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The Chinese Room accuses CD Projekt Red of making sexist games

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...Could she do so without so flagrantly inviting the male gaze? Of course! And it would behoove the Witcher to include more female characters doing just that. But scrubbing all male-gaze inviting characters isn't clearly the answer to the problem of art reinforcing sexism. Are only physically unappealing women capable of agency? Obviously not. So, to the extent that art mirrors real life, it should be able to represent attractive and unattractive characters with equal depth and richness, and a reasonably thoughtful consumer of art should be able to engage with different layers of characterization in different ways irrespective of their friendliness to male gaze.
This, absolutely. Been trying to say basically this all night. Great post.
 

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And we get the arguments porn causes young males to want to treat their partners like the pornos. Education has to exist to teach moral practices alongside said entertainment videos without pushing said videos into categories and ostracizing them. Like it or not some porn, and porn actors are all consenting and enjoy their lines of work.

As I said to the poster above living in a world of fear where sane people cannot enjoy media because of the whackjobs is as bad as saying we can't live our lives normally due to terrorists. Fear is a worthless tool. Education and teaching openly is the key to success.
Lol why would you even bring porn into this. That industry is habitually tied to abuse of prostitutes and other vulnerable women.

Despite *some* being very enthusiastic participants, the entire industry is predicated on abuse of women who are almost exclusively sexually abused in their youth, have very low self-worth, and have very weak economic power.

For the one pornstar who very much enjoys her work, and gets paid decently, there are probably 10 or 100 women on and off camera who end up there for much more complicated social reasons.

Stretching that topic anywhere near Witcher 3 is stupid at best.
My fairly old-school, de Beauvoirian feminist take on this:

Much of the concern over "male gaze" is that it objectifies women, and any objectification is taken by some to be irredeemable.

But this is obviously an oversimplification. Physical sexual interaction has a fundamental/inescapable element of objectification. Sex happens between two bodies, and the specific mechanical interactions between them are important.

There are all sorts of ways that sex can be abstracted and the more specific physical elements veiled, and all sorts of complicated and potentially rich cultural and emotional factors that may be related, but sexual attraction exerts a pull toward interacting with a body as an object.

There's nothing inherently "problematic" about this pull, its a biological endowment as a certain brand of chordate animal, and no amount of hand-wringing or self castigation can scrub this from the species.

Where we run into problems is in treating other people wholly as objects -- that is, denying that they are a subjective self with thoughts/feelings/goals/agency that are just as real, important, and unassailable as our own. When we let our desire to treat another as an object override our sense of their own valid agency, that's a problem. So if a man lets a woman's physical characteristics, and their specificity to his own interest in treating her as an object, rule his conception of her, yes, he's being sexist.

Does inviting "male gaze" in art automatically presuppose this type of sexism? I'd say not necessarily. Yes, presenting women as appealing visual objects may reinforce sexist habits of mind, and the ways in which women are used in media often do just this. But adults should be able to entertain multiple representations of an imaginary character that operate on multiple levels.

The cards in Witcher 1 would be, I think, a strong case of a fundamentally sexist approach to female representation. Although some of those characters are richly portrayed in the game, they are reduced to their physical affordances when rendered as sexual "collectibles."

But take Yennefer in W3. She is certainly inviting to the male gaze. But is her character reduced to just that, functionally? From her many roles in the world of the Witcher (friend, mother figure, romantic partner, political power broker, etc.) and the multiple ways these can play out, and from the subtle depictions of complex emotional ties between her and Geralt that may make her a sympathetic character wholly separate from her bust/hemline (consider the great discussion on the mountain-top boat), I'd argue that she is not reduced to a simply representational object. She invites consideration as a multidimensional agent in the fictional world in which she exists.

