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[thomaser]

Source? You (?) mentioned chemicals earlier

It's on all the big Norwegian news-sites. Six were arrested and bomb technicians were sent out to investigate a site, but it probably was a false alarm and nothing was found.

 

[Jasup]

The global IUSY (International Union of Socialist Youth [of which AUF is a member]) festival starts tomorrow in Austria. Security has been ramped up there but the feeling is a bit uneasy among the participants, for obvious reasons.

 

[Ledsen]

I refuse to believe that is genuine and enforced in London.

Like I said, it's simply extremist propaganda at a bus stop.

 

[Prine]

There's nothing interesting about it, some crazy extremists put up a poster on a bus stop. There are no "sharia controlled zones".

This is what i thought, how on earth would that pass in court? Seems like a stunt.

At least post the location with that pic so we can corroborate.

 

[SneakyStephan]

It won't.

Indeed, it has way too many vowels, they'll have to shorten it first.

Spoiler

bazinga

 

[Dreams-Visions]

There's nothing interesting about it, some crazy extremists put up a poster on a bus stop. There are no "sharia controlled zones".

ah.

 

[Jasup]

This is what i thought, how on earth would that pass in court? Seems like a stunt.

'"Shariah" a better society' - is a bit of a giveaway

 

[electristan]

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7725223

Seems large portions of the manifest are copied word for word from the unabombers manifest.

He changed words like «leftism» and «leftists» to «multiculturalism» and «Cultural Communism».

another example

«When we speak of leftists in this article we have in mind mainly socialists, collectivists, "politically correct" types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists and the like»

changed to

«When we speak of cultural Marxists in this article we have in mind mainly individuals who support multiculturalism; socialists, collectivists, "politically correct" types, feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists, environmentalists etc.»

 

[Speedymanic]

This is in London. In Marseille and Paris there are some small areas that are sharia controlled

Legitimate source to back up this absurd claim? Or are you simply using that picture, that anyone could have made and put up as your only source?

Also, I see the anti multicultralists/anti Islamists are now out in aggressive mode. I wonder, when will they condemn these attacks? Or will they continue to skirt around the issue and only pop up when someone implies they might sympathize with this terrorist.

 

[SmokyDave]

Take that shit somewhere else, it has no place in this thread. Tack.

Either Collie Entragian got a GAF account or you mean 'tact'.

 

[Ledsen]

Either Collie Entragian got a GAF account or you mean 'tact'.

It's Swedish for "thanks".

 

[Keru_Shiri]

My heart goes out to all of those affected by the attack. I really hope for the best for the families and loved ones of the victims.

Largely unrelated to the thread, but I live in a state here in the US where virtually all of that stuff is banned either at the state or county level anyway. We just recently got gambling legalized, but don't play your music too loud!

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you remove the "Sharia" description, there would be virtually nothing out of place on this sign if you posted it in the parts of the nation that are most worried about "turrists." I know there's more to Sharia law than that, just something I found ironic.

 

[storafötter]

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.7725223

Seems large portions of the manifest are copied word for word from the unabombers manifest.

He changed words like «leftism» and «leftists» to «multiculturalism» and «Cultural Communism».

another example

changed to

Yeah I heard that, I guess its still plausible that much of the planning and tips he gives is a lot from his own doing. The ideological and political aspects should be obviously inspired and taken from other places.

 

[Ledsen]

Stop quoting the sharia propaganda poster, some people probably think it's real.

 

[Prine]

'"Shariah" a better society' - is a bit of a giveaway

lol yeah, i'll drive down right now to find out, please post locations of these zones in London.

 

[Zeliard]

Don't mind that garbage. Extremists put the poster up. It's meaningless and posted here by a guy with an obvious agenda. Of course there are no Sharia-controlled zones in London. It's absurd.

 

[SmokyDave]

Stop quoting the sharia propaganda poster, some people probably think it's real.

It is real. It isn't sanctioned by any authority, but it is real. Similar anti-gay posters have been sighted too.

It's no different to any other extremist propaganda but it is real and it is relevant.

 

[meadowrag]

Largely unrelated to the thread, but I live in a state here in the US where virtually all of that stuff is banned either at the state or county level anyway. We just recently got gambling legalized, but don't play your music too loud!

I guess what I'm trying to say is, if you remove the "Sharia" description, there would be virtually nothing out of place on this sign if you posted it in the parts of the nation that are most worried about "turrists." I know there's more to Sharia law than that, just something I found ironic.

