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The ex-gay files: The bizarre world of gay-to-straight conversion (EPIC quotes)

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water_wendi

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ivysaur12 said:
Setting my feelings on gay pride parades aside:

Every day is fucking straight pride day.

Yea :lol

When the day comes that straight people have to come out to family and friends as heterosexual, when people are put into hospitals because they got "straight bashed", when clinics pop up to use dubious therapies to "get the straight out", thats when Straight Pride parades will come around.
 
bathhouseterror said:
The great thing about gays is that it's harder for them to procreate.
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xelios

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ivysaur12 said:
Eh, I think it matters to an extent. I definitely wouldn't have chosen this life if I was somehow given the choice.



So prove we were born that way. Then religious institutions can start funding research to cure the "defect" that causes it and a movement to eradicate homosexuality. Born or choice, when it comes to religion it's a losing battle so I couldn't care less.
 

Gaborn

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eissan said:
noob here :)

quick question. When did most people realize you were straight or gay/lesbian? I realized I was straight when I was about 13 when I started realizing I found girls with curvy chests attractive.

I guess I REALLY started realizing around 13 or so, but looking back I can remember things like looking at other boys in the pool when I was 8 (and ignoring the girls), or thinking a boy's butt looked cute (but not thinking similar things about girls) while we were playing stratego on the floor.




also for the people who are saying that your born gay isnt it still not 100% fact? by that I mean they havent found the gene or whatever that causes you to be not straight(same goes for the other side of the argument) so maybe neither side should be claiming they are right?

Yes and no. It's not necessarily 100% genetic. PD mentioned twin studies, and what they show is a statistically significant increased likelihood of homosexuality in twins (if one twin is gay, the other is more likely to be gay), but not a 100% correlation. Scientists are generally pretty well convinced that sexuality is probably a combination of genetic predisposition and exposure to certain hormones at certain times in the womb.

For a really good look at some of that research here is a video. and part 2.




I dunno I personally dont care if you are straight or not as long as either way its not being thrown in my face IE gay pride day and the reason for that is because well we dont have a straight pride day! what happens in the privacy of your own home should not have a effect on what happens outside it.

I agree with the first part of your statement to some degree, I think it IS a good thing for gays to have pride in themselves, self esteem is a huge issue in the gay community largely because of the negative environment gays are often exposed to by people that have issues with people being gay, but I think "gay pride" will become less and less necessary as people realize it's a normal status.

As for the second point - again, I agree, with the caveat that I've had people react negatively to a "normal" level of affection, i. e. holding hands, a hug, a light peck on the cheek, etc. I don't want to see a heterosexual couple making out and exploring each other's tonsils and I have the same level of respect for people around me, but at the same time if you are suggesting we shouldn't have ANY PDAs at ALL then I disagree so long as it's to a level that any heterosexual couple would go to.
 

DonMigs85

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bathhouseterror said:
The great thing about gays is that it's harder for them to procreate.
One day they might be able to take genetic material and convert or implant it into a surrogate egg and mother so that same-sex couples can one day have actual biological kids.
Of course it'll likely be prohibitively expensive at first.
Still I'm all for more nice gay couples since it means more possible adoptions and less overpopulation thru breeding.
 
The argument that they choose to be gay is hilarious every time. Why yes, this small group of people chooses to be the target of prejudice, discrimination, hate, and physical attacks. Sounds like great fun to me.
 

Raist

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eissan said:
noob here :)

quick question. When did most people realize you were straight or gay/lesbian? I realized I was straight when I was about 13 when I started realizing I found girls with curvy chests attractive.

also for the people who are saying that your born gay isnt it still not 100% fact? by that I mean they havent found the gene or whatever that causes you to be not straight(same goes for the other side of the argument) so maybe neither side should be claiming they are right?

I dunno I personally dont care if you are straight or not as long as either way its not being thrown in my face IE gay pride day and the reason for that is because well we dont have a straight pride day! what happens in the privacy of your own home should not have a effect on what happens outside it.

It's purely because there is no such thing as a "homosexuality gene", just like there is no "intelligence gene" and so on.

Many diseases (I am NOT saying that homosexuality is a disease, kthx) are multifactorial, thus genetics alone can't explain everything, except for a handful of well characterized monogenic conditions.

