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The Aluminum Strip Under the Amiibo...
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Dr. Black Jack
Member
Nintendo did think of this from the start, and they realized that it would be dumb as fuck to let people wander in and use/deface their paid products with a 3DS without buying them.
The Dutch Slayer
Member
We already had a thread about this and that is very sad since skylanders are able to do this.
Now I have to buy some double
Now I have to buy some double
Zen_Arcade
Banned
Again, read my posts carefully. I'm not talking about thinking of the packaging from the start, I'm talking about thinking about the design of the Amiibos themselves to where this issue with the packaging is even a problem in the first place.
If Nintendo designed their product like Skylanders figures and made you re-scan them, the issue of people running in with their 3DS and scanning every thing wouldn't be an issue in the first place.
They wanted to avoid the rescanning I bet. The 3DS is a portable console. You're not going to want to have to drag your Amiibo with you everywhere you take your 3DS
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
And now you're having another problem - that is the amiibo should always be on the reader. That doesn't work that way. It is designed for ease of use in a sense on how a product is normally used.
While it is harsh, the stuff said on OP are legitimate points against him. The fact that he doesn't even consider about "value" going up when opened packages exist should be a telltale.
I'm not even into amiibos and I find the drama surrounding about it hilarious.
The problem with that is that it makes the figures a pain-in-the-ass for what is intended to be the majority of the audience of the figures, who'll actually have no problem opening the packaging in order to use them, in service of a minority who want to keep the things in the boxes either the maintain their appearances or to theoretically resell them if they become rare or valuable.
Of course, you are quite entitled to complain about the fact that, in some games, the Amiibo functionality is something as simple as scanning it once in order to unlock something, but, hey, you are entitled to that opinion. Honestly, for something as dopey as, say, an extra weapon in Hyrule Warriors, I'd rather unlock it by scanning a toy I can actually get some use out of in other products (or at least Smash) than pay for something as small as that paid DLC, but whatever.
(and, for what it's worth, is it even true that you can use all the functionality of the other toy-to-life game figures without removing them from the packaging? I could have sworn that I'd heard that, for at least some of the Infinity stuff, there are some sets where it's impossible not to have to open them. That might have been playset powerdisks or something, though)
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I guess, but Disney Infinity and Skylanders both have portable games as well and still work the way they do.
Look, I'm not saying anyone has to agree that Nintendo should have designed Amiibos a different way, that's all opinions, I'm just pointing out that other companies have taken these issues into account when designing their products and that the complaints that Nintendo didn't are perfectly legitimate ones even if you might not agree with them.
People in here are saying dumb shit like "Yeah well I have to open my video games before I play them too." when Nintendo's competition already makes what OP wants an option. I'm sure if a bunch of companies made it possible to play a game without opening it that it would cause a shitstorm on GAF when one publisher opts out of it because they wanted to design their game a different way. And there sure as fuck wouldn't be people in here going "Just buy two if you want to keep one in the shrink wrap." But for some reason because it's toy figures people are pretending like what OP wants is some kind of dream situation that has never been fathomed before.
Glitchesarecool
Member
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you still have to carry around the wireless Portal for Skylanders on the 3DS? I would assume the same thing applies to Infinity.
As someone who lives in a country where a disney infinity statue costs more than 30 dollars, I am really happy that most games only need a one time scan of amiibos, since I can buy one or 2 and scan my friend's amiibos
In this case, however, the alternative is that Nintendo releases a less interesting and flexible product in service of a minority of people who are holding the product with a collectors mentality.
The Infinity and Skylanders toys get away with this because they both only work with the one game where having the toys omnipresent whilst playing is acceptable - there is nothing you can just scan and keep permanently. Nintendo, on the other hand, are releasing a product which is potentially, for each figure you have, giving you value-added functionality across multiple products. It's intended as a more flexible and wider-ranging product line than either Skylanders or Infinity. Whilst they are both toys, they aren't actually directly comparable products in what they do, even if they are both things you scan into your game to activate functionality.