"Virtually nothing"?
Where the hell do you live?
Concerts, porn, alcohol and smoking are illegal in your state?

 

[Sebastard]

Its just not music banned or gamling. Its much worse than that. Its forcing women wearing headscarfs, banning non-muslims and homosexuals from visiting the area. Threatening and using violence to remove these elements.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rgeting-women-gays-bid-impose-sharia-law.html

I dont think that is especially nice.

 

[Ledsen]

It is real. It isn't sanctioned by any authority, but it is real. Similar anti-gay posters have been sighted too.

It's no different to any other extremist propaganda but it is real and it is relevant.

The poster implied that it marked an actual "sharia controlled zone" in London, which is complete bullshit. Obviously it's a real propaganda poster, but that is not why it was posted.

 

[SmokyDave]

The poster implied that it marked an actual "sharia controlled zone" in London, which is complete bullshit. Obviously it's a real propaganda poster, but that is not why it was posted.

Well, it's not really complete bullshit. Ignore the Daily Mail article that Sebastard posted and look for the original investigation carried out by the Sunday Times.

 

[Jasup]

Don't mind that garbage. Extremists put the poster up. It's meaningless and posted here by a guy with an obvious agenda. Of course there are no Sharia-controlled zones in London. It's absurd.

It's absurd, most of us don't believe it, but amongst us there are always few who'll take the bait - usually the ones who are predispositioned to think a certain way about issues, i.e. people with confirmation bias.

The strongest weapon amongst populist arsenal is doubt.




edit: gosh, I'm slow today... comes with the drinking I suppose.

 

[Ledsen]

Its just not music banned or gamling. Its much worse than that. Its forcing women wearing headscarfs, banning non-muslims and homosexuals from visiting the area. Threatening and using violence to remove these elements.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rgeting-women-gays-bid-impose-sharia-law.html

I dont think that is especially nice.

How many forums have you tried to infect with your bullshit? How many have seen through your thinly veiled hatred? All of them (quoting Daily Mail should be a pretty big tip-off) except Flashback, I'd wager. So go back and be with your equals.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Those posters are like a sort of neighbourhood watch street "vigilante" thing. I was reading about them in the Guardian, for example a quote was some guy bought a beer and was drinking it on his way home from work and and was confronted by a gang who hassled him into getting rid of it. Petty, stupid stuff but it's only street gangs, not the law. The law will probably come down on them if they take it too far.

 

[tfur]

What was that Norwegian word that was used to describe the extended prison time, for if the person is deemed unsafe for society. Someone mentioned it earlier. It started with an "f" I believe. I would like to look into that a bit.

 

[storafötter]

What was that Norwegian word that was used to describe the extended prison time, for if the person is deemed unsafe for society. Someone mentioned it earlier. It started with an "f" I believe. I would like to look into that a bit.

forvaring

 

[Combichristoffersen]

What was that Norwegian word that was used to describe the extended prison time, for if the person is deemed unsafe for society. Someone mentioned it earlier. It started with an "f" I believe. I would like to look into that a bit.

Forvaring.

Basically it's a kind of imprisonment where the period of time you have to be incarcerated can be extended an unlimited number of times, which basically means you might spend the rest of your life in prison if you're deemed as potentially dangerous and a threat to society, or if the court finds it likely that you might commit more serious crimes.

 

[SmokyDave]

It's absurd, most of us don't believe it, but amongst us there are always few who'll take the bait - usually the ones who are predispositioned to think a certain way about issues, i.e. people with confirmation bias.

The strongest weapon amongst populist arsenal is doubt.




edit: gosh, I'm slow today... comes with the drinking I suppose.

Whereas you're immune from confirmation bias and yet seem able to reject evidence with an effete wave of the hand because it doesn't suit what you want to believe?

The mainstream news have reported on these 'zones'. Are you accusing the Times and the Guardian of fabricating news?

 

[Corky]

Sebastard

Have you learned nothing from this terrible event? :S

 

[Keru_Shiri]

"Virtually nothing"?
Where the hell do you live?
Concerts, porn, alcohol and smoking are illegal in your state?

Arkansas, and yes, what is not illegal is heavily taboo, marginalized, and frowned upon. I have the luxury of living in a college town, so it's not so bad here, but the rest of the state (outside of the larger towns) isn't far from seeing signs like this a reality. I didn't notice the sign said porn, but prostitution is illegal. And hell, there have been motions to outlaw pornography here as well.

