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[Koh]

Why tweet? Seriously. It seems like the only time people care about what you have to say is if they disagree with you.

Before twitter and Facebook most people tended to keep their views to themselves and those close to them. You don't see me walking up to a stranger on the street and loudly telling them i don't like cat-people.

 

[Corpekata]

Why tweet? Seriously. It seems like the only time people care about what you have to say is if they disagree with you.

Before twitter and Facebook most people tended to keep their views to themselves and those close to them. You don't see me walking up to a stranger on the street and loudly telling them i don't like cat-people.

In this case it is almost certain that these types of tweets got him the job. He's done nothing else noteworthy.

 

[Koh]

In this case it is almost certain that these types of tweets got him the job. He's done nothing else noteworthy.

Strange that this would be something that anyone sought regardless of their social views.

Well if this ends up being the case, at least it's a good indicator of what the site is all about then.

 

[Sojgat]

Will be avoiding anything with this guy's name on it, and the Escapist in general.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Why tweet? Seriously. It seems like the only time people care about what you have to say is if they disagree with you.

Before twitter and Facebook most people tended to keep their views to themselves and those close to them. You don't see me walking up to a stranger on the street and loudly telling them i don't like cat-people.

The bolded isn't true People have been openly saying ignorant things long before Facebook and Twitter.

 

[Kezen]

Disgraceful.

But the Escapist is still one of my favourite site, I'll keep supporting them.

 

[Stereogatari]

do they still have yahtzee?

not that it matters, they lost relevance to me when they lost Jim.

They do but Yahtzee's gimmick got old, I can't remember the last time I watched one of his videos. Also Digg was a big reason why he was popular, every one of his videos used to be posted there back in the day.

You don't see me walking up to a stranger on the street and loudly telling them i don't like cat-people.

HEY! They prefer the term "Furries".

 

[Nekofrog]

it's kind of funny

the people who say "YOU'RE GOING OUT OF YOUR WAY TO BE OFFENDED" don't even realize that nobody is going out of their way to be offended, the person in question is being really fucking offensive for absolutely no reason whatsoever other than that "they can"

 

[Kyoufu]

Just when I had thought The Escapist couldn't get any worse, this happens. How anyone can continue supporting them is beyond me.

 

[bj00rn_]

why does transphobia get a pass when racism and homophobia don't?

Does it? I don't think so? I for one don't think it should. But not everything we think is uncomfortable needs to go from zero to a hundred in retaliation. It often make things worse because it forces people to harden their stance wheter it's transphobia racism or homophobia. We'll never get there 100%, but generally things are already better. Homophobia compared to just a few years ago, it's night and day. ...Except for Russia f.ex. which is going the completely opposite way unfortunately.. I think that's (make Russia a better place i that regard) a better direction to divert our energy at.

 

[Fevaweva]

The fact that they fired Movie Bob now makes a lot more sense.

 

[Nanashrew]

Oh boy he just tweeted this link: http://theralphretort.com/thank-you-the-escapist-still-listens-to-consumers-2022015/

For those not familiar, the tagline of that website is literally "TheRalphRetort.com - #GamerGate 4 Life", good stuff

Yeah. A screenshot of a GAF post of mine should be on their site too where they try to call me out and laugh at me over what I said about Milo.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

The fact that they fired Movie Bob now makes a lot more sense.

Movie Bob is virtually hanging with the Film Crit Hulk over at TDB now, their loss is our boon.

 

[KDR_11k]

Well, the Escapist could in theory still let him go if they weren't aware of his public conduct since he's probably not past his trial period.

I do find it funny that GG and The Escapist are so close to each other when GG is always angry about clickbait and TE has straight up top 8 lists AKA the most blatant clickbait out there.

 

[Sesuadra]

And I forgot to say this, but yeah, oni-link said it really well. It's not changing your gender, it's adapting to your actual gender.

Maybe you should have explained first that there is a difference between sex and gender. Some people think gender=sex.

 

[RooMHM]

Maybe you should have explained first that there is a difference between sex and gender. Some people think gender=sex.

Because you say so?
As far as I m concerned biology determines sex and gender.
I won t go on hating gays/lesbians/trans because I m a respectful person though.

Gender Theory, and I insist on the word Theory, isnt plebiscited in France and I m grateful for that.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

The fact that they fired Movie Bob now makes a lot more sense.

He got fired? What's the story here?

 

[oni-link]

Because you say so?
As far as I m concerned biology determines sex and gender.