It's not just black or white, I think some people (on both sides of the fence) should try to understand that.
 

Gaborn

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xelios said:
So prove we were born that way. Then religious institutions can start funding research to cure the "defect" that causes it and a movement to eradicate homosexuality. Born or choice, when it comes to religion it's a losing battle so I couldn't care less.

It's funny though. For gays to expect equal treatment under the law some people want us to PROVE we were born gay. Yet no religious person would ever ever ever have to prove the same thing about their beliefs. I mean, show me the baptist gene! (or Catholic, Hindu, Muslim, Animist, etc)
 

ivysaur12

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xelios said:
So prove we were born that way. Then religious institutions can start funding research to cure the "defect" that causes it and a movement to eradicate homosexuality. Born or choice, when it comes to religion it's a losing battle so I couldn't care less.

There's a difference from environmental factors and choice. Saying homosexuality is a choice that can easily be switched devalues the struggles that we've had to go through.

Raist said:
It's purely because there is no such thing as a "homosexuality gene", just like there is no "intelligence gene" and so on.

Many diseases (I am NOT saying that homosexuality is a disease, kthx) are multifactorial, thus genetics alone can't explain everything, except for a handful of well characterized monogenic conditions.

It's not just black or white, I think some people (on both sides of the fence) should try to understand that.

Yes.
 

BitchTits

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eissan said:
quick question. When did most people realize you were straight or gay/lesbian? I realized I was straight when I was about 13 when I started realizing I found girls with curvy chests attractive.
Most gay people will say they realised they were "different" from a very early age, like 5 or 6, or even earlier, or they will say they just always felt that way.
 

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ivysaur12 said:
There's a difference from environmental factors and choice. Saying homosexuality is a choice that can easily be switched devalues the struggles that we've had to go through.

I'm not disagreeing or talking about environmental factors, but the people who think it'd be some major victory to find a "gay gene" or prove homosexuality is innate, not realizing the new battle against religious organizations that would come along with it. Fighting against research to cure homosexuality, selective abortions for homosexual fetuses, etc. Much worse potential than having to argue about the cause with bigots, imo. You might call me paranoid but that's exactly what would happen with such a discovery.
 
Wormdundee said:
The argument that they choose to be gay is hilarious every time. Why yes, this small group of people chooses to be the target of prejudice, discrimination, hate, and physical attacks. Sounds like great fun to me.
This is why it is a mental illness, one of the most serious in America today.

I am not being serious, of course.

I noticed a few posters brought up nature v. nurture or biological v. environmental. Those debates are over. Stop your dichotomous thinking. We inherit genes, which are expressed in various ways as a result of interacting with our environments. Genes influence behaviours, behaviours influence gene expression, environment influences gene expression, etc. It is an ongoing process.

Saying environment contributes more than genetics to produce a given sexual orientation is like saying heat contributes more than water to produce steam. We cannot separate the two. Everything has a biological basis.

e: I started getting crushes on girls around grade 5... so 10-years-old.
 

ivysaur12

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xelios said:
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying so many people think it'd be some major victory to find a "gay gene" or prove homosexuality is innate, not realizing the new battle against religious organizations that would come along with it. Fighting against research to cure homosexuality, selective abortions for homosexual fetuses, etc. Much worse potential than having to argue about the cause with bigots, imo. You might call me paranoid but that's exactly what would happen with such a discovery.

Oh I totally agree, I would be scared if they discovered a gay gene anytime soon.
 

Gaborn

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xelios said:
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying so many people think it'd be some major victory to find a "gay gene" or prove homosexuality is innate, not realizing the new battle against religious organizations that would come along with it. Fighting against research to cure homosexuality, selective abortions for homosexual fetuses, etc. Much worse potential than having to argue about the cause with bigots, imo. You might call me paranoid but that's exactly what would happen with such a discovery.

I know, I completely agree with you. That's why I'm suggesting we take it even further. If religions don't have to justify their beliefs, why justify ours? We say we're born gay, but even if someone doesn't believe us.... so what? They don't ask other groups who make what (I presume at least) they believe are "choices" to prove they're somehow "more valid" by being caused by genetics.
 

