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[oni-link]

This is a disturbing and frankly disgusting argument you're using. You're trying to pin responsibility for a stream of suicides on pretty much everyone who disagrees with you here. "Believe what I believe or there's blood on your hands" seems shameless.

The fuck is this? and yes, if you have a society where a lot of people believe harmful things about people of other religions, genders, races, etc, then normally bad things happen to the people of those religions, genders, races

A racist society and people who believe insane things about race needs to be in place before slavery can become possible

A religious society and people who believe in their own superiority needs to be in place before religious persecution can take place

If you have a society where the general attitude towards trans people is that they are 'going against nature', 'freaks', and 'weirdos', then yeah, that may well end up being harmful to trans people

 

[skynidas]

These types of drive by shit posts are so sad.

Like, why even bothering posting at all?

You contributed absolutely nothing of substance.

If you don't think he is being offensive, then at least provide some fucking reasoning.

so he can't fucking post because you don't agree with him? every single person must follow one mindset and agree with everything you say?

i also think the guy from the escapist can say whatever the fuck he wants, it's his opinion and it shouldn't matter for being hired in a publication. people think differently, learn to live with it and stop whining so much

 

[Suikoguy]

It's a drive by shit post because I genuinely don't see anything wrong with his Twitter message?

Are shits posts, posts you don't agree with?

Because your post was shit. If you can't see that, you won't last long here.
Have you bothered to at least glance through the pages here to see WHY people see his posts as trans-phobic and disrespectful?

so he can't fucking post because you don't agree with him? every single person must follow one mindset and agree with everything you say?

i also think the guy from the escapist can say whatever the fuck he wants, it's his opinion and it shouldn't matter for being hired in a publication. people think differently, learn to live with it and stop whining so much

The post was shit, you should know better. You know, actually contributing reasoning, and an examination of the issue at hand? Not just a blanket "It's not offensive!" Why is it not offensive? we have 16+ pages of people explaining why it IS.

 

[BigDes]

If you don't mind me asking...

Do you think it's transphobic when people say that gender is a social construct?

No, its a conflation of gender and gender roles. I wouldn't call it transphobic, just inaccurate.

 

[UTIII]

Because your post was shit. If you can't see that, you won't last long here.
Have you bothered to at least glance through the pages here to see WHY people see his posts as trans-phobic and disrespectful?

I'm not really too concerned why others see his posts as trans-phobic, my post was passing my opinion on his posts from my perspective.

It seems to me your having a bit of a break down because my views are different from yours?

 

[bj00rn_]

Because your post was shit. If you can't see that, you won't last long here.
Have you bothered to at least glance through the pages here to see WHY people see his posts as trans-phobic and disrespectful?



The post was shit, you should know better. You know, actually contributing reasoning, and an examination of the issue at hand? Not just a blanket "It's not offensive!" Why is it not offensive? we have 16+ pages of people explaining why it IS.

This excessive explosion of anger and hunting people down for their opinions is not helping the cause you think you represent.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

so he can't fucking post because you don't agree with him? every single person must follow one mindset and agree with everything you say?

i also think the guy from the escapist can say whatever the fuck he wants, it's his opinion and it shouldn't matter for being hired in a publication. people think differently, learn to live with it and stop whining so much

It matters because his opinion likely contributed to his being hired and people deserve to know what kind of audience The Escapist is actively trying to court.

 

[Suikoguy]

I'm not really too concerned why others see his posts as trans-phobic, my post was passing my opinion on his posts from my perspective.

It seems to me your having a bit of a break down because my views are different from yours?

All of these words you post, and not a single point being made.

Explain WHY it's not offensive. You know, use some thought.

This excessive explosion of anger and hunting people down for their opinions is not helping the cause you think you represent.

People drive-by shit posting, without anything of substance does nothing to help further the conversation. It only further shits up the thread, hence the term.

 

[Amalthea]

I'm not really too concerned why others see his posts as trans-phobic, my post was passing my opinion on his posts from my perspective.

It seems to me your having a bit of a break down because my views are different from yours?

I hope you didn't wait to long for your account activation to waste it on this.

 

[jakonovski]

Gaming, or at least games have always somewhat been political. Except now we've moved away from things we don't see as political (holy shit look how cool America's military might is etc) to things that make us start to feel a bit uncomfortable (what exactly is going on under those trousers/that skirt etc) that people have started to react.

It's quite sad really.

I think it's how absurd this whole thing has become. Gaming websites hiring based on politics? What the fuck is going on?

 

[UTIII]

His "choice" not only makes him a transphobe, but also an asshole. It's not hard to make things easier on one of the most oppressed minority groups by simply calling them by the preffered pronoun. Would it hurt him at all to extend that extremely small kindness? No, it wouldn't at all. That's why he's a fucking asshole.