Could she do so without so flagrantly inviting the male gaze? Of course! And it would behoove the Witcher to include more female characters doing just that. But scrubbing all male-gaze inviting characters isn't clearly the answer to the problem of art reinforcing sexism. Are only physically unappealing women capable of agency? Obviously not. So, to the extent that art mirrors real life, it should be able to represent attractive and unattractive characters with equal depth and richness, and a reasonably thoughtful consumer of art should be able to engage with different layers of characterization in different ways irrespective of their friendliness to male gaze.

None of this is to say that many designers of consumer art don't go overboard in uncritically using male gaze bait to get attention/sales. This type of representation is potentially harmful on a societal level, both in driving male entitlement and in enforcing in women a false sense that their primary value is as visual object (as someone with a young daughter growing up in this bizarre and cruel world, I'm very sensitive to these issues). But including an overtly sexually attractive woman in a game does not presuppose sexism.
Good post.
 

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Lol why would you even bring porn into this. That industry is habitually tied to abuse of prostitutes and other vulnerable women.

Despite *some* being very enthusiastic participants, the entire industry is predicated on abuse of women who are almost exclusively sexually abused in their youth, have very low self-worth, and have very weak economic power.

For the one pornstar who very much enjoys her work, and gets paid decently, there are probably 10 or 100 women on and off camera who end up there for much more complicated social reasons.

Stretching that topic anywhere near Witcher 3 is stupid at best.
Good post.
Because people started talking about moral life lessons and how people in the real world take their advice from a videogame about how it's acceptable to behave. I wanted to bring in the comparison the porn industry gets to predominantly males in the real world wanting to treat partners as they see in acting. Then show how many can watch porn and still remain morally just. It is education, parenting and so forth that should deliver life and moral lessons, not entertainment.
 

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They don't have to do that, but whatever they choose in a case like this won't be motivated by real world history.

Making licensed games published within a system with fairly strict content guidelines probably isn't the best place for someone who needs to have complete creative freedom.
As far as such limitations go, they really wouldn't have to sacrifice much and it would be better for everyone if the game itself treated everyone equally, despite the quirks of its setting.
The Witcher games kinda do the opposite - their female leads are generally treated equally within its setting, but they're viewed through the games' blatantly objectifying lens.
The problem with treating everyone equally is that it's not realistic. Not everyone is treated the same. At least that's what I understand from what you're writing (English is not my native language, so I apologize).
 

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Because people started talking about moral life lessons and how people in the real world take their advice from a videogame about how it's acceptable to behave.
So we're gonna talk about how porn treats women alright?

OK. You go do that.

By posting in this discussion you are putting your own stamp on what you think is right and what is wrong, so don't pretend you're any different from the people you're arguing with, except just with a different opinion on how to police morality.
 

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I honestly don't think TW3 is particularly sexist...it obviously has 'problems' related to the fact that it's intended audience is straight males and the pandering is pretty intense but in terms of the actual content there seem to be plenty of places where gender roles are examined and upended without feeling crass or sexist
 

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I enjoyed both of these companies games, but this is ridicuolous. The witcher was hardly sexist, everyone got their dues in those games. And just because the ad company gamestop uses decided to use a scatily clad woman in the thumbnail suddenly cdpr is sexist?
 

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Could she do so without so flagrantly inviting the male gaze? Of course! And it would behoove the Witcher to include more female characters doing just that. But scrubbing all male-gaze inviting characters isn't clearly the answer to the problem of art reinforcing sexism. Are only physically unappealing women capable of agency? Obviously not. So, to the extent that art mirrors real life, it should be able to represent attractive and unattractive characters with equal depth and richness, and a reasonably thoughtful consumer of art should be able to engage with different layers of characterization in different ways irrespective of their friendliness to male gaze.
This sounds like a strawman to me. The male gaze is not fundamentally about whether a character is attractive or not. It's about how they are presented. Yennefer and Cerys are good examples of Witcher 3 characters. But then there's characters who have half their tits flopping around for basically no reason.

The Witcher 3 pretty much spans the spectrum of good, subtle female characterization to blatant pandering and objectification. That's why this game in particular gets people so touchy. One person might point to a well-developed woman wearing standard armor and say, "Witcher 3 gets it right." Another would point to Ves and say, "Really, Witcher?" And they'd both be right, for their particular instances.
 

