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The thing that still annoys me about TDK is that both Batman and Bruce, in social situations, are turned up. They shouldn't have messed with Batman as much since his yuppie Bruce mannerisms were enough to distance himself from that other role. It's like Superman's disguise being Clark Kent.

As much as I've liked the Nolan Batman films, I don't really like his universe as a setting for continued Batman films.

If he's really going to keep everything realistic, then that eliminates a lot of the rogues gallery. Off the top of my head, Bane, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeze, Clayface, Man Bat, Catwoman (at least the kind of Catwoman that I'd like to see), Killer Croc, and at least a few others are disqualified.

Most if not all of those characters can be done if you break down what they are about. Like, you don't need a freeze gun to tell Mr. Freeze's story. He was a scientist named Victor whose wife got terminally ill and he wanted a way to save her. Granted, that story of man turning to crime to save a loved one is played out and recently sucked shit in Spider-Man 3. I'm just saying there is a lot to work with without getting into the crazier aspects of the characters.

 

[Nappuccino]

Totally. Bale in TDK was acceptable at best, but Bale in Begins is a rather fantastic performance. Bale in Batman Begins > all other Bruce Wayne/Batmans from all of the previous movies.

Dammit, now I have to watch Begins again... And its 2.5 hours away from me.

 

[JB1981]

Its not a good post. Puddles is simply asking for more out worldly, zany, batnipple bullshit from Schumacher movies. If you really wanna see killer croc, mr freeze, clayface or other dumbshit villain, your universe is Joel Schumacher's. There's your vision with a bit more visual flair and a fucking sense of style. smh. Me, I'm fucking tired of that crap. The shit was clogged up so fucking high in the bowl it started overflowing and flooded the entire basement, and the plumber was on a leave. Nolan had to come and bring the plunger and plunge all that slimy, smelly, toxic shit down the hole with his bare hands, and now you want that same shit again? NO. NO NO NO. Thousand times over! You have no idea how glad I am the poopstains from schumacher movies was finally wiped away and in place is a franchise that can finally be taken seriously. A batman movie we've all been waiting for. I love each and everything about Nolan's batman: batman's voice, mythos, lines, rachel, everything. I'm glad as fuck I'm in a universe that Christopher Nolan created Batman movies.

Great, I don't. Puddles' post is still good. He homes in on precisely why the Nolanverse doesn't have much creative breathing room and why (for me) it seems to lack a certain something I come to expect from a Batman movie. For me, it's too realistic for its own good. But I still enjoy the films a great deal because I feel they are pretty substantive thematically.

 

[Nappuccino]

Great, I don't. Puddles' post is still good. He homes in on precisely why the Nolanverse doesn't have much creative breathing room and why (for me) it seems to lack a certain something I come to expect from a Batman movie. For me, it's too realistic for its own good. But I still enjoy the films a great deal because I feel they are pretty substantive thematically.

But you're (kind of) missing the point. He doesn't need breathing room. Nolan isn't setting up this universe just so some random director can pump out 6 more movies all with different batmans; Nolan is setting out to tell the story he wants to tell and that is it.

 

[RustyNails]

Taken in a vacuum, Nolan's batman universe might seem too realistic. But look at what Bat fans had to deal with. Bat-skates, ffs. Batman was turned into that parody he always devolved into. In that sense, Nolan's batman was a huge, huge breath of fresh air, even though it was slightly smoggy.

 

[brianjones]

Wow people actually hate the voice ? That's one of the best parts of nolans batman

dont hate or love it.. it just is, and works for what it's trying to do.

if he didn't growl then people would be complaining "y duznt ne1 pick up on bruce's voice"

 

[Shrennin]

Honestly, I prefer Conroy's Batman voice (which is different from his Bruce voice).

Live action wise, I guess Keaton comes closest to that although I don't mind Bale's voice. It did get a little ridiculous in TDK, they should have kept the BB voice.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Its not a good post. Puddles is simply asking for more out worldly, zany, batnipple bullshit from Schumacher movies. If you really wanna see killer croc, mr freeze, clayface or other dumbshit villain, your universe is Joel Schumacher's. There's your vision with a bit more visual flair and a fucking sense of style. smh. Me, I'm fucking tired of that crap. The shit was clogged up so fucking high in the bowl it started overflowing and flooded the entire basement, and the plumber was on a leave. Nolan had to come and bring the plunger and plunge all that slimy, smelly, toxic shit down the hole with his bare hands, and now you want that same shit again? NO. NO NO NO. Thousand times over! You have no idea how glad I am the poopstains from schumacher movies was finally wiped away and in place is a franchise that can finally be taken seriously. A batman movie we've all been waiting for. I love each and everything about Nolan's batman: batman's voice, mythos, lines, rachel, everything. I'm glad as fuck I'm in a universe that Christopher Nolan created Batman movies.

