like Kennedy, who has done so many positive things for this country.

As I make clear, with the rest of my post. Reading the first line of a book and deciding what you think can often make you look like a fool.
 
Evlar said:
If you want a thread about how Teddy Kennedy is a scumbag MAKE ONE.
I agree. Why don't you find a more appropriate place to discuss the problems with accountability our society faces.
 
avatar299 said:
Life is not judged by the scales of lady justice.

Ted has done great things, but he also did a despciable act that if it was done by anyone else, we would be laughing at them, and awaiting their 30 years in state pen.

The hyprocrisy here is sickening. I guran-fucking-tee if Cheney, Rove, hell Ron Paul got diagnosed people like Cheebs and Triumph would be estactic.

Good deeds don't erase bad deeds. This is not fucking sunday school

You are right, the car incident was an awful thing and shouldn't be merely forgotten. But this is not the time nor place for that conversation.

And I don't think you have much proof that posters in this thread would be celebrating Cheney, Rove or Paul's death. Especially since the same posters didn't go after Falwell in his death thread (I can't defend Triumph though, he would totally do it)
 
RunWhiteBoyRun said:
I can agree with everything else you said, except for this.
That's true, I suppose. Some things are pretty unforgivable.

Still, the point remains, chuckling about the mistakes or putting the person who made the mistakes on trial as that person lays in bed dying of a tumor is really disgusting.
 
He will most likely have a portion of his brain removed on an operating table, unlike his brother who had his removed in the backseat of a car.
 
ToxicAdam said:
He will most likely have a portion of his brain removed on an operating table, unlike his brother who had his removed in the backseat of a car.

Are you trying to get yourself banned?
 
avatar299 said:
Ted has done great things, but he also did a despciable act that if it was done by anyone else, we would be laughing at them, and awaiting their 30 years in state pen.
That is bullsh!t. You don't get 30 years in the penn for being negligent and accidentally killing someone.

People make this out to be a bigger deal than it was. Objectively looking at it, I'd say he certainly did get off easy. But he did suffer some criminal penalties (admittedly not nearly enough). And he did settle with the Kopechne family.

If you or I did this and got nailed, we might get a few years in jail but nothing like 30 years. This was clearly a negligent act and he deserved more punishment for it. But it was clearly not intentional.

I'd say that he probably got out of a year or two of jail time (the sentence would have been longer but he'd get paroled).


Aftermath from wikipedia said:
Kopechne family response
Kopechne's parents did not allow an autopsy to be performed on their daughter.[4] They did not bring any legal action against Senator Kennedy, but they did receive a payment of $90,904 from the Senator personally and $50,000 from his insurance company.[4] The Kopechnes later explained their decision to not take legal action by saying that "We figured that people would think we were looking for blood money."[4]

[edit] Aftermath
On July 25, seven days after the incident, Kennedy entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury. He received a sentence of two months in jail, which was suspended, and lost his driving license for one year.[2] Later that day he announced on television that it was "indefensible that [he] had not reported the incident to police immediately."[5] He explained his behavior thus:

“ I was overcome, I'm frank to say, by a jumble of emotions - grief, fear, doubt, exhaustion, panic, confusion and shock.[5] ”

He denied that he had been engaged in "immoral conduct" with Kopechne, or that he had been driving under the influence of alcohol.[5] He wondered openly "whether some awful curse actually did hang over all the Kennedys".[5]

[edit] Investigations
The inquest into Kopechne's death took place in Edgartown in January 1970. At the request of Kennedy's lawyers, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ordered that it be conducted in secret.[7][8] The 763-page transcript of the inquest was released four months later.[8] Judge James A. Boyle presided at the inquest. Among Judge Boyle's conclusions were the following:

"Kopechne and Kennedy did not intend to return to Edgartown" at the time they left the party.
"Kennedy did not intend to drive to the ferry slip".
"[Kennedy]'s turn onto Dike Road was intentional".
Judge Boyle also said that "negligent driving appears to have contributed to the death of Mary Jo Kopechne".[8]

Under Massachusetts law Boyle could have ordered Kennedy's arrest, but he chose not to do so.[8] District Attorney Dinis chose not to pursue Kennedy for manslaughter, despite Judge Boyle's conclusions.

In April 1970 a Dukes County Grand Jury convened for two days to look into the drowning. Four witnesses were heard, but no indictments were issued.[9]
 
ToxicAdam said:
He will most likely have a portion of his brain removed on an operating table, unlike his brother who had his removed in the backseat of a car.