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So we're gonna talk about how porn treats women alright?

OK. You go do that.
If by mentioning I said some women you are getting triggered then okay. I have watched many videos about the porn industry, and a few documentaries and I know it is vastly filled with morally incomprehensible stuff and abuse. I'm allowed to speak the truth but, and factually, even if it's a handful of people like it or not some do enjoy the line of work - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBZJLomEiwc That video would probably be a good watch for many in here.

It is quite clear though what the main point of my reply to that poster was. Entertainment is not the poster boy for moral life teaching, nor should it be. You're severely damaging your adult growth if you look to videogames to teach you about how to be an adult and treat others.
 

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Lol get over yourself. Speak the truth? What kind of twilight zone is this? If you don't realize that is an opinion, nobody can help you.

No, the fact is you originally phrased it as if "only morality police people" claim porn is bad. Because you seem to have a problem with people of differing opinions on what is right and wrong.

And that is your opinion of what art is and what it should be. You think art exists in a vacuum, good for you.

To others art reflects real life and is part of the culture and real world. Shocking, I know.
 

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Lol get over yourself. Speak the truth? What kind of twilight zone is this? If you don't realize that is an opinion, nobody can help you.

And that is your opinion of what art is and what it should be.

To others art reflects real life and is part of the culture and real world. Shocking, I know.
It's my opinion education, science, non-fictional books and parenting are far more powerful than art/entertainment for learning, yeah. I'm happy to walk away from you telling me to get over myself believing those are far better ways to learn than a dualshock 4 and an M/18 rated game.
 
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If by mentioning I said some women you are getting triggered then okay. I have watched many videos about the porn industry, and a few documentaries and I know it is vastly filled with morally incomprehensible stuff and abuse. I'm allowed to speak the truth but, and factually, even if it's a handful of people like it or not some do enjoy the line of work - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBZJLomEiwc

It is quite clear though what the main point of my reply to that poster was. Entertainment is not the poster boy for moral life teaching, nor should it be. You're severely damaging your adult growth if you look to videogames to teach you about how to be an adult and treat others.
Woof that YouTube channel. Now your comments in this thread make sense.
 

potatohead

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What is this kid even talking about anymore. Best places to learn?

Yes, everyone who disagreed with you said they should get their sexual education from Witcher 3.

That's exactly what happened. Lol.

Why did I even bother to reply to this tardo jeez.
 

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Entertainment is not the poster boy for moral life teaching, nor should it be. You're severely damaging your adult growth if you look to videogames to teach you about how to be an adult and treat others.
But that's not what anyone is saying. That study I linked makes specific reference to the SUBCONSCIOUS attitudes adopted by consumers of media which frequently sexualised female characters, and found that it made consumers more likely to blame women who are sexually harassed for being sexually harassed. This study is not related to TW3 in any way so please don't suggest I am implying that, I am merely using that study as an example of how subconscious is more important than conscious "learning".

Nobody puts in The Witcher 3 to go "oh yeah imma learn something about talking to women!" but everyone who puts in The Witcher 3 and plays it is exposed to that content, in both good and bad ways. The same goes for literally every single piece of media we consume; there are things that we notice consciously and things that we only register subconsciously and the subconscious takeaways are generally more formative than the conscious ones.
 

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Woof that YouTube channel. Now your comments in this thread make sense.
Yeah I'll happily admit I'm an atheist/freethinker liberal or whatever you want to call me. Would never not be honest about that.

What is this kid even talking about anymore. Best places to learn?

Yes, everyone who disagreed with you said they should get their sexual education from Witcher 3.

That's exactly what happened. Lol.

Why did I even bother to reply to this tardo jeez.
Sorry but I don't think you should be calling me a tardo regardless of how angry you are. I'm a in my 20's psychology student, so not a kid either.
 