The thing is, though, that Batman is a story about a rich billionaire Playboy who dresses in a rubber bat costume and fights crime at night. Nolan has managed to create a pretty realistic psychology for such a character (at least in BB), but regardless, there is an inherent unreality to the whole thing. Nolan TRIES really hard to achieve this super-realistic Batman universe and still cannot get through it without including silly things like Bat-radar and microwave guns. All he's really done is forced himself into a corner where he can't use a lot of the rogue gallery, and that's a shame; Batman:TAS is proof positive that you can do a dark and gritty Batman in the unrealistic, comic book style. Mr. Freeze doesn't have to be Schumacher.

 

[rezuth]

Does anyone have that "Swear to me" dog?

 

[Nappuccino]

Batman:TAS is proof positive that you can do a dark and gritty Batman in the unrealistic, comic book style. Mr. Freeze doesn't have to be Schumacher.

I would disagree. You can't use a cartoon, where it is much easier to draw something crazy like a man made out of mud and have it fit in seamlessly due to the fact that its a cartoon, and say "so the live action version can do that too!"

Things just don't come across the same in live action so you have to be very careful, at least on a visual level, in picking what you do or do not do.

 

[JGS]

Nolan's universe is etched though and it would be a mistake to fashion after a normal Batman comic at this point. WB is happy because they've never made so much money and if the do a new version, there will be a fond rememberance of this trilogy to get things off to a good start.

Like I said earlier I like the Nolan's re-imagining and I liked Burton's (Hated Schumacher's), but honestly I would have enjoyed Nolan's if it weren't Batman too.

I think that Batman is intentionally a blank slate and uninteresting because the drama and tension was always tied up with Gotham's mood and their reaction to him. Batman is required to be one note because that's the stand he took- fight crime, don't kill.

The people around him though are fascinating to watch and see how they handle the things thrown at them- with Dark Knight, that includes the whole of Gotham.

 

[brianjones]

yeah, the cartoon mr. freeze had a decent story to it and everything but his general appearance and "powers" as it were would still be silly in live action

 

[JGS]

yeah, the cartoon mr. freeze had a decent story to it and everything but his general appearance and "powers" as it were would still be silly in live action

I could totally see Mr. Freeze in the Nolan world, but largely as a one on one guy. I would be very surprised if Nolan diod not have a villian that would have an affect on the entiriety of Gotham. I suppose it could be similar to the microwave machine. Plus if he was paired with someone else then it could have a sizeable enough impact.

 

[WillyFive]

Yeah, the microwave machine from Batman Begins shows it can be done.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

I would disagree. You can't use a cartoon, where it is much easier to draw something crazy like a man made out of mud and have it fit in seamlessly due to the fact that its a cartoon, and say "so the live action version can do that too!"

Things just don't come across the same in live action so you have to be very careful, at least on a visual level, in picking what you do or do not do.

The thing is, though, that as visuals continue pushing forward, those sorts of things will get easier to render over time. We may not be able to do Clayface satisfactorily at the moment, but there's no reason that in 6-10 years (the likely point for a non-Nolan Batman to hit) we couldn't have advanced CG to the point where such a thing would be feasible?

I mean, if a good 70% or more of a comic book's mythology is rooted in unreality that cannot be transferred to the real world, then what's the benefit of a live action adaptation? Why not invest that money into a big-budget animation?

Spider-Man 2 is still the best comic book movie because it embraces a certain level of cartooniness instead of trying to turn something that has an inherent juvenilia into dark and gritty adult outing.

 

[Zoramon089]

The thing is, though, that as visuals continue pushing forward, those sorts of things will get easier to render over time. We may not be able to do Clayface satisfactorily at the moment, but there's no reason that in 6-10 years (the likely point for a non-Nolan Batman to hit) we couldn't have advanced CG to the point where such a thing would be feasible?

It's not a matter of CGI not being able to accurately depict it. It's a matter of it just not being able to fit in with real humans in a way that doesn't totally clash. In a cartoon, while the actual STORIES were darka and gritty, the artstyle wasn't really so things like Clayface, and Freeze and Croc didn't clash

 

[hamchan]

Bat Credit Card.....