Pimpbaa

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I went gay for a brief moment a little while ago. Just long enough to blurt out "FAABULOUS!" and then I switched back. Very odd.
 
xelios said:
I'm not disagreeing or talking about environmental factors, but the people who think it'd be some major victory to find a "gay gene" or prove homosexuality is innate, not realizing the new battle against religious organizations that would come along with it. Fighting against research to cure homosexuality, selective abortions for homosexual fetuses, etc. Much worse potential than having to argue about the cause with bigots, imo. You might call me paranoid but that's exactly what would happen with such a discovery.
Hm. I know some religions believe children are born impure, but I know the Catholics don't, nor do some Protestants. Babies are a blank template made by God, right? So if scientists did discover this hypothetical 'gay' gene, it would prove that God intended for those children to be gay. Certain religious types say homosexuality is a choice and that homosexuals were born the same as everyone else. It seems this would argue against their way of thinking. I'm guessing most would simply ignore the scientific evidence... I can't see them using this as some sort of crusade, but I dunno
 
My brother is gay. Well, to clarify, we are step-brothers. We became family members very early in age. I was one and he was two years old. My step-father and his biological father has and continues to be the epitome of macho. Lifts weights, watches sports, etc. etc.

Being so close in age, the both of us had a very similar up-bringing. We were involved in many different athletic activities, and were even disallowed from entering Boy Scouts on the grounds that it was "faggy," as decided by our father.

My brother was always different than me--for as long as I remember. As a disclaimer, I'm not trying to typify "gay" behavior or what not. Anyway, I can remember very early, around 7 or 8 he would often dress in our older (my biological) sister's clothing--on multiple occasions.

During the early hair-gel encrusted nineties, he would often agonize for hours in front of the mirror before we were supposed to go to school. He would sometimes cry because he couldn't get his hair to look right (he'd even refuse to go to school if the hair wouldn't cooperate).

Pretty early on, he became extremely sexually active. To this day, he's slept with far more women than I ever have (or would want to)--all between the ages of 14-18. I recall he had made friends with a gay boy during this time. They were pretty good friends for a while, but eventually they ended up in a physical confrontation after said friend made a sexual advance. My brother put a hole in our basement wall with his friend's body. Looking back, it seems obvious that he knew about his sexuality much sooner than he came out, and acted out against it.

Well, sometime when I was a freshmen in high school (and he a sophomore), I stumbled upon some gay porno on the household computer. It was a pretty huge mind-fuck for me at the time. I thought it was my step-dad at first, then I thought maybe my sister was the owner--but then I figured I was rationalizing a bit much. I confronted my brother about it, but he only blamed it on one of his friends.

My brother had his last heterosexual relationship when he was 18. It suddenly became very obvious that he had been so for quite sometime--a very long time. He did not decide to be gay, nobody made him gay. He was just gay.

In a painfully stereotypical turn of events, he went on to have a lot of irresponsible sex when he moved out of my parents' home. He contracted HIV and is now living a pretty tough life and is currently living at my parents.

I just want to explain very clearly that my brother did not choose to live this life. He did not up and decide one day, "Oh, well, I suppose life would be much more fun if I were to be gay. Then I will surely be ostracized and disdained by my own father, mother, and many many ignorant strangers!"

It is difficult for me to see what environmental factors he had imposed upon him that I did not--as we were raised very similarly with a very small gap in age. In hindsight there are many specific events that need not be shared that shed light on his homosexuality from a very early age.

I know that there is a bit of a conflict on whether or not homosexuality is genetic, so I'm not willing to say ye or nay here. However, it seems apparent from my isolated experience that biological predispositions (not necessarily heredity based, but possible developmentally, etc.) play a large part in an individual's place on the sexual spectrum.

I find these sexual conversion therapists to be despicable pieces of shit of the very worst kind and wish nothing but pain and doom upon them. Nobody would choose a life of inner conflict and overpowering social disapproval. This isn't some kinda of mental illness, phase, joke, or any other thing. This is another human's life. FUCK YOU.
 

Dead Man

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gumshoe said:
If you are asking for a source, as in a study or a scientific finding, then I have nothing for you. But I don't need a study to tell me something that is pretty obvious.

