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[lexi]

Is their HR department just a Doritos vending machine by chance? I dont imagine this person will be employed for much longer if not.

It's appearing as if they hired him knowing full well his history and politics.

 

[Opto]

The majority should definitly not determine their daily lives. But I believe that if a majority defines gender by physical appearance they should come to terms with that.

I think it is logical to assume that sexual orientation does not only include what you are looking for, but also what feels repulsive to you. Both might be partly social and partly genetically defined. That would also explain why antipathy towards trans-/homosexuality is a global phenomenon.

Maybe the majority should kindly go fuck itself for continuing a social pressure that leads to high suicide attempts. Maybe you should come to terms with the fact that these are people and their experiences are real.

 

[gdt]

Isn't that the same as asking trans- or homosexual people to overcome their feelings and become "normal"?

I try to be nice and political correct to them, but I doubt that will ever change a slight repulsion I have to surpress. It will also not change what I look for in a partner.

I believe there is a minority trying to define rules and norms that are counter-intuitive to a majority of the society. In my opinion it should better be the other way around.

Dat last paragraph

 

[roknin]

Is their HR department just a Doritos vending machine by chance? I dont imagine this person will be employed for much longer if not.

Okay I lol'ed hard at that.

But yeah, from what it sounds like, they know full-well who they're hiring here. Possibly giddy about it.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

What a few people in this thread don't seem to get when asking questions like "What's the big deal? It's just his opinion." is this:

For you, it's an abstract issue. It's a curiosity and little more. It's the kind of thing you briefly note, shrug your shoulders, and move on with your life.

For some of us, it's a daily reality that affects us pretty much constantly. These are people who contribute to our demonization, dehumanization, and marginalization within society. They are doing real, tangible harm. They are contributing to an atmosphere in which trans kids believe that killing themselves is genuinely the best available option. They are propagating their "biotruths" nonsense (with a questionable understanding of biology) and reinforcing the idea that trans people are "fake", delusional pretenders carrying out some sort of grotesque, long-term kabuki act.

So, see, some of us don't have the luxury of just ignoring this stuff, because it impacts us directly. I'm not going to campaign for him to be fired, but at the same time, I do not feed those who go out of their way to declare themselves my enemy. If I hadn't already written The Escapist off as a total loss, his presence would be enough to make me do so.

 

[Opto]

Dat last paragraph

"counter-intuitive" as if society will break at the seams if trans people start feeling accepted

 

[Platy]

Being transphobic is like this person's little detail. Racism, homophobia, sexism, gamergate .... this dude has it all.

And the girl who did MRA articles (HOW A GIRL DOES MRA ARTICLES ???) is not much better

Simply looking at her bio is basicaly a trigger warning =P
(also it sounds that she doesn't know exactly what is pro choice xD)

 

[MadScientist]

This thread has nothing to do with choosing partners. It has to do with interacting with trans people in every day life and not being a piece of shit. What are you talking about?

So this is a discussion about politness? Because to me it felt like Brandon morsed was criticized because he refused not to discriminate between women and trans women / men and trans men. I might have been wrong.

Also, what you are attracted to is not unchangeable. I wasn't attracted to men since birth. It was something I realized later in life. Sexuality, like gender, can be fluid.

Still, it is not a choice or can be willingly altered.

 

[Goliz]

I'm sorry, but i agree with this tweet.

Nowadays people go out of their way to be offended and it becomes really annoying when you have to watch for everything you say because you might trigger Chinese people for saying you liked the combat system in Sleeping Dogs.

"THIS MAN SUPPORTS VIOLENCE AGAINST CHINESE PEOPLE!"

Its annoying, and i don't like to be told what i can or cant say because it offends you.


Now for the rest of what he said is just bullshit; Why do you have to care so much about what other people do with their lives? Just be polite and fucking be done with it.

He's teasing and being a huge hypocrite.

 

[A Link to the Past]

So this is a discussion about politness? Because to me it felt like Brandon morsed was criticized because he refused not to discriminate between women and trans women / men and trans men. I might have been wrong.
Still, it is not a choice or cn be willingly altered.

It's not about politeness, it's about bigots, bigotry, and how to deal with both.

I'm sorry, but i agree with this tweet.

Nowadays people go out of their way to be offended and it becomes really annoying when you have to watch for everything you say because you might trigger Chinese people for saying you liked the combat system in Sleeping Dogs.