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

It's not a matter of CGI not being able to accurately depict it. It's a matter of it just not being able to fit in with real humans in a way that doesn't totally clash. In a cartoon, while the actual STORIES were darka and gritty, the artstyle wasn't really so things like Clayface, and Freeze and Croc didn't clash

So there's absolutely no way for such things to be rendered in an art style that could be fitted into the real world and not clash with it? Certainly there are plenty of opportunities for it to go wrong, but I also think that it can definitely be done. CG would help with that, as there would be a greater number of artistic possibilities that could possibly be realized.

Simply put: if we're going to do live action adaptations of superhero movies, I'm not about to deny fully half (or more) of possible stories that could be told because comic book fans demand a quasi-realism that the source material doesn't really allow for in the first place.

 

[rooflapimp]

They should call it BAR (in capital letters) and underneath it says Batman and Robin and the story is that they run a bar together, hence the name!

 

[beelzebozo]

i would be fine with a batman movie that dealt with something like clayface in a similar tone as THE X-FILES deals with a character like tooms. something supernatural is totally cool, if you play it straight and don't play up the traits of the villain purely for spectacle. it could be made totally creepy and horrifying when those elements come into play.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

i would be fine with a batman movie that dealt with something like clayface in a similar tone as THE X-FILES deals with a character like tooms. something supernatural is totally cool, if you play it straight and don't play up the traits of the villain purely for spectacle. it could be made totally creepy and horrifying when those elements come into play.

Pretty much, though I think the giant human leech things would be an even better example, since they are completely non-human whereas Tooms at least has one foot sort of in the reality door.

 

[beelzebozo]

Pretty much, though I think the giant human leech things would be an even better example, since they are completely non-human whereas Tooms at least has one foot sort of in the reality door.

i almost think pusher would be a good batman villain :lol

 

[Expendable.]

‘The Dark Knight Rises’ With Charlize Theron & Vera Farmiga?

Charlize Theron has been approached to play a Detective Named Sarah Essen–a love interest for Jim Gordon.

Kacie Thomas and Vera Farmiga have reportedly auditioned for the Julie Madison role.

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Would love to see Farmiga in TDKR!

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Pretty smeh at Theron, but Farmiga would make a good "Rachel's burned and lifeless corpse", just to complete the trifecta.

 

[JGS]

‘The Dark Knight Rises’ With Charlize Theron & Vera Farmiga?

Charlize Theron has been approached to play a Detective Named Sarah Essen–a love interest for Jim Gordon.

Kacie Thomas and Vera Farmiga have reportedly auditioned for the Julie Madison role.

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Would love to see Farmiga in TDKR!

Why would Gordon have a love interest?

 

[DMczaf]

The source is Comic Book Movie. :lol

When it comes to Batman rumors from those dudes, you might as well make up your own rumor because you'll end up having a better chance of being right.

 

[WyndhamPrice]

Why would Gordon have a love interest?

Perhaps after suffering through Gordon's fake death and then being abducted with a gun to their heads by a horrifically burned and vengeful DA Gordon's family decides to GTFO Gotham City?

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Why would Gordon have a love interest?

They retconned TDK so Two Face did actually murder gordon's wife.

 

[StuBurns]

Why would Gordon have a love interest?

He is in an interesting position really, he is heading a search for a man he knows shouldn't be chased. If he had a love interest who is some how a victim (or believes herself to be) of Batman, he would be in a compelling situation I think.

 

[RustyNails]

wat? Gordon is married and has a kid. He's a stand up guy, fux this shit

 

[WanderingWind]

Det. Essen was in the comics too, and in that same capacity. They had an affair, and a mob boss/dirty cop combo threatened to blackmail him with it. Instead, he confessed to his wife and beat the dirty cop nearly to death with a baseball bat.

 

[Expendable.]

Why would Gordon have a love interest?

Sarah Essen first appears in Batman #405, part of the Batman: Year One storyline. She is a detective partnered with then-lieutenant James Gordon. She and the married Gordon start a brief affair. She is murdered by the Joker and is hinted as the real Mother of Barbara Gordon (batgirl).

OH SNAP!

Nolan is going for the love triangle again.

 

[JGS]

OH SNAP!

Nolan is going for the love triangle again.