I can trace the reasons why homosexulaity developed for all of the gay people that I closely know. Some deny it, and some don't even realize that I know they are gay.

these factors are some of the reasons why homosexuality develops in people, but it doesn't always necessarily mean that people will turn gay because of them:

- Lack of a strong father figure. (no father, dad was too busy, etc..)
- Too attached to their mothers.
- Surrounded by sisters, with no males around him to form bonds with.
- Abused during childhood/teenage years.
- Faced Rejection by a female during childhood/teenage years, and that rejection left a lasting impact.
Worst gumshoe ever.
 
Wormdundee said:
The argument that they choose to be gay is hilarious every time. Why yes, this small group of people chooses to be the target of prejudice, discrimination, hate, and physical attacks. Sounds like great fun to me.

Oh my god please stop spreading this shit. Being gay is awesome, don't make it sound irrational that someone would choose it.
 

The Stealth Fox

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Side note (partly unrelated to the discussion): to all of those who are implying "mental illness" is a choice, uhh, there's also scientific literature regarding the behavioral genetics of things like anxiety, depression, aggression, as well as various studies on schizophrenia that show that it pretty much isn't.

I mean, no one chooses to be schizo just because they want to screw with people. Let's not degrade the struggles of another group just because people are spreading ignorance about yours.
 

Gaborn

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The Stealth Fox said:
Side note (partly unrelated to the discussion): to all of those who are implying "mental illness" is a choice, uhh, there's also scientific literature regarding the behavioral genetics as well as various studies on schizophrenia that show that it pretty much isn't.

I mean, no one chooses to be schizo just because they want to screw with people. Let's not degrade the struggles of another group just because people are spreading ignorance about yours.

Wait... are you trying to suggest homosexuality is a mental illness?

thelooseteeth - touching story about your brother. I hope he's doing ok!
 

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gumshoe said:
If you are asking for a source, as in a study or a scientific finding, then I have nothing for you. But I don't need a study to tell me something that is pretty obvious.

I can trace the reasons why homosexulaity developed for all of the gay people that I closely know. Some deny it, and some don't even realize that I know they are gay.

these factors are some of the reasons why homosexuality develops in people, but it doesn't always necessarily mean that people will turn gay because of them:

- Lack of a strong father figure. (no father, dad was too busy, etc..)
- Too attached to their mothers.
- Surrounded by sisters, with no males around him to form bonds with.
- Abused during childhood/teenage years.
- Faced Rejection by a female during childhood/teenage years, and that rejection left a lasting impact.
I never had any of those.
I had an extremely overbearing father while I probably spoke less than 10 words a day on average to my mother. No sisters. And not to sound like I'm bragging, but I would probably get 3 or 4 girls a year to advance on me while doing absolutely nothing to want it.
 

Gaborn

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The Stealth Fox said:
No, but someone implied mental illness was a choice.

ah, ok. Yeah, that's a stupid idea. Like saying getting pneumonia is a "choice" or getting chicken pox is a "choice," etc.
 

xelios

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The Stealth Fox said:
No, but someone implied mental illness was a choice.

Who implied that? I must have missed it, hope it wasn't me. I certainly know mental illness is not a choice.
 

-viper-

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thelooseteeth said:
My brother is gay. Well, to clarify, we are step-brothers. We became family members very early in age. I was one and he was two years old. My step-father and his biological father has and continues to be the epitome of macho. Lifts weights, watches sports, etc. etc.

Being so close in age, the both of us had a very similar up-bringing. We were involved in many different athletic activities, and were even disallowed from entering Boy Scouts on the grounds that it was "faggy," as decided by our father.

My brother was always different than me--for as long as I remember. As a disclaimer, I'm not trying to typify "gay" behavior or what not. Anyway, I can remember very early, around 7 or 8 he would often dress in our older (my biological) sister's clothing--on multiple occasions.

During the early hair-gel encrusted nineties, he would often agonize for hours in front of the mirror before we were supposed to go to school. He would sometimes cry because he couldn't get his hair to look right (he'd even refuse to go to school if the hair wouldn't cooperate).

Pretty early on, he became extremely sexually active. To this day, he's slept with far more women than I ever have (or would want to)--all between the ages of 14-18. I recall he had made friends with a gay boy during this time. They were pretty good friends for a while, but eventually they ended up in a physical confrontation after said friend made a sexual advance. My brother put a hole in our basement wall with his friend's body. Looking back, it seems obvious that he knew about his sexuality much sooner than he came out, and acted out against it.