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I honestly don't think TW3 is particularly sexist...it obviously has 'problems' related to the fact that it's intended audience is straight males and the pandering is pretty intense but in terms of the actual content there seem to be plenty of places where gender roles are examined and upended without feeling crass or sexist
Yeah, the game includes some representations we might applaud and some we might question. I don't think it's reasonable to try and rubber stamp an entire complex cultural product as uniformly sexist or not, which is of course what's silly about the tweet that started this particular tempest.

This sounds like a strawman to me. The male gaze is not fundamentally about whether a character is attractive or not. It's about how they are presented. Yennefer and Cerys are good examples of Witcher 3 characters. But then there's characters who have half their tits flopping around for basically no reason.

The Witcher 3 pretty much spans the spectrum of good, subtle female characterization to blatant pandering and objectification. That's why this game in particular gets people so touchy. One person might point to a well-developed woman wearing standard armor and say, "Witcher 3 gets it right." Another would point to Ves and say, "Really, Witcher?" And they'd both be right, for their particular instances.
I agree with your second paragraph here -- the game gets some things right and some less so. But I stand by Yennefer's design as very much inviting "male gaze." And, on some level, Cerys too. Not to get too esoteric here, but what's considered "attractive" is obviously heavily culturally constructed (e.g., obesity during the Renaissance). To the extent that any character is designed with a thought toward being visually appealing in a way that may have some sexual resonance, that series of design decisions would seem to invite male gaze. It can be more or less flagrant. Cerys is, I think, a wonderfully designed character (and next to Keira, one of my two favorite characters in the game). But she was also clearly designed to be within the broad conception of "pretty" from a western male perspective

I realize some use "male gaze" to refer to things like having the camera lingering on a swollen bust or whatever, but again, I take an old school view that it's about inviting a type of objectification.
 

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Entertainment is not the poster boy for moral life teaching, nor should it be. You're severely damaging your adult growth if you look to videogames to teach you about how to be an adult and treat others.
That's not what we're saying. Entertainment is a mirror that reflects our views of the world. It's not that people look to videogames to teach them about life, it's that our societal attitudes inform the sexist bullshit in these games, not the other way around.
 

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You're not much of a freethinker if you think that youtube channel has anything to offer.
I'm a fan of Gad Saad, Joe Rogan, Dave Rubin and others. I like listening to ideas and debate. What should I do for you to class me as a freethinker then? Prescribe to some other persona you like?
 

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Yeah I'll happily admit I'm an atheist/freethinker liberal or whatever you want to call me. Would never not be honest about think.
What's scientific about a single interview with a pornstar to make a statement on the whole of porn?

You get your super-duper-charged science and book-learning information from YouTube interviews? Good job dude.

Or how does this even relate to Witcher 3, even still? Oh right, it doesn't almost at all. Cool.

You clearly believe you're "thinking" is superior and somehow "more objective" compared to the people you disagree with you. I think we have a name for those kind of people, there's a lot of them in this world, and believe me you aren't the first.

Newsflash: you're no more a free-thinker than anyone else in this thread. Maybe you eat free-range eggs though.
 

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why not say this via a personal account, or write something related to it on a blog? 140 characters is not gonna cut it to 'critique' fellow devs

oh wait its just a shit driveby on an out of context image posted on their official account to stir up some controversy and get people talking about them again

if you want to get rapture past 5k sales on PC tell playstation mobile to not outright ignore valve's market researched suggested pricing models instead of flinging shit on twitter
 

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why not say this via a personal account, or write something related to it on a blog? 140 characters is not gonna cut it to 'critique' fellow devs

oh wait its just a shit driveby on an out of context image posted on their official account to stir up some controversy and get people talking about them again

if you want to get rapture past 5k sales on PC tell playstation mobile to not outright ignore valve's market researched suggested pricing models instead of flinging shit on twitter
So they have no right to an opinion because this isn't a personal Twitter account? And why on Earth would something like this be used to drum up sales? You think someone reading this tweet is going to think "Oh, I should go play Everybody's Gone to the Rapture now that I saw this tweet about sexism in games!"

