peanutbutterlatte
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Okay, fair enough. Played through this part earlier today as fast as I possible could.Bad level design and scripting structure (Atlantica ;-
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The first Kingdom Hearts is still the best.
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Mattakuevan
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I prefer Birth By Sleep in general, though I do like 1 more than 2 and DDD.
The Last One
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I really like Xemnas, his voice acting was so good too.
I'm pretty sure there's no chance of that.
peanutbutterlatte
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Blessed Billy Zane. But his voice aside, he's booooorrring.
BBS is the first one I've felt like came close to the original tonally. That I can't just download it right now for my Vita is a sham.
You'll have
three versions of the same dude
Garrett Hawke
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It's literally the only draw back to the Vita imo. I love that you can play PSP, PS1 and PSV games on it, as that covers a large amount of my favourite games. But the fact that BBS is missing is atrocious.
I remember them saying it had something to do with licensing for digital distribution, which is why 3D wasn't on the eShop either.
They need to fix their shit by 3 though, as iirc it's policy for all XBO/PS4 games to have digital launches too.
Edit: source for PS4.
lowhighkang_LHK
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I liked KH1.
And I stopped giving a shit from then when the story got beyond stupid. And now I feel it'd be easier to learn an entire language than trying to figure what the fuck is going on.
I hope they hit a massive fucking reset button on the story arch for Kingdom Hearts 3. Get rid of all the stupid, and instead focus on gameplay and focus on a few distinct Disney and Square characters with an endearing plot line.
Get that Nomura nonsense bullshit out of it please, and maybe have one of the Disney writers put together the plot for KH 3.
And I stopped giving a shit from then when the story got beyond stupid. And now I feel it'd be easier to learn an entire language than trying to figure what the fuck is going on.
I hope they hit a massive fucking reset button on the story arch for Kingdom Hearts 3. Get rid of all the stupid, and instead focus on gameplay and focus on a few distinct Disney and Square characters with an endearing plot line.
Get that Nomura nonsense bullshit out of it please, and maybe have one of the Disney writers put together the plot for KH 3.
Garrett Hawke
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Play it on the highest difficulty setting, it's much better.
I agree with overall presentation KH1 and KH:FM was the best of the games. The gameplay did get refined in KH2 and onwards, but that first game was magical (no pun intended). I'm also of the opinion that Dream Drop was pretty bad while BBS was so-so. Never got the extreme amount of praise BBS always gets.
Billy Zane voiced Ansem
Paul St. Peter voices Xemnas.
They're both incredible, the new guy who voices Ansem is okay, but I'd really prefer Billy Zane to return.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Maybe then we'll retroactively get BBS, right.... right? Or maybe we'll get a port of KH1+2 HD for Vitaaahahahahahah
This kind of sums up why the series has lost it's sheen for me...
Garrett Hawke
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Never going to happen. They've already confirmed that it's going to be continuing from the end of 3D, so that means it's going to feature a lot of OG KH characters.
The plot is confusing but I swear you can just read an article on it and understand it far easier than some other franchise plots.
glares at MGS
Now I haven't played 2 but 1 just had so many awful worlds that I can't call it better than BBS. One is certainly up there but the world design in some of them just makes it a slog to go through...
Alice and wonderland was just boring with not a whole lot of interesting things to do there. Searching for the clues just compounds it
Tarzan had good scenery but the platforming kills it
Holloween town just felt so cramped and claustrophobic and was just plain dreary (to be fair on that last point it's pretty accurate considering the movie itself is very grey... I still don't like it)
And oh my god Atlantica! So dreadful! I spent a few hours in that awful place just wondering where to go... Doesn't help that swimming is just plain bad
Still it has some pretty solid combat and the best story so it certainly isn't a bad game
Alice and wonderland was just boring with not a whole lot of interesting things to do there. Searching for the clues just compounds it
Tarzan had good scenery but the platforming kills it
Holloween town just felt so cramped and claustrophobic and was just plain dreary (to be fair on that last point it's pretty accurate considering the movie itself is very grey... I still don't like it)
And oh my god Atlantica! So dreadful! I spent a few hours in that awful place just wondering where to go... Doesn't help that swimming is just plain bad
Still it has some pretty solid combat and the best story so it certainly isn't a bad game
Napalm_Frank
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All the dude does is ham it up by deepening his voice to ridicilous levels :lol. INDEEEEEED. Tho to be fair his voice is one of the few things I like about him. Xemnas is the worst villain in the series.