I figured it would be an affair, but I'm not liking it for Gordon's character.

wat? Gordon is married and has a kid. He's a stand up guy, fux this shit

I don't think Gordon is a stand-up guy. I think he is corrupt a little for the sake of Gotham which gives him some nobility. To me his character, although willing to bend the rules would not carry that over to cheating. I'm hoping it stops at a kiss or something assuming this is true.

 

[Hex]

Det. Essen was in the comics too, and in that same capacity. They had an affair, and a mob boss/dirty cop combo threatened to blackmail him with it. Instead, he confessed to his wife and beat the dirty cop nearly to death with a baseball bat.

This.
Gordon has flaws like everyone else in Gotham, that is the point.

 

[NewLib]

Why would Gordon have a love interest?

Gordon wasnt the most faithful husband in the comics.

Edit: Wow Beaten

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I was pretty comfortable with Gordon's only flaw being that he pretended to be dead and scared the shit out of his family.

I'm still taking this as a rumor and not a definitive sign of a plotpoint. Character names =/=character stories. See: Zsaz in BB.

 

[Blader]

This.
Gordon has flaws like everyone else in Gotham, that is the point.

He was trying to fight the mob!

 

[DMczaf]

He was trying to fight the mob!

You wouldn't dare try to justify adultery if you knew what I lost!

 

[ezekial45]

There Could be the possibilty of Gordon's wife divorcing him after the events of TDK. You know, not wanting her and the kids in danger again.

Just a thought. However, I wouldn't want that to be the case.

 

[WillyFive]

I don't like Gordon having a new love interest.

He's supposed to be the only cop that isn't corrupted.

 

[big ander]

I don't like Gordon having a new love interest.

He's supposed to be the only cop that isn't corrupted.

He could still be politically pure and pursue justice.
And I don't think he would necessarily have to get divorced either. It's just that that much bossness doesn't deserve to be experienced by only one woman.

 

[WillyFive]

He could still be politically pure and pursue justice.
And I don't think he would necessarily have to get divorced either. It's just that that much bossness doesn't deserve to be experienced by only one woman.

That would be hypocritical. Although it would fit in just well with the themes and feel of Nolan's Batman movies, this could cross a bit into changing the actual character.

But oh well, it's still very early. We may not even know how it really goes.

 

[brianjones]

i bet there's more to it than that.. maybe using him to get close to batman

 

[Metal B]

wat? Gordon is married and has a kid. He's a stand up guy, fux this shit

Everybody does mistakes and stuff like this happens even to the nicest persons. It showed also what a stand-up person he really is. He did the mistake, some gangsters take a picture and tried to blackmail him. Instead of given in, he breaks up with the woman, she went to another town and the tells his wife everything. She forgave him and they visit marriage guidance.

What a great guy, who is strong enough to stand for his mistakes. It makes the character of Gordon so much deeper and interesting. He is a better and stronger person then Batman. This guy had to deal with a lot of things ...

 

[big ander]

That would be hypocritical. Although it would fit in just well with the themes and feel of Nolan's Batman movies, this could cross a bit into changing the actual character.

But oh well, it's still very early. We may not even know how it really goes.

It would be hypocritical. Isn't everybody? I'm not saying Gordon wouldn't realize he was doing wrong, I'm saying he wouldn't be able to resist. I feel like it could also reflect his hesitant pursuit of Batman.
If anything it would make him a more realistic and relatable character.

 

[brianjones]

already posted, my bad

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Don't buy it. But if true, Charlize please. Vera Faminga looks has always looked like a hot version of Maggie Gyllenhal, but the connection to Maggie is enough to warrant her not being cast for me.

 

[hokahey]

Jesus people. Affairs happen. It doesn't make Gordan a villian.

 

[JGS]

Jesus people. Affairs happen. It doesn't make Gordan a villian.

I know Gordon could have an affair. Anyone could, but it would not make sense from the universe Nolan created. The comic is a different matter.

Gordon is the guy that brings about order even if he uses some unscrupulous means to do it. The whole ending of Dark Knight is knocked down a peg by the idea that he would cheat on his wife in a short period of time at least.

They would have to remedy this by spending some unnecessary time building up why Gordon is unfaithful or why they may be having marital problems. Maybe if his wife cheated first or couldn't forgive him for pretending to die then it could work. However, no matter what it's a time waster- especially if Bruce is going to have a love interest too.

I'm not saying the alleged affair story will be bad but it certainly sounds bad right now. None of the hypotheticals brought up are remotely intersting enough to devote a chunk of the trilogy to.

 

[brianjones]

wow, get a grip