"THIS MAN SUPPORTS VIOLENCE AGAINST CHINESE PEOPLE!"

Its annoying, and i don't like to be told what i can or cant say because it offends you.


Now for the rest of what he said is just bullshit; Why do you have to care so much about what other people do with their lives? Just be polite and fucking be done with it.

He's teasing and being a huge hypocrite.

This is a cartoonish depiction of what people who get offended act like, and you should feel silly for having made this post. I would sooner expect that response to follow "I like killing Chinese people in video games."

 

[DR2K]

It's appearing as if they hired him knowing full well his history and politics.

yikes if so.

 

[bj00rn_]

As a proud "accepter of diversity with open arms" I do see a somewhat unpleasant atmosphere in this, but that's all. We don't have to wrap everything into an added layer of controversy. There's not enough volume or hate in his opinion to deserve a mob.

 

[Platy]

I'm sorry, but i agree with this tweet.

Nowadays people go out of their way to be offended and it becomes really annoying when you have to watch for everything you say because you might trigger Chinese people for saying you liked the combat system in Sleeping Dogs.

"THIS MAN SUPPORTS VIOLENCE AGAINST CHINESE PEOPLE!"

Its annoying, and i don't like to be told what i can or cant say because it offends you.


Now for the rest of what he said is just bullshit; Why do you have to care so much about what other people do with their lives? Just be polite and fucking be done with it.

He's teasing and being a huge hypocrite.

Since this Neil Gaiman tumblr post had a birthday these days, it should be cool to point out since who usualy complain about these are the ones that say "political correctness gone mad"

I was reading a book (about interjections, oddly enough) yesterday which included the phrase “In these days of political correctness…” talking about no longer making jokes that denigrated people for their culture or for the colour of their skin. And I thought, “That’s not actually anything to do with ‘political correctness’. That’s just treating other people with respect.”

Which made me oddly happy. I started imagining a world in which we replaced the phrase “politically correct” wherever we could with “treating other people with respect”, and it made me smile.

You should try it. It’s peculiarly enlightening.

I know what you’re thinking now. You’re thinking “Oh my god, that’s treating other people with respect gone mad!”

Happy Valentine’s Day.

http://neil-gaiman.tumblr.com/post/43087620460/i-was-reading-a-book-about-interjections-oddly

 

[A Link to the Past]

As a proud "accepter of diversity with open arms" I do see a somewhat unpleasant atmosphere in this, but that's all. We don't have to wrap everything into an added layer of controversy. There's not enough volume or hate in his opinion to deserve a mob.

He's telling people that no one can tell him not to call black people the n-word, and he's telling people that trans people are playing pretend.

 

[Roto13]

As I said before. I try to see the face of Christ (or his holy mother) in all people. Of course issues like this would not come up in casual conversation...but if you asked me about my faith or about the deeper issues it touches on, I would not lie to you about the moral implications. That would not be doing you any favors.

As for names and pronouns, I would call you whatever you wanted just out of general politeness. That has nothing to do with your trans identity...I would do the same for any human being.



Ah, the old "select a Bible quote" game. Yes, the Lord taught us not to judge. He also told the woman at the well to "go and sin no more." He did not tell her "keep doing whatever you want, it's all good!"



False. No Catholic "cherry picks" anything. If they do, the are not Catholic. Catholics are not individualists. It is not democracy...it is a "monarchy." I believe what the Church teaches.

I can guarantee you that my gay husband is a much better Catholic than you could ever dream of being.

"Try to see the face of Christ." God, you are so completely and utterly full of shit.

Well all I can tell you is this. If you gave me the choice of hanging out with people at a bar that casually use the word "gay" as a insult in an oblivious manner and hanging out with people who are overly sensitive about that term and like to preach at others for using it, then I'd be hanging out with the former.

Your parsing of the phrase lifestyle choice only proves my point.

Your self loathing is delicious, yum yum yum

I'm sorry, but i agree with this tweet.

Nowadays people go out of their way to be offended and it becomes really annoying when you have to watch for everything you say because you might trigger Chinese people for saying you liked the combat system in Sleeping Dogs.

"THIS MAN SUPPORTS VIOLENCE AGAINST CHINESE PEOPLE!"

Its annoying, and i don't like to be told what i can or cant say because it offends you.


Now for the rest of what he said is just bullshit; Why do you have to care so much about what other people do with their lives? Just be polite and fucking be done with it.