What is transphobic about not addressing someone by their preferred label?

Nothing "asshole" about it.

 

[roknin]

Oh boy he just tweeted this link: http://theralphretort.com/thank-you-the-escapist-still-listens-to-consumers-2022015/

For those not familiar, the tagline of that website is literally "TheRalphRetort.com - #GamerGate 4 Life", good stuff

Read that post. Fucking disgusting.

"He stated his views on a controversial issue (transgenderism) that I doubt will ever be addressed on The Escapist. There’s nothing here. Get over it, SJW"

What in the actual fuck

What he stated was tantamount to "screw what you are, I'm going to call you what I want no matter what, even if it hurts you" and then proudly beat his chest about it.

Yeah, if this is th Escapist's current audience, fuck'em. I want nothing to do with this.

Also love the constant prodding at MovieBob's name and the need to bring up both him and Sterling every five words or so. Reads like a rant from a middle schooler.

 

[UTIII]

I hope you didn't wait to long for your account activation to waste it on this.

This mob mentality is going a little too far, ugly.

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

Reads like a rant from a middle schooler.

Welcome to The Ralph Retort.

 

[HolyBaikal]

This mob mentality is going a little too far, ugly.

... what?

 

[Lalalandia]

Hey The Escapist has proved themselves the #1 place on the internet for hateful fuckers and GG yet again. Yeah ever since the Developers articles it's obvious the site owner is a nasty piece of work so why not recruit more and drive out the decent folk.

As for the folks on here defending being offensive to trans folk you're all just repeating the age old bigotry of 'I don't find it offensive you minorities are just so touchy'. Christ the bloke literally said that stopping him from using offensive terms such as 'n______' was just restraint on speech. Well that tell's me everything I need to know about a person.

 

[CHusson91]

I hope you didn't wait to long for your account activation to waste it on this.

He's allowed to have an opinion.

 

[Walshicus]

If you have a society where the general attitude towards trans people is that they are 'going against nature', 'freaks', and 'weirdos', then yeah, that may well end up being harmful to trans people

You're conflating a lot of unrelated things here. The fight for human equality and freedom from violence and discrimination is a universal, undeniable positive we should all strive for.

But the idea that people not indulging in truly believing that surgery or even just belief itself can turn a man into a woman or a woman into a man; that that's somehow responsible for deaths... That's a disgusting proposition.

 

[UTIII]

How much does it hurt you to call someone ma'am instead of sir or sir instead of ma'am?

You can I suppose keep whatever ideas you have about trans people but to call someone by the opposite gender to what you know they prefer to be called just seems, willfully rude.

It seems wilfully rude to force your opinions on someone who doesn't share them. His stance is perfectly normal and acceptable.

 

[RooMHM]

Yes it is, in the same way that its wrong to say homosexuality is unnatural, since you know, it appears all over nature on a consistent basis

You're arbitrarily defining nature as something that fits with how you personally think and using that as a starting point to debate, which is why you're wrong

If you want to help these people then don't tell them they're unnatural, and it's this attitude towards people who are trans, that is harmful.

I'm not saying you're personally being an awful person, but the fact loads of people don't understand or say these people are "going against nature" contributes to an attitude that does real damage

I m not saying people they are unnatural. I m just explaining that it is what I think and why.
Of course there are manifestations of homosexuality in the world, in the nature as you say but it doesn t fit with the natural order these specimens die and have no descendants if not for following the natural way. Nature isnt just the snapshot we re witnessing and isnt perfect, it just works.

The point is that saying gender is different than sex, the gender theory is dangerous in my opinion. It is likz saying men and women are equal when they factually aren t. They should have the same rights, equally be respected but not considered indifferently.

 

[Suikoguy]

It seems wilfully rude to force your opinions on someone who doesn't share them. His stance is perfectly normal and acceptable.

No, it's factually not.

 

[Ullus]

I hope you didn't wait to long for your account activation to waste it on this.

Since when was having a different opinion ban-worthy?

 

[HolyBaikal]

I think it's very rude not to call someone the gender pronouns they want to be called.

 

[CambriaRising]

Since when was having a different opinion ban-worthy?

Is that opinion transphobic, homophobic, or racist?

Then always.

 

[Suikoguy]

I think it's very rude not to call someone the gender pronouns they want to be called.

Oh, didn't you know? It's perfectly normal and acceptable to ignore their requests and be an asshole! </s>

 

[BigDes]

It seems wilfully rude to force your opinions on someone who doesn't share them. His stance is perfectly normal and acceptable.

You're talking to a trans person, you know they wish to be refered to with female/male pronouns and you refuse because......