What you are actually saying in your posts is, because some collectors and profiteers want to retain their toys in the original packaging, unopened, Nintendo should reduce the functionality of their product to things where the added functionality is unavailable unless you have the toy present at all times, or is impractical to the majority of users because they have to scan the thing every time they want to use it? You are entitled to your opinion, but, honestly, I think it's kind of unreasonable to expect Nintendo to limit the functionality of their product on the basis that, what they likely consider to be, a small portion of it's audience want to be anal about it's condition.
This isn't to mention the fact that, frankly, I don't really want to have to have a dopey USB portal to hook up to my WiiU every time I want to scan an Amiibo, and I sure as heck don't want to have to decommission my Gamepad just so I can have something sat on their permanently.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
This is just about the most whiny whining thread I've ever seen.
That's not even thread shitting, it's just an unavoidable conclusion. Upset that you can't play with a plastic toy while it's still in the package? This is absurd.
Glitchesarecool
Member
For Skylanders it was. I'll admit to doing it when Ninjini was ultra rare and I could sell them on Ebay for $60 a pop.
Scalpers maybe more than collectors.
No and IIRC you must register your amiibo, so unlockables are only for your console.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah you need the portal.
I was thinking more about when you bring your amiibo character to a friends house for multiplayer smash bros
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah I think you can. Technically though you bring over an AI.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I too want to know this. Sure it's reasonable to want to not have people bring their 3DS and taking the data. But is it possible for people to rip the NFC data anyways? Because if that's possible, that's might be an issue.
Iorv3th
Member
You keep using the word collectors. If you are a collector then buy 2 or don't use it. I have bought video games and kept them sealed for 'collection' sake, I can't play them unless I buy another copy or take them out of the shrink wrap. It's a decision you have to make. There is no argument to make.
It's also pretty odd that you are arguing that Nintendo should have made these figures function in the exact same way as Skylanders....
But you'd still have to open the package to use it, thus nullifying the 'potential value' of the AMiibo.
Really, this whole argument is ridiculous...
tensuke
Member
Given the technology involved, it makes sense that they don't want you turning them back in unopened while still using the code or using a 3DS to use them in-store. If you want to collect it, but also use it, buy 2. That's how it's always worked with everything. They're not even that expensive.
If it didn't come in shit blister packaging, I wouldn't care as much, because I could put it "back in the box" and have it display well.
I have this same problem with how WotC sells M:tG pre-constructed decks now -- I used to keep them for casual play with friends, but you can't store them in the packaging they come with because they don't come in a 'deck box' but in some gaudy oversized package (so they could throw some stupid booster packs in) that you can't reseal/close, and now I have to buy plastic deck boxes to store them. So I have several sets worth of pre-constructed decks that come in nice, themed labeled boxes and then for the last few years I've had to put them in generic containers and had to write up a reference key so I know which sets/decks are in which containers.
I mean it's not the end of the world -- as much as I'd like to keep them in a 'collectable' condition, that's not why I'm getting them -- but it's annoying as fuck.
Edit: Of course, the other #firstworldproblem is now I have to decide /which/ ones I want to double-dip on because I sure as shit am not double-dipping on all of them... I was originally hoping to experiment and see which ones I liked as AI buddies before picking an amiibo main.
I have this same problem with how WotC sells M:tG pre-constructed decks now -- I used to keep them for casual play with friends, but you can't store them in the packaging they come with because they don't come in a 'deck box' but in some gaudy oversized package (so they could throw some stupid booster packs in) that you can't reseal/close, and now I have to buy plastic deck boxes to store them. So I have several sets worth of pre-constructed decks that come in nice, themed labeled boxes and then for the last few years I've had to put them in generic containers and had to write up a reference key so I know which sets/decks are in which containers.
I mean it's not the end of the world -- as much as I'd like to keep them in a 'collectable' condition, that's not why I'm getting them -- but it's annoying as fuck.