Just wow. Supreme asshole confirmed.

I feel so bad for Kennedy...hopefully he'll get the most of the the predicted life-span as possible.
 
Inflammable Slinky said:
I do have to heartily agree with the sentiment that you so do not get a free pass for the shit you did just because you are dead or dying.
A free pass, maybe not. People not pissing in your face while you descend into terminal illness? I don't think that's much to ask.

By most accounts, the person who died in the incident everyone keeps referencing was not murdered, but rather was unable to escape the submerged car that a possibly-drunk Kennedy accidentally drove into a lake. Either way, he caused someone's death, and that's terrible, but "murderer" is yet to be proven and totally inappropriate.
 
ToxicAdam said:
He will most likely have a portion of his brain removed on an operating table, unlike his brother who had his removed in the backseat of a car.

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The Chosen One said:
Why are all the politcical shows talking like he's already dead?

The survival rate of Malignant Glioma brain tumors is very low. Most die within a year and few survive longer than 2.
 
grandjedi6 said:
The survival rate of Malignant Glioma brain tumors is very low. Most die within a year and few survive longer than 2.

The rate of deterioration is one of the most difficult things to ever witness.
It's a very sad way to go.
 
Triumph said:
I'm looking forward to RFK Jr. taking Teddy's seat and sticking around for another 20+ years. I hope that there's always a Kennedy in the Senate, and I hope that it always, ALWAYS pisses off brainless conservative dickwads so much.

Also, how you guys feeling about the high probability of the GOP becoming a meaningless regional opposition party this fall? Hopefully within 10 years you'll go the way of the Whigs.

did you read the new yorker's article on the downfall of the republican party?

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/26/080526fa_fact_packer/?yrail
 
You're probably gonna be gone for a bit, too, Incognito. Can we all not get so personal?

I very much admire Ted's service in the Senate. He's a great fighter for liberal causes. I think he has displayed a disgusting attitude towards women and sex and was often a sloppy pathetic drunk. He was also a craven chickenshit when he was in a car accident (I don't believe Mary Jo could have been saved). But his life, judged as a whole, has been positive.

Also, imagine for a moment what a life is like when your oldest brother was a war hero who was probably going to be president (until he was killed), your 2nd oldest brother was president (until he was assassinated), your next oldest brother was probably going to be president (until he was assassinated), and your legacy is driving off a bridge and killing a girl.
 
ToxicAdam said:
He will most likely have a portion of his brain removed on an operating table, unlike his brother who had his removed in the backseat of a car.

Don't you have children? I'm disappointed in you dude, seriously; I always thought you were one of the better conservatives here, but good lord what the fuck is your problem today. Good riddance, and I might ban you at the other board
 
ToxicAdam said:
He will most likely have a portion of his brain removed on an operating table, unlike his brother who had his removed in the backseat of a car.

Jesus Christ, I cannot even imagine thinking of such a tasteless joke...
 
Cheebs said:
I dont care who someone is but to use a dying man to take a political swipe like Jeff did is just disgusting to me

How was that political?

I'm pretty sure his statement would have been the same regardless of Kennedy's position.




Note: I'm certainly not implying I agree with the original statement in any way.
 
ToxicAdam said:
He will most likely have a portion of his brain removed on an operating table, unlike his brother who had his removed in the backseat of a car.
I don't think I've ever agreed with a single thing you've said. But you went there, ban or not, know full well it was too soon and for that I dub thee KING BALLS OF 2008. Crowns and robes are available in the lobby whenever your ban is up.
 
onegoodlogan said:
I don't think I've ever agreed with a single thing you've said. But you went there, ban or not, know full well it was too soon and for that I dub thee KING BALLS OF 2008. Crowns and robes are available in the lobby whenever your ban is up.

Too soon?
 
Onix said:
How was that political?

I'm pretty sure his statement would have been the same regardless of Kennedy's position.




Note: I'm certainly not implying I agree with the original statement in any way.


Well, regardless if it's Kennedy or ANYONE, I think his statement was precisely correct. Of course, you could argue whether Kennedy knew what he was doing or not, but if someone is in a sinking car and leaves another person in that car unconscious and knows this, that's murder. In other words, you don't knowingly do that. What's wrong with saying that? I'd think it's a fact (please also note that I've already said I'm not going to judge Kennedy, that's for History and wiser people than I am, and I already said I wish him well, but to condemn simply stating that knowingly leaving someone to drown is wrong is... ridiculous).

I'm also not saying Kennedy did that knowingly by the way.
 
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