Having a hard time here understanding why you just wouldn't do that rather than seemingly intentionally ignore their rather harmless wish

 

[pinkurocket]

It seems wilfully rude to force your opinions on someone who doesn't share them. His stance is perfectly normal and acceptable.

...... Again. People that are born to fit into society's norms will never understand what it's like to be different from the norm. Whether you are gay or you feel like you're born in the wrong gender. Why is it so hard to understand others and just accept their lifestyle? It does not have any impact on you or your life. It's just a form of respect and understanding. It's not that hard! Going against that is simply rude, disrespectful and ignorant.

 

[Lowlander2]

He's allowed to have an opinion.

Similarly, we're allowed to have a retort to his opinion. We can do without the backseat modding for sure, though. That's what the mods are FOR. I trust their discretion.

 

[CHusson91]

Similarly, we're allowed to have a retort to his opinion. We can do without the backseat modding for sure, though. That's what the mods are FOR. I trust their discretion.

Absolutely. I'm just so sick of some people here thinking others should be banned for not sharing the same exact opinion as theirs.

 

[THRILLH0]

I can never tell which threads that Stephen Fry quote is relevant to.

 

[Suikoguy]

Absolutely. I'm just so sick of some people here thinking others should be banned for not sharing the same exact opinion as theirs.

You do understand that some opinions, are not tolerated on a civilized message board right?

You don't see people spouting racism, and calling it "their opinion" and still having an unbanned account.

 

[UTIII]

Oh, didn't you know? It's perfectly normal and acceptable to ignore their requests and be an asshole! </s>

Do you bend over to the requests of every random person you see even if you don't agree with said random persons personal choice?

 

[Trumpets]

 

[Twiforce]

You're conflating a lot of unrelated things here. The fight for human equality and freedom from violence and discrimination is a universal, undeniable positive we should all strive for.

But the idea that people not indulging in truly believing that surgery or even just belief itself can turn a man into a woman or a woman into a man; that that's somehow responsible for deaths... That's a disgusting proposition.

Oni Link and others have explained in this thread just the simple act of not believing trans people is emotionally traumatic. As a trans person myself it definitely is extremely hurtful when even a random person says they think I'm "really a man" as it brings up a lot of anguish and despair from the past. It's why the trans suicide rate is so high.

Literally, when people like you say the things you are saying right now, it can trigger depressive reactions that contribute to suicide risk. I feel that way when I read posts like yours in threads just like this one. Especially when you use incredibly hurtful, inaccurate phrasing like "turn a women into a man."

 

[CHusson91]

You do understand that some opinions, are not tolerated on a civilized message board right?

You don't see people spouting racism, and calling it "their opinion" and still having an unbanned account.

Yup. That's what the mods are here for.

 

[oni-link]

You're conflating a lot of unrelated things here. The fight for human equality and freedom from violence and discrimination is a universal, undeniable positive we should all strive for.

But the idea that people not indulging in truly believing that surgery or even just belief itself can turn a man into a woman or a woman into a man; that that's somehow responsible for deaths... That's a disgusting proposition.

Well, it is

And people don't change their gender, they change their body to match their gender

Your comments would be upsetting and offensive to a lot of the trans community, and while you are entitled to hold whatever scientifically inaccurate opinion you like, you can't just dismiss that it does any harm to anyone at all

Edit: Oh look, a trans person backing me up 2 posts above mine, now you can reign in the faux outrage a little

 

[BigDes]

Do you bend over to the requests of every random person you see even if you don't agree with said random persons personal choice?

If the request is utterly harmless and will not inconvenience me in the slightest then sure.

 

[roknin]

I think it's very rude not to call someone the gender pronouns they want to be called.

I mean, it's as simple as that, I'm not even sure why there's so much malcontent against this.

If someone says "call me Bob" I don't say "no fuck you, yo' name is Robert, quit playing pretend!"

If someone prefers to be called or feels they are a different gender, is it that difficult to respect that and call them as such? Does it really do something to your inner psyche and physically damaging to you to say "oh, well, I will henceforth prefer to said person as {pronoun}"?

Maybe it's just me. It does not seem that complicated nor does it require a dickish stance like Morse's.

 

[Lalalandia]

Is that opinion transphobic, homophobic, or racist?

Then always.

Yup the internet libertarianism that says 'my right to be a dick trumps all others' forgets the natural consequences of 'then we can call you a dick and refuse to listen/work/support you'.

Why is it these threads always devolve into armchair biology? Guess what sex is way more complicated that XX or XY and trying to determine whether any given athlete is a woman has bedevilled sports for generations. That's long before we get into gender identity which is even more complicated. If someone is female in a male body or vice versa when they choose to identify that way to ignore that request is to actively invite ridicule or contempt for that person which makes you a hateful bigot.

 

[Walshicus]

Going against that is simply rude, disrespectful and ignorant.