Edit: Of course, the other #firstworldproblem is now I have to decide /which/ ones I want to double-dip on because I sure as shit am not double-dipping on all of them... I was originally hoping to experiment and see which ones I liked as AI buddies before picking an amiibo main.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
This is such a non-issue that the thread should've been closed hundreds of posts ago.
No, you don't (need to carry it around).
You scan the figure and it stays on the game. You only need the portal the send the newest data to it. Swap-Force, Trap Team and the (only) Disney Infinity 3DS game allowed you to scan and have all figures with you at all times too.
The first 2 Skylanders games only allowed 2 figures at the same time; stored in one game.
They are actually cheaper than that and still horribly overpriced.
test_account
XP-39C²
Cant you just open the package carefully, take out the figure, use it and put it back in the box again? If there was a way to remove the aluminium strip without opening the box, it would be possible to check if the strip had been removed or not, so its not like a solution like this would do much for the collection value. I mean, then people could see if the strip had been removed or not, and if the strip is removed, then that item would basically be the same as an opened product in terms of collection value, i would say.
EDIT: I just noticed that the box is a blister pack. I thought that the Amiibo figures came in a small cartboard box for some reason. Then it would be hard to close the box again, indeed.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
No, you don't (need to carry it around).
You scan the figure and it stays on the game. You only need the portal the send the newest data to it. Swap-Force, Trap Team and the (only) Disney Infinity 3DS game allowed you to scan and have all figures with you at all times too.
The first 2 Skylanders games only allowed 2 figures at the same time; stored in one game.
huh, interesting then
test_account
XP-39C²
But if you open the box carefully, it would still look new, wouldnt it? I never seen an Amiibo box in real life, but i imagine that it wont be much of a problem to open and close it.^ For me, it's more about display aesthetics than actually collectible value. If they came in packaging that remained quite display-friendly once opened, I wouldn't care as much as I do now.
EDIT: I just noticed that the box is a blister pack. I thought that the Amiibo figures came in a small cartboard box for some reason. Then it would be hard to close the box again, indeed.
I have gone through this adventure with this style of packaging on a few occasions. I still have my Suikoden ones, for example, and they look like ass despite being 'carefully' opened -- they don't stay flush, for one, and the way the background art runs behind the plastic just makes it look terrible.
I couldn't keep them in the package (mind you the way the figures were packaged doesn't exactly make them suitable for display that way).
stan423321
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of those kinds of boxes you literally cannot open without ripping, specifically to prevent shady reselling.
They come in blister packs. Basically it's a plastic shell thats been welded together. This is nearly impossible.
test_account
XP-39C²
Ah, for some reason i thought that the box was like a small cartboard box with a lid on it, my mistake, sorry. I just searched on Google for the Amiibo Box and i see that its a "un-closable" box indeed. Then i see the issue regarding that.
EDIT:
Yeah, i just noticed. I thought that they came in a small cartboard box for some reason.
Princess Viola
Member
toys are meant to be taken out of the plastic prisons anyway
free the prisoners!!!
free the prisoners!!!
If Nintendo Amiibos are scan once only, why not just start an Amiibo trading ring or something among known collectors? You could even start a GAF thread about it.
Basically collectors buy pristine figures and either everyone buys an extra one here or there, or one person bites the bullet and buys an extra set for the entire thread (which they were going to have to do if they want a pristine and usable set anyways).
Then you ship either the entire figure or just rip the base off and ship that in a standard envelope for cheap (and to prevent one person reselling them). You can do swaps or do a long chain of "this person needs to ship to this person, etc". Annoying, sure, but seems doable.
Basically collectors buy pristine figures and either everyone buys an extra one here or there, or one person bites the bullet and buys an extra set for the entire thread (which they were going to have to do if they want a pristine and usable set anyways).
Then you ship either the entire figure or just rip the base off and ship that in a standard envelope for cheap (and to prevent one person reselling them). You can do swaps or do a long chain of "this person needs to ship to this person, etc". Annoying, sure, but seems doable.
This is a lot harder and more expensive than just buying a second one, it seems.
eh? all the effort thats been spent is adding a lil bit of foil...