Come on.
 

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What's scientific about a single interview with a pornstar to make a statement on the whole of porn?

You get your super-duper-charged science and book-learning information from YouTube interviews? Good job dude.

Or how does this even relate to Witcher 3, even still? Oh right, it doesn't almost at all. Cool.

You clearly believe you're "thinking" is superior and somehow "more objective" compared to the people you disagree with you. I think we have a name for those kind of people, there's a lot of them in this world, and believe me you aren't the first.

Newsflash: you're no more a free-thinker than anyone else in this thread. Maybe you eat free-range eggs though.
It was to show one example of a porn worker I've recently learned about who enjoys their job, that is all. To backup what I said and what you critiqued in my post. I wanted to provide evidence.

I get a battle of ideas from some YT videos, that is it. I don't know why you're trying to say what I get everything from by putting words in my mouth.

Obviously I've ruffled your feathers, first the tardo comment and now free range eggs? Seriously dude I'll happily talk to anyone in here but please don't make it personal against me, that is crass and a little unfair.
 
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I'm a fan of Gad Saad, Joe Rogan, Dave Rubin and others. I like listening to ideas and debate. What should I do for you to class me as a freethinker then? Prescribe to some other persona you like?
Well your viewpoints just make more and more sense when you reveal more of your idols. I'm going to spoil something for you. You don't like listening to ideas and debate. You like listening to things you agree with.
 

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CDProjekt RED, company of 370 employees, a lot from around the world, many women (brilliant and talented) but also minorities: gay, transsexual (we might have been one of the few companies who had transsexual lead), all treated equally with only respect and support.

But we`re called sexist for showing a boob or panties. Really?

We always aimed to tell stories about people. And there are people with boobs and people with panties. Sometimes both.





***this is my personal opinion and not of my employer***
 

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Yeah I'll happily admit I'm an atheist/freethinker liberal or whatever you want to call me. Would never not be honest about that.



Sorry but I don't think you should be calling me a tardo regardless of how angry you are. I'm a in my 20's psychology student, so not a kid either.
Yeah I was just browsing as I prefer to keep my distance from these conversations nowadays and while I definitely don't agree with your points completely I must say hes taking it to the next realm of rudeness by insulting you directly like that and it shouldn't be tolerated. Members don't insult members. The blood seems to be getting a bit hot in here.....
 

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Well your viewpoints just make more and more sense when you reveal more of your idols. I'm going to spoil something for you. you don't like listening to ideas and debate. You like listening to things you agree with.
I learned about things I agree with through debates, how else do you think I learned of these people?

Can I ask what worldy view points you follow then to be so against me enjoying certain people? I'm assuming the opposite of whatever some of these figures believe.

You can chuck Sam Harris, Hitchens, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and what not into the debate as well, but I guess that will just cause you to push down further on me.

Sure I follow many people I agree with, but don't we all? That's where we learned of the ideas we may prescribe to, but I don't always agree with everything they say. It also doesn't mean I don't listen to arguments from the other side, I do all the time. Fair enough usually because it's something I'm hearing I don't agree with, but that's why I engage and hold debate. I'll never personally attack or insult someone though, just debate the ideas.
 

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CDProjekt RED, company of 370 employees, a lot from around the world, many women (brilliant and talented) but also minorities: gay, transsexual (we might have been one of the few companies who had transsexual lead), all treated equally with only respect and support.

But we`re called sexist for showing a boob or panties. Really?

We always aimed to tell stories about people. And there are people with boobs and people with panties. Sometimes both.





***this is my personal opinion and not of my employer***
I don't think anyone reasonable is calling you, your employer, or your employees sexist by any means. You don't have to specifically create a thing as sexist for it to be sexist, though. Like I said, the mirror of our entertainment is a reflection of modern society as a whole.
 