As for smoking, weed is illegal, I'm not even sure if it can be obtained for medicinal uses, and even the smoking of tobacco is restricted to a handful of places (look up what I believe is called the Arkansas Clean Air Act).

Concerts are about the only thing that is out of place on this sign.

 

[tfur]

Thanks!

 

[jaxword]

You actually think there are "Sharia-controlled zones" in London?

Not really (I don't live there so I have no idea either way), but Sebastard seemed to think so, so I wanted to see where he got that idea.

 

[Prine]

Its just not music banned or gamling. Its much worse than that. Its forcing women wearing headscarfs, banning non-muslims and homosexuals from visiting the area. Threatening and using violence to remove these elements.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rgeting-women-gays-bid-impose-sharia-law.html

I dont think that is especially nice.

Dailymail and London Taliban?

White Chapel? I was there yesterday around 2am, i saw many drunk men and women stumbling around going about their business.

I assure you muslims will be against this anyway, and these are acts of troublesome idiots that muslims try to disassociate themselves from. Its just as much a problem as racists are to white people, some nut - most likely Anjam men/followers.

There is no such thing as controlled zone, and your playing to paranoia and fear that is typical of readers of dailymail.

 

[Sebastard]

How many forums have you tried to infect with your bullshit? How many have seen through your thinly veiled hatred? All of them (quoting Daily Mail should be a pretty big tip-off) except Flashback, I'd wager. So go back and be with your equals.

Seriously what is your problem? I dont think its OK when certain areas are non-religious, non-gay, non-women friendly. It doesnt matter if its christians, muslims, white supremacy, blacks or whatever controlling it.

I am myself a 2generation immigrant from South America living in Sweden. I am an atheist and bisexual. Do you think I want zones in my town that I cant enter because its some religious thugs that control it and want to terrorize people with their ideology?

Why is the left so afraid of critics of extreme islam?

 

[Jasup]

Whereas you're immune from confirmation bias and yet seem able to reject evidence with an effete wave of the hand because it doesn't suit what you want to believe?

The mainstream news have reported on these 'zones'. Are you accusing the Times and the Guardian of fabricating news?

Ok, I looked into it. There are those zones, but they are set up by local islamist groups, not enforced by the authorities? Are they?

 

[subversus]

Was this guy posted?

He's a former military man.

When he heard gunshots he jumped onto his boat and went to the island. He managed to save 30 people.

 

[Prine]

Whereas you're immune from confirmation bias and yet seem able to reject evidence with an effete wave of the hand because it doesn't suit what you want to believe?

The mainstream news have reported on these 'zones'. Are you accusing the Times and the Guardian of fabricating news?

Police will take these loons out if they become a nuisance.

There's a pub opposite the Mosque there for godsakes.

 

[Speedymanic]

Whereas you're immune from confirmation bias and yet seem able to reject evidence with an effete wave of the hand because it doesn't suit what you want to believe?

The mainstream news have reported on these 'zones'. Are you accusing the Times and the Guardian of fabricating news?

Sources?

I've only been able to find the following on these 'zones'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/mar/03/religion-islam

I'd be very interested to know where these 'zones' in London are so I can personally test if they are really are no go areas or just the misguided ranting of crazy folk.

 

[Majine]

Was this guy posted?

He's a former military man.

When he heard gunshots he jumped onto his boat and went to the island. He managed to save 30 people.

Now that's a man. Also, you can tell by the beard.

 

[SmokyDave]

Ok, I looked into it. There are those zones, but they are set up by local islamist groups, not enforced by the authorities? Are they?

Indeed. As I said, they're not sanctioned by any official authority but they do, factually, exist. Any attempt to pretend otherwise without evidence is proof of confirmation bias or an agenda, IMO.

 

[subversus]

Now that's a man. Also, you can tell by the beard.

forgot to add the link

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,776287,00.html

http://www3.lastampa.it/esteri/sezioni/articolo/lstp/412832/

 

[DECK'ARD]

Seriously what is your problem? I dont think its OK when certain areas are non-religious, non-gay, non-women friendly. It doesnt matter if its christians, muslims, white supremacy, blacks or whatever controlling it.

I am myself a 2generation immigrant from South America living in Sweden. I am an atheist and homosexual. Do you think I want zones in my town that I cant enter because its some religious thugs that control it and want to terrorize people with their ideology?

