Sibersk Esto
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The first 30 minutes of The Killing Joke is awful. (Spoilers)
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HeartlessNobody213
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Watched it last night and it was trash. Barely kept my attention. A shame what has happened to DC animation these past few years.
lol after seeing that animation budget they gave for TKJ?
Bear Force One
Banned
The source material is poison.
The Silver
Member
Someone never should have let Timm off his leash, he fucked up DCAU Batman with this shit and now he's done it again.
ThusZarathustra
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Not surprised. Far as I'm concerned direct comic-to-animation adaptations are incredibly fucking stupid. I don't think there's been a single one I've enjoyed. It's not like going from a novel to the screen or whatever, where you gain the visual component, the visual sequencing and personal artistic style is already what makes comics comics. What do you actually gain via an adaptation? Voice acting? Shitty animation? Shitty attempts at emulation of a more rich visual style?
There's obviously an audience for the things, but I'll be damned if I know why.
But Jim Gordon is a gimp! And Joker is a tragic figure! And and and ... yup you're right. Ugh. That book.
There's obviously an audience for the things, but I'll be damned if I know why.
But Jim Gordon is a gimp! And Joker is a tragic figure! And and and ... yup you're right. Ugh. That book.
Glendemonium
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Took a long time didn't it, I remember they used to refer to Bruce Wayne as the "playboy billionare" but that part of him never got played up much. There was that Batman year one animated special where he, as Bruce Wayne, was shown with a prostitute I think.
There is going to be a huge internet backlash when this movie gets seen, it's inevitable. Well at least I still have Spiderman.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
What did you guys expect? The movie is a blend of the Killing Joke and TAS universes, both of which had terrible Batgirls.
HawaiianDreads
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I have to say I'm pretty disappointed, I mean I was extremely hyped for this movie when they announced it, especially after reading the comic and saw a youtuber named Pgirts do the Joker speech, so when I saw that Mark Hamill coming back I lost my mind, but yeah....
Also this is the link to the youtuber I was talking about for those who haven't seen it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa0R_2K9iec
Also this is the link to the youtuber I was talking about for those who haven't seen it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa0R_2K9iec
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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It's almost like The Killing Joke should have never been adapted into a movie.
CloudyTuba
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SJRB
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I suppose it's because the core story doesn't have enough content for a feature-length movie, so they had to fill it up with this... stuff.
HawaiianDreads
Neo Member
Wonder why they couldn't just do a animated short and just follow the comic book, instead of added these extra fillers which seem to be hurting the film more than helping it.
This gif looks better than the entirety of TKJ.+
C'mon, Phonciple. We both know DC would never do that. You'd get 3 frames at most.
Both Azarello and Timm should be banned from DC now. At least the movie side. I bet Geoff is NOT happy with this. Go get them.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Do you hold that same opinion to animes that stick with the source material?
ThusZarathustra
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I ... don't really watch much anime. I think the last anime I watched was Samurai Champloo or GiTs SAC and those were awhile ago. I think I watched bit and pieces of Sakamichi no Apollon for the music, which just can't be done on the page. I dunno, the GiTS thing is different because the movie changes a lot of basic blocking and style and really does it's own thing, for better or for worse. Same for Stand Alone Complex. I guess it's just that direct-one-to-one with massive reverence that I find boring.
There might also be a bit of a difference in that in my mind anime usually does action and motion far far better than western blocking/framing even if at the end of the day they're still animated by the same basic companies.
Lights and Waves
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Just saw it. The entire movie has leaked online.
Honestly, the prequel wasn't bad. It should have been its own movie though. The worst part was that awful gay stereotype best friend.
As for The Killing Joke, it's good. The animation is much better in motion. I will say, the dialogue is much better suited for a book vs a movie. Half of the movie sounds like someone reading Shakespeare soliloquies. I think Harley Quinn would have added an extra layer of complexity to the film, but I'm glad they at least included her as small as they did.
Honestly, the prequel wasn't bad. It should have been its own movie though. The worst part was that awful gay stereotype best friend.
As for The Killing Joke, it's good. The animation is much better in motion. I will say, the dialogue is much better suited for a book vs a movie. Half of the movie sounds like someone reading Shakespeare soliloquies. I think Harley Quinn would have added an extra layer of complexity to the film, but I'm glad they at least included her as small as they did.
wesleyshark
Banned
The first 30 minutes of The Killing Joke was the best part. The rest was mostly boring imho
IndoAssassin
Banned
N52 batgirl was pretty bad too.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
New 52 version is a lot better than this. That's the version the majority of her new fans like.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
That's disappointing to hear. I had high hopes that since they were going to expand on the source material to make this feature length that they would use that as an opportunity to modernize some of the more troubling aspects of Barbra's treatment. But it sounds like the added material just adds insult to injury.