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I really hope CD Projekt Red don't even acknowledge this. I'd understand if they felt the need to defend themselves but I don't think they need to respond to internet slander.
 

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CDProjekt RED, company of 370 employees, a lot from around the world, many women (brilliant and talented) but also minorities: gay, transsexual (we might have been one of the few companies who had transsexual lead), all treated equally with only respect and support.

But we`re called sexist for showing a boob or panties. Really?

We always aimed to tell stories about people. And there are people with boobs and people with panties. Sometimes both.





***this is my personal opinion and not of my employer***
i shall support boobs and panties.

and speedos too, even though not my thing (equality)
 
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I honestly don't think TW3 is particularly sexist...it obviously has 'problems' related to the fact that it's intended audience is straight males and the pandering is pretty intense but in terms of the actual content there seem to be plenty of places where gender roles are examined and upended without feeling crass or sexist
I'm also willing to cut CDPR a lot of slack just given how much the series evolved over the years. The first game really played up that basically every female character was a potential notch on Geralt's bedpost and rewarded you with this silly, stupid borderline-pornographic sexual conquest cards. THAT was sexist bullshit (though I still loved the game). But they read the criticism to me they seemed to take it to heart.

I know that there are still multiple romantic options in 2 and 3 and some of them may not be handled very well, but it seemed to me like they tried to have less juvenile romantic pursuits in the subsequent games that actually tried to be meaningful. I'm not saying that this stuff would make for a great romance novel, but it did come a long way from rewarding the player for trying to have sex with every woman you encountered.

The rest of the stuff never struck me as particularly flagrant either. The only scene in 3 that struck me as kind of questionable was one scene where Yennefer appears before Geralt and two other Witchers to scold him for being drunk wearing only her underwear, and I thought that maybe she would have gotten dressed or put on a robe with company there. But even that wasn't ludicrous.

It's a huge game though. Maybe I missed some other scenes? Maybe the bath house scenes?
 
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Well your viewpoints just make more and more sense when you reveal more of your idols. I'm going to spoil something for you. You don't like listening to ideas and debate. You like listening to things you agree with.
do you even know who Dave Rubin is?

OT: has anyone else noticed that Jessica Curry was posting some sexism related stuff the other day on twitter, and the Chinese Room account was retweeting them or something? she's the head of the studio so i wouldn't be surprised if it was just her on the CR account, tweeting as if it were her own personal account.

not that she can't do that as head of CR, but just to re-emphasise that it's pretty unprofessional.
 

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if you want to get rapture past 5k sales on PC twitter
Wait, what? *Looks up release date* Huh. For some reason, I thought the game had actually been out for a while.

It's a huge game though. Maybe I missed some other scenes? Maybe the bath house scenes?
I personally didn't like the brothel/prostitutes sex scenes. Of course, I didn't participate in them since it felt weird while in a relationship.
 

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CDProjekt RED, company of 370 employees, a lot from around the world, many women (brilliant and talented) but also minorities: gay, transsexual (we might have been one of the few companies who had transsexual lead), all treated equally with only respect and support.

But we`re called sexist for showing a boob or panties. Really?

We always aimed to tell stories about people. And there are people with boobs and people with panties. Sometimes both.





***this is my personal opinion and not of my employer***
Well said; concise and succinct. Art, like life, shouldn't be moderated to fit societal standards and expectations.

Huge fan by the way
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It's kind of ridiculous criticism coming from Chinese Room, who make games that feature beautiful and completely empty worlds with no characters to interact with whatsoever, to complain about a perceived depiction of a character that may or may not be a part of a game that comes out in three years from a developer whose games feature huge worlds with dozens of interesting fleshed out characters.

CDProjekt RED, company of 370 employees, a lot from around the world, many women (brilliant and talented) but also minorities: gay, transsexual (we might have been one of the few companies who had transsexual lead), all treated equally with only respect and support.

But we`re called sexist for showing a boob or panties. Really?

We always aimed to tell stories about people. And there are people with boobs and people with panties. Sometimes both.