peanutbutterlatte
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Oh, I defy that it's confusing. It's actually pretty straightforward. It's just terrible is the problem.
peronmls
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Ew the gameplay was awful in that game. Super stiff combat, horrible leveling and command decks. Puke. I blame the Osaka Team and not the original. I wish the games didnt rely on this crappy command deck system.
Yes. IMO, 2 on anything below Critical is boring as hell. Thing is, one has to play KH2FM to experience how good KH2's system is. I prefer it over BBS, and I also played BBS on critical.
Nope!
Jokes? Being pushed away while homing projectiles fly after you isn't that fun.
I only played Proud and I thought the difficulty was alright. Some tough battles. 2.5 Remix is going to be awesome with lvl 1 Critical.
You shouldn't play any KH game on the default difficulty (save 1 I guess).
KH1 was definitely my favorite regarding story. Would've preferred the other games to keep it simple, but it's too late now.
As far as gameplay goes, it's not my favorite. I like 2's a lot more, but even two has quite a bit of gameplay flaws.
I started appreciating KH2's boss battles a lot more when I did my level 1 critical playthrough.
It's too bad that even on Proud Mode, you wouldn't be utilizing some of the options they game gives you since mashing X is still good enough.
As far as gameplay goes, it's not my favorite. I like 2's a lot more, but even two has quite a bit of gameplay flaws.
I started appreciating KH2's boss battles a lot more when I did my level 1 critical playthrough.
It's too bad that even on Proud Mode, you wouldn't be utilizing some of the options they game gives you since mashing X is still good enough.
This is what I have heard...KH2FM is one of those games Ive wanted to play since it was announced for Japan only years ago....
also what is the difference between critical and proud mode?
KH1 had the prefect difficutly on normal...was pretty challenging, but not controller throwingly difficult
peanutbutterlatte
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SoraanTribal
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I love the first Kingdom Hearts, but... I'd rank it below KH2FM and Birth by Sleep personally. It's a great game, but I just had a lot more fun with some of the sequels. I know people bash the KH story constantly, but I actually enjoy the more convoluted aspects to the series. Except (3D spoilers):
I've never seen so much wrong in a post before...
(joking, opinions, etc)
But I do love the combat in BBS and the leveling system was addicting as hell (my favorite leveling system in the series).
the time travel bullshit.
I've never seen so much wrong in a post before...
(joking, opinions, etc)
But I do love the combat in BBS and the leveling system was addicting as hell (my favorite leveling system in the series).
I've only played KH1 and KH2 but out of those two games I would agree that the first game is the best.
I was quite disappointed in KH2 and stopped playing it halfway through.
The plot was a convoluted mess, it added lots of boring non-Disney characters, the first chapter with Roxas was far too long and boring, there was more cutscenes, the levels were shorter and smaller I think, levels were significantly flatter with far less platforming, there was less collectables, most worlds were returning worlds from the first game and the few new world's weren't as interesting.
I was quite disappointed in KH2 and stopped playing it halfway through.
The plot was a convoluted mess, it added lots of boring non-Disney characters, the first chapter with Roxas was far too long and boring, there was more cutscenes, the levels were shorter and smaller I think, levels were significantly flatter with far less platforming, there was less collectables, most worlds were returning worlds from the first game and the few new world's weren't as interesting.
Compared To Standard and Proud, enemies inflict twice the damage, except for the Mushroom XIII who inflict 1.25× the damage.
Several abilities are granted on the third day (Reaction Boost, Finishing Plus, Draw, 2x Lucky Lucky, MP Hastera and EXP Zero).