Then you're wrong, though you are entitled to your scientifically inaccurate opinion

 

[mollipen]

Because you say so?
As far as I m concerned biology determines sex and gender.

When it comes to who is really in a place to determine one's gender, I'd say the order of who has a say would break down as follows:

#1: The person themselves
#2: Scientific proof and evidence
#3: Medical professionals
...
#99: Anyone else

 

[forms]

It would be interesting if people like that spent as much reading up on the latest medical news before they went on spreading their bullshit. Then again, containing it to the Escapist makes it easy to avoid by just not visiting.

 

[RooMHM]

I edited because I knew posts I would be facing so I tried to precise.

Also, there are scientific theories sure, a lot about every subject.
As people said, you are born man or woman determining the compatible sex. Human didnt decide how to reproduce themselves, on a whim. There is a natural order.

 

[HolyBaikal]

I don't know what causes gender identity.

But I do know that I like being feminine. Not every single feminine thing, but I like being feminine. And I prefer feminine pronouns.

I think there's more to someone than what they're assigned at birth. Or one body part.

 

[Jintor]

I edited because I knew posts I would be facing so I tried to precise.

Also, there are scientific theories sure, a lot about every subject.
As people said, you are born man or woman determining the compatible sex. Human didnt decide how to reproduce themselves, on a whim. There is a natural order.

appeal to nature fallacy

 

[King_Moc]

Because you say so?
As far as I m concerned biology determines sex and gender.
I won t go on hating gays/lesbians/trans because I m a respectful person though.

Gender Theory, and I insist on the word Theory, isnt plebiscited in France and I m grateful for that.

The only evidence we can go on is what the people affected by this actually say themselves. They disagree with you. Given that they actually have experience of it, i'm gonna go with them.

 

[Simbabbad]

The only thing this man is saying is he won't say "she" or "her" for someone who to him looks obviously male, and he won't say "he" or "him" for someone who to him looks obviously female. Obviously, transsexual people who look like their adopted gender aren't even concerned by his tweet, neither are the post-op people who are simply men or women and not transsexuals any more.

This thread is ridiculously overreacting, in the usual Internet lynch mob way. He's not even "transphobic", and his work is entirely unrelated to this "issue". Would you refuse to take a shower if the guy who fixed the water supply in your building won't say "she" to talk about someone who looks like a man?

 

[Funyarinpa]

The only thing this man is saying is he won't say "she" or "her" for someone who to him looks obviously male, and he won't say "he" or "him" for someone who to him looks obviously female. Obviously, transsexual people who look like their adopted gender aren't even concerned by his tweet, neither are the post-op people who are simply men or women and not transsexuals any more.

This thread is ridiculously overreacting, in the usual Internet lynch mob way. He's not even "transphobic", and his work is entirely unrelated to this "issue". Would you refuse to take a shower if the guy who fixed the water supply in your building won't say "she" to talk about someone who looks like a man?

This person is saying he won't respect transgender people, because he doesn't want to.

 

[RooMHM]

The only evidence we can go on is what the people affected by this actually say themselves. They disagree with you. Given that they actually have experience of it, i'm gonna go with them.

How would they not ? It s of course interesting to hear them out but does is it objective proof/fact?

 

[Walshicus]

When it comes to who is really in a place to determine one's gender, I'd say the order of who has a say would break down as follows:

#1: The person themselves
#2: Scientific proof and evidence
#3: Medical professionals
...
#99: Anyone else

Except we do this for pretty much nothing else. If you're trying to convince that gender is separate from sex (and I guess I'm not convinced) then you're pushing it as a social construct, where like all other social constructs it is society not individuals that delineate.

 

[oni-link]

I edited because I knew posts I would be facing so I tried to precise.

Also, there are scientific theories sure, a lot about every subject.
As people said, you are born man or woman determining the compatible sex. Human didnt decide how to reproduce themselves, on a whim. There is a natural order.

Its not, and dismissing anything as "just a scientific theory" is normally the sign of a terrible argument

Gender is something society has created, boys like blue, action figures and sport, girls like pink and dolls, none of this comes from nature, and in fact there are millions of species where the female is stronger, bigger, faster, dominant

People refusing to accept that might seem frivolous and petty but its this attitude, normally coming from ignorance, that is why people who are conflicted over their gender kill themselves at an alarming rate, which is why people are disgusted at the twitter comments

 

[Suikoguy]

Oh boy he just tweeted this link: http://theralphretort.com/thank-you-the-escapist-still-listens-to-consumers-2022015/

For those not familiar, the tagline of that website is literally "TheRalphRetort.com - #GamerGate 4 Life", good stuff

Well, time to change the Escapist to GamerGate HQ then.
Who the fuck is in charge over there? Do they really think going in this direction will work that well?