***this is my personal opinion and not of my employer***
Thanks for your input.
 

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Maybe in another way, Geralt has repeatedly been described as rather unattractive in the source material but in the games he's gruffly handsome af.
I think it was mostly Geralt describing himself as an ugly-faced freak, but the man hates literally everything about himself in the source material, so I wouldn't trust his opinion. Later on most of that world's most powerful and attractive women were drooling in his general direction, as Sapkowski's writing got progressively pervier.
 

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CDProjekt RED, company of 370 employees, a lot from around the world, many women (brilliant and talented) but also minorities: gay, transsexual (we might have been one of the few companies who had transsexual lead), all treated equally with only respect and support.

But we`re called sexist for showing a boob or panties. Really?

We always aimed to tell stories about people. And there are people with boobs and people with panties. Sometimes both.





***this is my personal opinion and not of my employer***
I hope you guys continue to make games the way you always do and not refrain from approaching topics and designs that some see as taboo.
 

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OT: has anyone else noticed that Jessica Curry was posting some sexism related stuff the other day on twitter, and the Chinese Room account was retweeting them or something? she's the head of the studio so i wouldn't be surprised if it was just her on the CR account, tweeting as if it were her own personal account.

not that she can't do that as head of CR, but just to re-emphasise that it's pretty unprofessional.
From what I've heard/seen from TCR they have a pretty open work ethic and they all share their ideas and viewpoints and treat each other with respect. I don't think any of those tweets would be posted on that feed if they weren't comfortable with it, and it's also a little bit shady to imply that it might be Jessica based purely on the fact that she speaks often about feminist issues. :p
 

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CDProjekt RED, company of 370 employees, a lot from around the world, many women (brilliant and talented) but also minorities: gay, transsexual (we might have been one of the few companies who had transsexual lead), all treated equally with only respect and support.

But we`re called sexist for showing a boob or panties. Really?

We always aimed to tell stories about people. And there are people with boobs and people with panties. Sometimes both.





***this is my personal opinion and not of my employer***
Thanks for weighing in, but for what it's worth the company doesn't need to waste time on social media/PR replying.

I never thought any different of any of the employees who work at the studio. Keep up the good work. If you can take things from this topic then that is good also, but don't doubt yourselves given what is apparent.
 
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CDProjekt RED, company of 370 employees, a lot from around the world, many women (brilliant and talented) but also minorities: gay, transsexual (we might have been one of the few companies who had transsexual lead), all treated equally with only respect and support.

But we`re called sexist for showing a boob or panties. Really?

We always aimed to tell stories about people. And there are people with boobs and people with panties. Sometimes both.





***this is my personal opinion and not of my employer***
No one is calling you or team sexist or saying you intentionally made sexist content . People are just being critical of your work.
Don't misinterpret the actual argument.
 

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CDProjekt RED, company of 370 employees, a lot from around the world, many women (brilliant and talented) but also minorities: gay, transsexual (we might have been one of the few companies who had transsexual lead), all treated equally with only respect and support.

But we`re called sexist for showing a boob or panties. Really?

We always aimed to tell stories about people. And there are people with boobs and people with panties. Sometimes both.





***this is my personal opinion and not of my employer***
Make what you want to make responsibly but don't censor yourself at the detriment of creativity and narrative.

Don't let the internet mongers put you in a corner with labels. Heed criticism and ideologues as subjective and largely personal at best. People will see what they want to see given their learned mind set.
 

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I really hope CD Projekt Red don't even acknowledge this. I'd understand if they felt the need to defend themselves but I don't think they need to respond to internet slander.
Ignoring criticism doesn't magically make it go away, especially since this is something that people have brought up many times in the past.

The lack of people of colour was a hot topic after Witcher 3 launched, and so CDPR added people from Ofier in Hearts of Stone.

Nobody's perfect, no art free from problems, so why should they ignore a chance to improve themselves, when they've already evolved from the devs who made sex a set of collectible cards?
 
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