Roxas's initial AP is 50.
AP increases by increments of 3 instead of 2.
Compared to Standard and Proud, HP and MP quantities from Bonus Levels are halved (You only get 60 HP instead of 120 HP).
Compared to Standard and Proud, EXP gained is three-quarters of the normal amount.
lowhighkang_LHK
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Don't get me wrong, I could probably watch a few hours of youtube recaps to get an idea of what's going on. But why? The plot doesn't interest me, it was the characters. Seeing Disney be Disney and seeing past Final Fantasy characters come back was the appeal. Not this, darkness, clone, soul, heart - nonsense.
Sometimes I look at Square-Enix's writers and feel they have totally lost it. Somebody remind them that having a convoluted plot with lots of twists and turns doesn't make a good story. I'm looking at you Final Fantasy 13 universe. And you too Kojima. Which is why Metal Gear Solid had the best story, it was complex when it needed to be, but didn't over do it. And sometimes the MGS sequels also delved into dumbass story mode. Ok, I'm ranting now, let's stop.
Anyway, it's a shame, I always wanted to get back into Kingdom Hearts.
Mr. Smiley
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Where a Yoko Shimomura version of Hellfire plays as the battle background. And Frollo possessed by heartless, turns into a monster modeled after the gargoyles on the Bell Tower (not those gargoyles) where a Shimomura version of Sanctuary plays as you do battle in the sky, with the city in flames as a revolution plays out underneath.
So yeah, Hunchback of Notre Dame was one of my favorite Disney movies.
Thank goodness for Leaf Bracer in FM.
vagabondarts
Member
They did what they could with what they had and it really suited the GBA.
Loved the card system but I know it is mostly hated by everyone else.
NHarmonic.
Member
Nope, KH2 that is. The most varied and fun battle system in the series IMO (though BBS is really amazing too).
KH 1.5 ReMIX just made me feel like it hasn't aged well at all, and KH without it's nonsense, weird characters and such it's just extremely boring. :/
KH 1.5 ReMIX just made me feel like it hasn't aged well at all, and KH without it's nonsense, weird characters and such it's just extremely boring. :/
Critical is extremely hard, enemies hit harder, you do less damage, it's a real challenge.
It also grants you an ability straight away that you can toggle on and off called Exp 0, if you enable it, you gain no experience what so ever throughout the whole game. It's kinda nightmarish, even the weakest enemies can kill you in one hit because your health bar never increases. I tried playing the game with it and gave up in the Mulan world. Critical alone is hard enough in my opinion.
This is very true and why KH2FM is my fav KH game to date.
From KH wiki:
Also I think Sora does 25% more damage but it's not listed here.
Also yeah KH1 was good but they later toned down the normal difficulty in favor of harder difficulty modes.
With all honesty the difference is like night and day. I remember hating KH2 because it lacked exploration, platforming, and had some of the easiest combat out there.
KH2FM on critical made KH2 a very strong contender for best game in the series, if not the best. The amount of added content and the proper use of the system made the game that much more fun.
EDIT: Main difference is that enemies are more aggressive, and you need to start using block, deflect, and all the other abilities you have at bay to win. You can't just mash X and hope that you clear a room.
Napalm_Frank
Member
This is what I like about Critical mode. It punishes you for bad play (you die much faster) but it rewards you also with additional abilities right from the start. Makes stuff like synthesis grinding easier.
SoraanTribal
Member
Yep, all that extra content in KH2FM made KH2 become even a better game than its initial mediocre state IMO. It made it feel like a complete package like 1 if that makes any sense. It is a shame it was never released in the west, but that will change with KH2.5 HD
EDIT:
Hooray, the one who is now referred to as betty by all also agrees!
Here I thought that it was universally agreed on that BBS is the best game in the series.
NHarmonic.
Member
Fuck, i cannot read that without sensing his voice in my head, wth.
Xemnas is quite useless, but even though they all hate his battle (and the mash buttons part) i fucking loved it, and felt really epic.
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