I hope we eventually get a Batgirl or Wonder Woman DC Animated film in the next couple years. The 2009 WW movie was spectacular. They can just adjust the title to make either one Batman or Justice League related like they do with all the other adaptations that don't star Supes or Bats.
I hope we eventually get a Batgirl or Wonder Woman DC Animated film in the next couple years. The 2009 WW movie was spectacular. They can just adjust the title to make either one Batman or Justice League related like they do with all the other adaptations that don't star Supes or Bats.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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You guys are a little harsh on Timm, every artist fucks up once in a while. After all he's done for DC, I think he deserves some rope. Aside from The Killing Joke, he's not to blame for the quality of the recent DTVs as he wasn't involved and the last one he worked on (Gods and Monsters) was pretty good imho. I think Killing Joke shouldn't have been adapted in the first place, it's just flawed at its core even though it's not without merits.
Hopefully, now that DC has done lackluster adaptations of most of their most famous and prestigious books (TDKR, Killing Joke, Year One, All Star Superman, New Frontier), they can move on and do original stories again.
wesleyshark
Banned
Gods and Monsters was fantastic. I'd love to see more of those trinity variants
Largely the reason I hate TKJ. Takes a favorite character of mine and kicks her repeatedly for no other reason than to see how the father figures in her life reacts.
Super gross.
Heaven knows why. Pre-Flashpoint, post-TKJ Barbara is is best Barbara.
You can hide behind your snark criticisms, but this story is what made the Joker into an actual character. It developed an actual motivation and reason for being that directly contrasted with Batman's philosophy. It's what solidified the bond between Batman and Joker and what inspired so many amazing Batman stories like the Oscar winning film 'The Dark Knight'. Most people shitting on the story after the fact deeply underestimate the impact it had and what it meant to the comic book world.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I don't remember too much of the prologue outside of the Superman one. But I do remember liking the film itself more than those. And I appreciate it for using characters that we'll never in a billion years see again. Haha
I do not remember anything gross about the prologue. Care to remind?
Superman's parents about to conceive and send him off of Krypton through some DNA thumbprint thing before Zod kills them both and implants his own DNA, sending off some extremely rape-y vibes.
I know why the first 20mins exists but they didn't do a good job executing what they were trying to do. They were supposed to make me feel for Barbara and show me the relationship she had with Batman but I didn't care about either of them. When she got shot, I felt nothing for her.
Also the ending felt completely out of place and weird in the movie vs the comic. Babs has been shot, humiliated, and raped while Gordon was found cowering naked in a small cage after being brought to the brink of madness and here's Batman laughing it up with Joker. It's been a long time since I read the comic but I don't remember feeling this way about it back then.
Also the ending felt completely out of place and weird in the movie vs the comic. Babs has been shot, humiliated, and raped while Gordon was found cowering naked in a small cage after being brought to the brink of madness and here's Batman laughing it up with Joker. It's been a long time since I read the comic but I don't remember feeling this way about it back then.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
I don't recall the scene but just based on your description, that's one hell of an extrapolation.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
lol did Azzarello really call someone a pussy over this?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Yeah. He's been known to be a grumpy old man when someone challenges his opinion.
Oh, I remember now. That was super creepy and uncomfortable, but definitely not a mark against the movie. Actually perpetrating the act would have been gratuitous.
Lord Frieza
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A lot of people assume that Babs in raped there, since she's stripped naked. There's also been a lot of debate about that, I think, even though I believe Alan Moore said he never intended for her to actually be raped (I think he said something along the lines that the thought never crossed his mind). It's ambiguous enough, though, that I see where people get it. At the very least, I think you would say that Babs was sexually assaulted there.
Most people in this thread haven't actually seen the movie, they just hate the idea of Babs and Bruce boning. That said, I don't blame them for that even though I personally like the idea, people just have different tastes when it comes to their view of Batman.
So was my response!
Unaware to me that he has any mental illness. He is just a odd and unique character.
Most of the notable comic creators are.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Imagine Stan Lee or Jack Kirby calling someone a pussy in front of everyone at a comic book convention because they disagreed with their opinion.
Hm. I haven't read the comics, but I know for a fact that they were together in the animated universe too (I remember it from both Batman Beyond and Mystery of the Batwoman). So it's not the first time it happens.
Agreed. Lots of young hardcore geeks in here, so it's understandable. My expectations are adjusted accordingly.
Edit: On second thought, reading more impressions, this sounds like OP is on point.
ElBoxyBrown
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Wasn't Stan Lee kind of a dick in his early years at Marvel?
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