Well, sometime when I was a freshmen in high school (and he a sophomore), I stumbled upon some gay porno on the household computer. It was a pretty huge mind-fuck for me at the time. I thought it was my step-dad at first, then I thought maybe my sister was the owner--but then I figured I was rationalizing a bit much. I confronted my brother about it, but he only blamed it on one of his friends.

My brother had his last heterosexual relationship when he was 18. It suddenly became very obvious that he had been so for quite sometime--a very long time. He did not decide to be gay, nobody made him gay. He was just gay.

In a painfully stereotypical turn of events, he went on to have a lot of irresponsible sex when he moved out of my parents' home. He contracted HIV and is now living a pretty tough life and is currently living at my parents.

I just want to explain very clearly that my brother did not choose to live this life. He did not up and decide one day, "Oh, well, I suppose life would be much more fun if I were to be gay. Then I will surely be ostracized and disdained by my own father, mother, and many many ignorant strangers!"

It is difficult for me to see what environmental factors he had imposed upon him that I did not--as we were raised very similarly with a very small gap in age. In hindsight there are many specific events that need not be shared that shed light on his homosexuality from a very early age.

I know that there is a bit of a conflict on whether or not homosexuality is genetic, so I'm not willing to say ye or nay here. However, it seems apparent from my isolated experience that biological predispositions (not necessarily heredity based, but possible developmentally, etc.) play a large part in an individual's place on the sexual spectrum.

I find these sexual conversion therapists to be despicable pieces of shit of the very worst kind and wish nothing but pain and doom upon them. Nobody would choose a life of inner conflict and overpowering social disapproval. This isn't some kinda of mental illness, phase, joke, or any other thing. This is another human's life. FUCK YOU.
this hardly sounds like he was born gay.
 

Gaborn

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-viper- said:
this hardly sounds like he was born gay.

Honestly sounds more like he was born bisexual, but it's CERTAINLY not unheard of for a gay guy for his own reasons (fitting in, trying to "force himself" to like girls, etc) to have heterosexual sex.
 
Wiseblade said:
That's just sad. The part about alienating mothers really depresses me. These aren't the kind of words that should be coming out of a Christian's mouth. The process sounds sleazier every time I hear about it.

Luke 14:26

ivysaur12 said:
Oh I totally agree, I would be scared if they discovered a gay gene anytime soon.

Don't be. You are protected by their views on abortion...



Until they figure out a ret-con.
 
"The following session takes place on the phone as Lynne is abroad. This time, she focuses on the practical. She recommends that I distance myself from my gay friends and take up a sport such as rugby. "

Clearly.

rugby_maul.jpg
 

The Stealth Fox

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Gaborn said:
ah, ok. Yeah, that's a stupid idea. Like saying getting pneumonia is a "choice" or getting chicken pox is a "choice," etc.

The point of contention in this discussion is that the acceptance of homosexuality by the APA is because of it's definition of mental illness.

There has to be a severe quality of life impairment as well as it shouldn't affect other people, and that's the definition researchers use.

In our behavioral genetics lecture, our professor talked about the genetics of criminality and so on, and how a Mao-A polymorphism can lead to increased amounts of aggression in males.

But the legal consequences of such a study are dangerous. But the reason aggression is treated because it can harm others in a direct, immediate fashion.

Homosexuality isn't treated because it isn't seen as an illness. Homosexuality isn't treated because there's no clinically proven way to treat it. And there's no reason for science to do so.

But all of this is inconsequential, because the science doesn't really establish anything.

And if science were to find some purely biological basis for homosexuality that is treatable (like some pill that could convert urges), that would have social, ethical, and legal consequences.

The reason I'm making this rant is that the issue of science is completely irrelevant in the issue regarding the moral and legal acceptability of homosexuality. All of these discussions underlie a philosophical point of contention. It goes beyond the science of nature vs. nuture. Hence "culture war " etc. etc.
 
Gaborn said:
Honestly sounds more like he was born bisexual, but it's CERTAINLY not unheard of for a gay guy for his own reasons (fitting in, trying to "force himself" to like girls, etc) to have heterosexual sex.