Or just honest and unconvinced.

 

[bj00rn_]

People drive-by shit posting, without anything of substance does nothing to help further the conversation. It only further shits up the thread, hence the term.

This attitude is kinda helpful in the same way as Al Sharpton is helpful for anti-racism cause..which isn't very helpful at all.. People should be able to have an opinion which ever so slightly differ from yours without getting persecuted by a barrage of ad hominems. Should people perhaps sometimes make an effort to explain themselves a little bit better, sure. But do they automatically deserve to be tagged and shot because they don't say exactly what you want to hear, no.

 

[UTIII]

You're talking to a trans person, you know they wish to be refered to with female/male pronouns and you refuse because......

Having a hard time here understanding why you just wouldn't do that rather than seemingly intentionally ignore their rather harmless wish

Why change your own beliefs because of those of someone else? Should atheists, when talking to Hindus, maintain their gods are the only true gods, since it is their rather harmless wish.

How about jus referring to them without male or female pronouns, would that suffice or would you still demand they jump to your command?

 

[FyreWulff]

I edited because I knew posts I would be facing so I tried to precise.

Also, there are scientific theories sure, a lot about every subject.
As people said, you are born man or woman determining the compatible sex. Human didnt decide how to reproduce themselves, on a whim. There is a natural order.

Please actually look up the science on genders. There isn't just two configurations.

For starters, AIS. In which you grow up as a woman but are genetically XY male. Vagina and breasts present, but also testes which usually must be removed when people find out you have no period.

It's also possible to be XX male, in which one of the X chromosomes somehow ends up with the SRY gene on it. You grow up entirely male, but if someone just glanced at your blood test results, you'd appear to be female.

Then there's intergendered persons.

 

[Suikoguy]

This attitude is kinda helpful in the same way as Al Sharpton is helpful for anti-racism cause..which isn't very helpful at all.. People should be able to have an opinion which ever so slightly differ from yours without getting persecuted by a barrage of ad hominems. Should people perhaps sometimes make an effort to explain themselves a little bit better, sure. But do they automatically deserve to be tagged and shot because they don't say exactly what you want to hear, no.

Look at his follow up posts, has he contributed anything of value at all to this thread? Has he articulated any reasoning at all for his opinion?

 

[RipperGrim]

Why change your own beliefs because of those of someone else? Should atheists, when talking to Hindus, maintain their gods are the only true gods, since it is their rather harmless wish.

How about jus referring to them without male or female pronouns, would that suffice or would you still demand they jump to your command?

It's the equivalent of going to hindu and shouting at them their god is not real, sure you can do it but it also makes you a colossal prick. Respecting other people shouldn't need to be explained this exhaustively.

 

[UTIII]

...... Again. People that are born to fit into society's norms will never understand what it's like to be different from the norm. Whether you are gay or you feel like you're born in the wrong gender. Why is it so hard to understand others and just accept their lifestyle? It does not have any impact on you or your life. It's just a form of respect and understanding. It's not that hard! Going against that is simply rude, disrespectful and ignorant.

Good for them, and I'm sure most reasonable people would wish them well.

Accepting someone lifestyle choice is a little different than being forced to address them as something you don't agree with is a completely different matter.

 

[-MD-]

These types of drive by shit posts are so sad.

Because your post was shit. If you can't see that, you won't last long here.

The post was shit, you should know better.

People drive-by shit posting, without anything of substance does nothing to help further the conversation. It only further shits up the thread, hence the term.

Alright, we get it.

 

[CambriaRising]

Good for them, and I'm sure most reasonable people would wish them well.

Accepting someone lifestyle choice is a little different than being forced to address them as something you don't agree with is a completely different matter.

It's not a fucking choice.

 

[UTIII]

It's the equivalent of going to hindu and shouting at them their god is not real, sure you can do it but it also makes you a colossal prick. Respecting other people shouldn't need to be explained this exhaustively.

No it's not, and I agree that would make you a colossal prick, but that simply isn't what is happening here.

The equivalent would be a Christian meeting a Hindu man and stating "may Jesus our lord and saviour keep you safe" and the Hindu stating "not Jesus, Krishna". And then expecting to Christian to go along with it.

 

[BigDes]

Why change your own beliefs because of those of someone else? Should atheists, when talking to Hindus, maintain their gods are the only true gods, since it is their rather harmless wish.

How about jus referring to them without male or female pronouns, would that suffice or would you still demand they jump to your command?

Not asking you to change your beliefs, just wondering what you get for being rude and coming across as hostile.

Why you would intentionally court confrontation when none is necessary or desired.

and sure you could refer to them without using male or female pronouns but I imagine it would become very obvious what you were doing and why very quickly. Especially if English is your first language. Other languages may provide more opportunities to get around this, I don't know.