Why is the left so afraid of critics of extreme islam?

You are getting a very warped view of London from reading the Daily Mail.

Next you'll be referring to it as Londonistan.

 

[Sipowicz]

It is real. It isn't sanctioned by any authority, but it is real. Similar anti-gay posters have been sighted too.

It's no different to any other extremist propaganda but it is real and it is relevant.

yep. london has a big problem with islamic extremists. i believe al ot of them settled there in the 90's thanks to the government's "tolerance" for murderers and terrorists

but the person who posted the picture implied it was an official, government regulated thing. not a poster put up by islamic extremists in an attempt to intimidate people

you can draw your own conclusions as to why he did that. me? i think he did it to evoke sympathy and empathy for poor, poor Anders Behring Breivik.

like i said earlier, as disgusting as we may see this the murderer, there are those who will feel some sense of kinship with him

 

[Joel Was Right]

Indeed. As I said, they're not sanctioned by any official authority but they do, factually, exist. Any attempt to pretend otherwise without evidence is proof of confirmation bias or an agenda, IMO.

In europe we have immigrants from all over the world. But it is always Islam that is focused on. Why? Because it is so different to western culture that it becomes distinctive to the others.

It has medievel views on women. How they should dress, having burkas, covering hairs, not partying. It could be how hallal food must be on the menu, having gender apartheid public baths and so on.

This is in London. In Marseille and Paris there are some small areas that are sharia controlled

A google image search show this popping up predominantly on anti-Islam websites. It just looks like a printed out leaflet someome made up. 'Islamic rules enforced?'. That isn't even theologically possible in non-Muslim states. Where are these Shariah enforced areas in London exactly?

 

[Zeliard]

Seriously what is your problem? I dont think its OK when certain areas are non-religious, non-gay, non-women friendly. It doesnt matter if its christians, muslims, white supremacy, blacks or whatever controlling it.

I am myself a 2generation immigrant from South America living in Sweden. I am an atheist and homosexual. Do you think I want zones in my town that I cant enter because its some religious thugs that control it and want to terrorize people with their ideology?

Why is the left so afraid of critics of extreme islam?

It's called a police matter. Who deals with thugs and vandalism? The police do. Posting extremist propaganda and implying this somehow speaks for Islam is lunacy; worse, some will see that poster and think there are actual mandated Sharia zones, which essentially does the propaganda's work for it. Extremists are shitty people in all their stripes and colors.

 

[Sebastard]

you can draw your own conclusions as to why he did that. me? i think he did it to evoke sympathy and empathy for poor, poor Anders Behring Breivik.

like i said earlier, as disgusting as we may see this the murderer, there are those who will feel some sense of kinship with him

This is crazy. I just think its wrong that there are zones in big european cities that threats and intimidates people who dont fit their own little world. It doesnt matter if that is some crazy KKK guy not wanting non-whites, or religious fanatics, or homophobes etc.

Of course I am against all type of violence.

 

[Jasup]

Indeed. As I said, they're not sanctioned by any official authority but they do, factually, exist. Any attempt to pretend otherwise without evidence is proof of confirmation bias or an agenda, IMO.

Well if it isn't sanctioned by law or the authorities they should not exist and should be taken out.

The plaque is still bullshit either way: '"Shariah" a better society' is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard.


edit: any religion based justice system is absurd.

 

[F#A#Oo]

The poster is real and are used in east London...but it's not enforced by government or anything it's just what some silly muslims have put up in their local community...

Some people who are caught get fined...

 

[Always-honest]

In europe we have immigrants from all over the world. But it is always Islam that is focused on. Why? Because it is so different to western culture that it becomes distinctive to the others.

It has medievel views on women. How they should dress, having burkas, covering hairs, not partying. It could be how hallal food must be on the menu, having gender apartheid public baths and so on.

This is in London. In Marseille and Paris there are some small areas that are sharia controlled

That surely can't be true.

The poster is real...but it's not enforced by government or anything it's just what some silly muslims have put up in their local community...

Some people who are caught get fined...

See, this is what could infuriate certain people

 

[Sebastard]

A google image search show this popping up predominantly on anti-Islam websites. It just looks like a printed out leaflet someome made up. 'Islamic rules enforced?'. That isn't even theologically possible in non-Muslim states. Where are these Shariah enforced areas in London exactly?

Its in Mission Grove and Carisbrooke Road in eastern london.