He's teasing and being a huge hypocrite.

By this dickhole's defintion, being polite is going out of your way not to offend someone.

 

[lil]

In a discussion where we're talking about trans people literally dying, it doesn't seem germane to say something like "people go out of their way to be offended" (and this discussion is the exact context Morse was talking about offense in). + trans people gotta do a lot more than "go out of their way" to survive in this world.

 

[Arcia]

I'm sorry, but i agree with this tweet.

Nowadays people go out of their way to be offended and it becomes really annoying when you have to watch for everything you say because you might trigger Chinese people for saying you liked the combat system in Sleeping Dogs.

"THIS MAN SUPPORTS VIOLENCE AGAINST CHINESE PEOPLE!"

Its annoying, and i don't like to be told what i can or cant say because it offends you.

Now for the rest of what he said is just bullshit; Why do you have to care so much about what other people do with their lives? Just be polite and fucking be done with it.

He's teasing and being a huge hypocrite.

Nice straw man there buddy

 

[Goliz]

It's not about politeness, it's about bigots, bigotry, and how to deal with both.



This is a cartoonish depiction of what people who get offended act like, and you should feel silly for having made this post. I would sooner expect that response to follow "I like killing Chinese people in video games."

Is it? Is it really?!

I think you should feel silly for having made this post because you're choosing to ignore the fact that over sensitive people exist and they're on social media reacting to everything you say.

You saying i'm silly because in your mind people are only offended if i say something that is downright discriminatory is just funny, but i tend to expect that from people.

Can you be any less pretentious?

 

[lexi]

He's telling people that no one can tell him not to call black people the n-word, and he's telling people that trans people are playing pretend.

Dude he needs to be caught in the act of murdering a trans woman -- and promptly convicted in a trial by jury before we uppity trans folk and allies can even BEGIN to call him transphobic!

 

[Opto]

I'm sorry, but i agree with this tweet.

Nowadays people go out of their way to be offended and it becomes really annoying when you have to watch for everything you say because you might trigger Chinese people for saying you liked the combat system in Sleeping Dogs.

"THIS MAN SUPPORTS VIOLENCE AGAINST CHINESE PEOPLE!"

Its annoying, and i don't like to be told what i can or cant say because it offends you.


Now for the rest of what he said is just bullshit; Why do you have to care so much about what other people do with their lives? Just be polite and fucking be done with it.

He's teasing and being a huge hypocrite.

There's a big difference between "offend" and "harass/abuse/harm" and jesus christ, that non-existent problem you just pulled out of your ass

 

[A Link to the Past]

Is it? Is it really?!

I think you should feel silly for having made this post because you're choosing to ignore the fact that over sensitive people exist and they're on social media reacting to everything you say.

You saying i'm silly because in your mind people are only offended if i say something that is downright discriminatory is just funny, but i tend to expect that from people.

Can you be any less pretentious?

Through the smallest of efforts, I've managed to be on social media for years and have offended literally so few people that I could count them on one hand.

Stop and imagine that maybe, just maybe, people are offended by you because you are legitimately being offensive, and are misrepresenting what you said and what they said to make you seem like the poor unfortunate soul in this scenario.

 

[roknin]

Since this Neil Gaiman tumblr post had a birthday these days, it should be cool to point out since who usualy complain about these are the ones that say "political correctness gone mad"


http://neil-gaiman.tumblr.com/post/43087620460/i-was-reading-a-book-about-interjections-oddly

Sums up what I think whenever I see the "omg political correctness gone mad" statements.

Not to say there aren't instances where yes, someone took something way too far (we're human after all - no offense to non-humans), but chances are, if the offender went back and really, really looked at what they said or did with proper context, they might realize that indeed, they were being... a prick.

That's probably asking too much these days, though.

 

[Giever]

The reason why is because people like that are dangerous. People who are openly racist get fired, people who are openly homophobic get fired (less often), and people who are transphobic might get fired, if the person responsible for firing is in a good mood.

Alright. It's not like I was disagreeing with you. Not really stating one way or the other, since I'm not totally sure how I feel about that specific point. I was just pointing out to the person I was responding to that those folks talking about it weren't exactly going off-topic, since it was a position that had already been claimed in this thread by some people and I cited your post as an example.