 

[Simbabbad]

This person is saying he won't respect transgender people, because he doesn't want to.

No, that's what you make out of it, you're ignoring what he actually says exactly like you ignore my entire post, all this because this thread is a lynch mob thread, and God forbid you try to understand people's views before burning them.

 

[King_Moc]

How would they not ? It s of course interesting to hear rhem out but does is it objective proof/fact?

No, it's very hard to objectively prove anything with relation to peoples psyche, but it does appear to be the most likely answer.

I edited because I knew posts I would be facing so I tried to precise.

Also, there are scientific theories sure, a lot about every subject.
As people said, you are born man or woman determining the compatible sex. Human didnt decide how to reproduce themselves, on a whim. There is a natural order.

You say there is a natural order to how human's reproduce, but you do realise that it's not just a human thing, right? All the evidence suggests that it's entirely natural for homosexuality to show up anywhere. Maybe some of them even identify as their opposite gender?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

 

[RooMHM]

Its not, and dismissing anything as "just a scientific theory" is normally the sign of a terrible argument

Gender is something society has created, boys like blue, action figures and sport, girls like pink and dolls, none of this comes from nature, and in fact there are millions of species where the female is stronger, bigger, faster, dominant

People refusing to accept that might seem frivolous and petty but its this attitude, normally coming from ignorance, that is why people who are conflicted over their gender kill themselves at an alarming rate, which is why people are disgusted at the twitter comments

What you re describing is in fact the social construct, the culture we built. But nobody should impede you to like things linked to the opposite social construct. Except when it s smashing against the wall of facts, reality and nature. It s not offensive to say that wanting to be a man if you re a woman and vice versa is "unnatural".
And dont go into that ground, I m totally for helping these people.

No, it's very hard to objectively prove anything with relation to peoples psyche, but it does appear to be the most likely answer.



You say there is a natural order to how human's reproduce, but you do realise that it's not just a human thing, right? All the evidence suggests that it's entirely natural for homosexuality to show up anywhere. Maybe some of them even identify as their opposite gender?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

It is impossible to prove something based on psyche. That s the issue a lot of people want to ignore.

Yes there are homosexual manifestations among animals, thanks for informing me. Maybe they think they are the opposite sex. Who knows ? Thing is this kind of behavior is unnatural and nature wins at the end.

 

[UTIII]

Don't see the issue, he's entitled to his opinions and isn't exactly being offensive.

 

[CambriaRising]

No, that's what you make out of it, you're ignoring what he actually says exactly like you ignore my entire post, all this because this thread is a lynch mob thread, and God forbid you try to understand people's views before burning them.

He guy is a transphobe.

The evidence is clear in this thread. No one misunderstood him, no one is piling on based on circumstantial hearsay. He literally said those things. Over and over again.

There is no debate to be had on that. It's irrefutable.

Don't see the issue, he's entitled to his opinions and isn't exactly being offensive.

Except for the part where is offends transgender people and then goes on to build an excuse to use racial slurs freely.

 

[Walshicus]

Its not, and dismissing anything as "just a scientific theory" is normally the sign of a terrible argument

Gender is something society has created, boys like blue, action figures and sport, girls like pink and dolls, none of this comes from nature, and in fact there are millions of species where the female is stronger, bigger, faster, dominant

People refusing to accept that might seem frivolous and petty but its this attitude, normally coming from ignorance, that is why people who are conflicted over their gender kill themselves at an alarming rate, which is why people are disgusted at the twitter comments

This is a disturbing and frankly disgusting argument you're using. You're trying to pin responsibility for a stream of suicides on pretty much everyone who disagrees with you here. "Believe what I believe or there's blood on your hands" seems shameless.

 

[Amalthea]

The only thing this man is saying is he won't say "she" or "her" for someone who to him looks obviously male, and he won't say "he" or "him" for someone who to him looks obviously female. Obviously, transsexual people who look like their adopted gender aren't even concerned by his tweet, neither are the post-op people who are simply men or women and not transsexuals any more.

You know that people can care for others even if they don't have the same problems?

 

[mollipen]

Except we do this for pretty much nothing else. If you're trying to convince that gender is separate from sex (and I guess I'm not convinced) then you're pushing it as a social construct, where like all other social constructs it is society not individuals that delineate.