Perhaps I down-played the machismo that was being imposed upon both me and him by our father. I know from my own discussions with him that much of the female-fuckery he engaged in was to prove to himself he was "manly" or whatever the fuck. As a side note, the chics he banged were horrendous--but that's just my opinion.

Also, I'm hard-pressed to except black and white terms on sexuality. Gay, Bi, and Straight down quite describe the intricacy of what appears to be a continuum of sexual attraction that varies widely from individual to individual.

I'm with one of the above posters who's gist was that biological factors and environmental factors are intertwined in their determination of the characteristics of the individual--inseparable.
 

Ollie Pooch

In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
started with religious lunacy, ended with hot webcam session. awesome :D

and lol @ the armchair experts in this thread claiming they have 'figured out' their gay mates. how many? 2?
 

Replicant

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eissan said:
noob here :)

quick question. When did most people realize you were straight or gay/lesbian? I realized I was straight when I was about 13 when I started realizing I found girls with curvy chests attractive.

I thought something was weird when I felt sad that my male kindergarten friend couldn't stay with me in my house. But back then of course I didn't think that it was same-sex attraction. But when I was teenagers, there'd be all of these TV series that I'd watch and I find that I was always attracted to the male characters (even the cartoon/2D ones :p).

thelooseteeth said:
I find these sexual conversion therapists to be despicable pieces of shit of the very worst kind and wish nothing but pain and doom upon them. Nobody would choose a life of inner conflict and overpowering social disapproval. This isn't some kinda of mental illness, phase, joke, or any other thing. This is another human's life. FUCK YOU.

This, pretty much. I mean why the fuck would I choose to be alienated, to have my friends suddenly avoiding me, to feel lonely most of the time because society frowns upon any attraction to same sex so it's 10x as difficult to find someone interested. Whereas if a guy asks a girl out on a date, the worst he can get is rejection. If the same guy asks another guy for a date, he would be lucky to just get rejected.
 

Gaborn

Member
thelooseteeth said:
Perhaps I down-played the machismo that was being imposed upon both me and him by our father. I know from my own discussions with him that much of the female-fuckery he engaged in was to prove to himself he was "manly" or whatever the fuck. As a side note, the chics he banged were horrendous--but that's just my opinion.

Yeah, I understand. The "hyper masculine" idea that gays are "sissies" and you don't wanna be a "sissy" and men are beer swilling football watching, hairy chested guys who love fast cars, hot, easy women, and good cheap beer. Or something like that. Which isn't so far off from my personality really (well a little off, I'm ok with beer, not so crazy about women, but I LOVE football), but I know the stereotype.

Also, I'm hard-pressed to except black and white terms on sexuality. Gay, Bi, and Straight down quite describe the intricacy of what appears to be a continuum of sexual attraction that varies widely from individual to individual.

That's exactly right. I was over simplifying to be sure.

I'm with one of the above posters who's gist was that biological factors and environmental factors are intertwined in their determination of the characteristics of the individual--inseparable.

It's possible.
 

Haunted

Member
What the fuck? How are these people allowed to still practice as psychologists/psychotherapists?

Throw them out of whatever governing body there is for that in the UK (BACP?).
 

Burger

Member
saltinekracka said:
I don't think it's genetic. You can almost always trace it back to some kind of problem in the home. Abuse, no father figure, having mostly female siblings...so much of it is influenced by environment.

Fuck me, I'm a straight man but even I know that you are full of shit.
 
I love when the ignorant chime in with their theories of the gay universe.

Especially when they say that people "turn" gay because of trauma. :lol
 
Firehead said:
And what about us bisexuals?

I don't know how prevalent situations like mine are, but for most of my life I wasn't sexually attracted to other men. That changed about a year ago when I went through a tough bout of depression. My self-confidence was at a record low and I found myself feeling inadequate in just about everything I did. And for the first time whenever I was around other men who were confident and sure of themselves I was attracted to them. I'm still attracted to women, but I've always had trouble with self-doubt so I don't really think it was the responsible factor behind this change. I just thought the timing was odd. I go into a prolonged funk and suddenly I'm attracted to men. I've thought about it a lot over the past year, but I've never really had the desire to act on these feelings. Since they are recurring I suspect this simply means I'm bisexual, but I don't care enough to pay for a professional to confirm this for me.
 
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