 

[Flipyap]

Since this Neil Gaiman tumblr post had a birthday these days, it should be cool to point out since who usualy complain about these are the ones that say "political correctness gone mad"

http://neil-gaiman.tumblr.com/post/43087620460/i-was-reading-a-book-about-interjections-oddly

That's really cute and smart. A browser script based on this could make today's internet a bit less infuriating.

 

[bj00rn_]

He's telling people that no one can tell him not to call black people the n-word, and he's telling people that trans people are playing pretend.

He's wrong if so. But I don't see a hateful person here, his only crime is perhaps to be ignorant in some aspects, like we all are in our own ways. So I reckon he doesn't deserve a mob, nor do we need to transform him into something he possibly is not. That's all.

 

[Neuromancer]

The days of video games as an escape are over.

Lolololololol

 

[Sai-kun]

Through the smallest of efforts, I've managed to be on social media for years and have offended literally so few people that I could count them on one hand.

Stop and imagine that maybe, just maybe, people are offended by you because you are legitimately being offensive, and are misrepresenting what you said and what they said to make you seem like the poor unfortunate soul in this scenario.

this is what baffles me sometimes. i'm not trying to be all holier than thou because i'm sure i've said some shitty things, but the bolded absolutely rings true for me. it takes almost no effort to just...not say really ignorant and offensive shit, and also to not offend people.

He's wrong of course. But I don't see a hateful person here, his only crime is to be ignorant in some aspects, like we all are in our own ways, so I reckon he doesn't deserve a mob, nor do we need to transform him into something he possibly is not, that's all.

why does transphobia get a pass when racism and homophobia don't?

 

[jonno394]

As long as it doesnt creep in to his reviews or articles I see nothing wrong with this. As soon as it does that's when it becomes an issue.

 

[Opto]

http://feministing.com/2015/02/12/i...how-offense-discourse-traps-us-into-inaction/

Basically says we should stop using the word offended, and actually talk about the harm that actions and words commit. Morse isn't defending his right to offend, he's defending his right to perpetuate a harmful environment.

 

[Objectively Bad Opinion]

I don't think "I don't subscribe to your worldview" as a statement, is that offensive. Certainly not cause to get someone fired. Your world view is pretty fragile if you need to constantly rail against statements like these.

This guy is definitely just saying things to piss people off, though.

 

[Platy]

Through the smallest of efforts, I've managed to be on social media for years and have offended literally so few people that I could count them on one hand.

Stop and imagine that maybe, just maybe, people are offended by you because you are legitimately being offensive, and are misrepresenting what you said and what they said to make you seem like the poor unfortunate soul in this scenario.

Once I tryed to explain why something was incredibly sexist to a dude.

...that dude happened to be the creator of "beat up anita sarkeesin" and he retweeted me and all his followers atacked me.

Does the 300 people atacking me counts as "offended" ? =P

 

[lil]

That's really cute and smart. A browser script based on this could make today's internet a bit less infuriating.

Someone needs to do this hahaha. The skeleton one made GoofyGate so much more bearable. 😋

 

[roknin]

this is what baffles me sometimes. i'm not trying to be all holier than thou because i'm sure i've said some shitty things, but the bolded absolutely rings true for me. it takes almost no effort to just...not say really ignorant and offensive shit, and also to not offend people.

Yeah same, honestly.

I'm honestly really curious how it's so hard to not offend anyone, especially in this day and age.

Once I tryed to explain why something was incredibly sexist to a dude.

...that dude happened to be the creator of "beat up anita sarkeesin" and he retweeted me and all his followers atacked me.

Does the 300 people atacking me counts as "offended" ? =P

I could say something really, really mean-spirited about those 300 people, but I'm going to practice what I just preached. :3

 

[Flipyap]

Someone needs to do this hahaha. The skeleton one made GoofyGate so much more bearable. 😋

Goof... GoofyGate? I need to know more. I'm only aware of Cloud-to-Butt.

 

[Opto]

As long as it doesnt creep in to his reviews or articles I see nothing wrong with this. As soon as it does that's when it becomes an issue.

you don't hire a dude with this kind of rep to keep his opinions to himself

 

[EmpressInYellow]

I don't think "I don't subscribe to your worldview" as a statement, is that offensive. Certainly not cause to get someone fired. Your world view is pretty fragile if you need to constantly rail against statements like these.

This guy is definitely just saying things to piss people off, though.

It's not "I don't subscribe to your world view."