Gender is not a social construct. Some elements of gender preference? Absolutely. Not gender identity.

Sex is literally what you physical body is. That's sex. Gender is how your brain (and your heart) identifies itself.

 

[HolyBaikal]

The only thing this man is saying is he won't say "she" or "her" for someone who to him looks obviously male

I'm not sure what to say to someone saying "obviously male".

But even if someone doesn't pass, if they have a gender identity, it's nice to call them what they want to be called.

Many cisgender women like presenting in a very masculine fashion and could pass as a man if they wanted to. But prefer pronouns like she, and identify as the women they were assigned as at birth.

And there are many men who identity as men, but present as, and pass as women.

 

[jakonovski]

I don't think I like this new political gaming scene. Makes me sad that things get reduced to looking for fifth columns and radfems and gamergaters under the bed.

 

[oni-link]

What you re describing is in fact the social construct, the culture we built. But nobody should impede you to like things linked to the opposite social construct. Except when it s smashing against the wall of facts, reality and nature. It s not offensive to say that wanting to be a man if you re a woman and vice versa is "unnatural".
And dont go into that ground, I m totally for helping these people.

Yes it is, in the same way that its wrong to say homosexuality is unnatural, since you know, it appears all over nature on a consistent basis

You're arbitrarily defining nature as something that fits with how you personally think and using that as a starting point to debate, which is why you're wrong

If you want to help these people then don't tell them they're unnatural, and it's this attitude towards people who are trans, that is harmful.

I'm not saying you're personally being an awful person, but the fact loads of people don't understand or say these people are "going against nature" contributes to an attitude that does real damage

 

[Suikoguy]

Don't see the issue, he's entitled to his opinions and isn't exactly being offensive.

These types of drive by shit posts are so sad.

Like, why even bothering posting at all?

You contributed absolutely nothing of substance.

If you don't think he is being offensive, then at least provide some fucking reasoning.

 

[Lowlander2]

In these topics I've been given to saying, "yeah this is bad, but at least he didn't leak someone's email and brag about it". But transphobia? Yeah, that'd top it.

The counterpoint would be that The Escapist can do whatever and hire whoever it wants, and this is true. But so can their audience, prospective or otherwise, and it'll be really hard for me to keep following them from here on out.

 

[UTIII]

Except for the part where is offends transgender people and then goes on to build an excuse to use racial slurs freely.

Seems to me all he is sayin is if you want to be a man or woman today, great that's your choice but don't expect him to play along. His choice shouldn't be decided by your choice / beliefs.

What racial slurs?

 

[BigDes]

I don't think I like this new political gaming scene. Makes me sad that things get reduced to looking for fifth columns and radfems and gamergaters under the bed.

Gaming, or at least games have always somewhat been political. Except now we've moved away from things we don't see as political (holy shit look how cool America's military might is etc) to things that make us start to feel a bit uncomfortable (what exactly is going on under those trousers/that skirt etc) that people have started to react.

It's quite sad really.

 

[UTIII]

These types of drive by shit posts are so sad.

Like, why even bothering posting at all?

You contributed absolutely nothing of substance.

It's a drive by shit post because I genuinely don't see anything wrong with his Twitter message?

Are shits posts, posts you don't agree with?

 

[HolyBaikal]

Gender is not a social construct.

If you don't mind me asking...

Do you think it's transphobic when people say that gender is a social construct?

 

[bj00rn_]

Gender is something society has created, boys like blue, action figures and sport, girls like pink and dolls, none of this comes from nature, and in fact there are millions of species where the female is stronger, bigger, faster, dominant

I think you are obviously confusing yourself here. Gender is not something society "has created". Gender ROLES however is often created by society.

 

[CambriaRising]

Seems to me all he is sayin is if you want to be a man or woman today, great that's your choice but don't expect him to play along. His choice shouldn't be decided by your choice / beliefs.

What racial slurs?

His "choice" not only makes him a transphobe, but also an asshole. It's not hard to make things easier on one of the most oppressed minority groups by simply calling them by the preffered pronoun. Would it hurt him at all to extend that extremely small kindness? No, it wouldn't at all. That's why he's a fucking asshole.

And:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=153096248

 

[BigDes]

It's a drive by shit post because I genuinely don't see anything wrong with his Twitter message?

Are shits posts, posts you don't agree with?

How much does it hurt you to call someone ma'am instead of sir or sir instead of ma'am?

You can I suppose keep whatever ideas you have about trans people but to call someone by the opposite gender to what you know they prefer to be called just seems, willfully rude.