It's "I think you are pretending at being a man/woman" and, consequently, "I think you are delusional and not entitled to be treated in accordance with your gender".

It's the exact sort of attitude that keeps trans people marginalized and discriminated against.

 

[besada]

Your self loathing is delicious, yum yum yum.

To be fair, this person was banned for having multiple alts, so I'd take his pronouncements about who he is with a grain of salt. He had this alt and another ready to go, which strongly suggests he's one of those sad people who like to constantly re-register to mess around in these sorts of conversations.

 

[roknin]

To be fair, this person was banned for having multiple alts, so I'd take his pronouncements about who he is with a grain of salt. He had this alt and another ready to go, which strongly suggests he's one of those sad people who like to constantly re-register to mess around in these sorts of conversations.

That... is a surprising amount of effort for a really trivial "thrill."

I probably shouldn't be surprised though. Some people just don't have that life-evaluation moment while making alt accounts just to troll discussions they have no real interest in.

 

[Yrael]

That's really cute and smart. A browser script based on this could make today's internet a bit less infuriating.

Someone needs to do this hahaha. The skeleton one made GoofyGate so much more bearable. 😋

You can always use Word Replacer in Chrome.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Oh wow, The Escapist also hired Liz F? They might as well rename themselves GamerGate Newz.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

Oh wow, The Escapist also hired Liz F? They might as well rename themselves GamerGate Newz.

I look forward to the hot takes that their future hires from Stormfront and /pol/ are sure to provide.

 

[Dunkley]

Oh wow, The Escapist also hired Liz F? They might as well rename themselves GamerGate Newz.

Pretty much.

Jim Sterling abandoned ship, right?

 

[Amalthea]

This thread has nothing to do with choosing partners. It has to do with interacting with trans people in every day life and not being a piece of shit. What are you talking about?

I'm pretty sure a huge amount of transphobia stems from the fear of possibly being attracted to transwomen many straight guys have.
That's why this is aleays brought up.

 

[KingFire]

Quoting for later

Isn't post reservation a type of shit posting?

====
On topic : this comes as a no surprise since the escapist has been GG for awhile.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

I look forward to the hot takes that their future hires from Stormfront and /pol/ are sure to provide.

Feminazis: A Bad Kind of Nazi?

Pretty much.

Jim Sterling abandoned ship, right?

Jim bailed a while back because he's Jim Fucking Sterling, son; and Jim Fucking Sterling don't play that.

 

[Nino]

Oh boy he just tweeted this link: http://theralphretort.com/thank-you-the-escapist-still-listens-to-consumers-2022015/

For those not familiar, the tagline of that website is literally "TheRalphRetort.com - #GamerGate 4 Life", good stuff

 

[A Link to the Past]

I don't think "I don't subscribe to your worldview" as a statement, is that offensive. Certainly not cause to get someone fired. Your world view is pretty fragile if you need to constantly rail against statements like these.

This guy is definitely just saying things to piss people off, though.

If he doesn't mean the transphobic bigotry, then he's still a transphobe for trying to piss trans people off.

Once I tryed to explain why something was incredibly sexist to a dude.

...that dude happened to be the creator of "beat up anita sarkeesin" and he retweeted me and all his followers atacked me.

Does the 300 people atacking me counts as "offended" ? =P

Yes. They really need to learn how better to suck it up.

To be fair, this person was banned for having multiple alts, so I'd take his pronouncements about who he is with a grain of salt. He had this alt and another ready to go, which strongly suggests he's one of those sad people who like to constantly re-register to mess around in these sorts of conversations.

I had a really strong feeling that he wasn't actually gay. I've never seen a gay person call being gay a "lifestyle." I didn't want to get into that, though. It reminds me of how you can always tell a guy pretending to be a woman on Twitter (and I don't mean trans :v) and getting caught because he does stuff like call women "females."

 

[IrishNinja]

An apology should be enough, but it seems people here never accept that, even if it was sincere (See: Penny-Arcade).

late & all (since you're gone now), but...when did PA ever sincerely apologize? both the rape culture & trans things, i recall gabe being a huge baby, repeatedly, over. i stopped paying attention then, so sincere question here.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

What a libertarian badass who has the guts to stand up and speak out about these people with so much power... Ugh, typical internet mouth breather.

 

[dark10x]

did he just defend his ability to call black people, "niggers"?

After picking my jaw up off the floor I've come to believe that he did indeed. There is something wrong with that guy. :-/