According to this, 9 out of 10 registered nurses are female...
http://uk.businessinsider.com/pink-collar-jobs-dominated-by-women-2015-2?r=US&IR=T
If they had to select a panel of nurses would people lose their shit if the majority were female? No, that's just the way it is, it's currently skewed one way and there's no point trying to force a 50/50 selection. And it's currently the same with games jounalists, even if we don't like it that way. Get over it.
I don't know why people are so hell bent on saying this is the fault of TGA. The issue goes back farther to why males are hired more often than women at these companies. And it could even go farther back than that. It's entirely possible that these companies just don't have enough qualified women applying for the job.
Forcing quotas in a top-down approach won't solve this issue. All that does is give the appearance of diversity.
i would feel more concerned about this if i didn't feel like most games awards ceremonies of this kind were still overblown press/advertising events.
If there really are not enough qualified women working for the sites listed on the page why didn't the get some from other sites/channels/blogs?
That they are without a doubt just that makes it even more embarrassing to not have proper "qualified" representation.
The acrobatic level of confirmation bias you must have come to to decide diversity somehow disservices women.
Nobody is claiming that women should be 'included just because', but rather because their opinions are as important as anyone else's.
And the fact that so many publications have looked at their pool of available employees and so often picked a male employee is indicative of either a lack of diversity in that particular workplace or a perception that their male employee's opinions are more important than those of their female staff. If you flip thirty two coins and it only lands on heads twice then there is something wrong that needs to be addressed.
Every major artistic panel tries to keep a roughly equal gender divide in the group of experts it employs. These are panels much more prestigious than the Game Awards who see the necessity for gender diversity and have had no public scrutiny because of it. If videogames want to be acknowledged for the serious artistic medium they have every right to be, they need to grow up and act like these institutions are theire peers.
He went out of his way to contact fucking Breitbart because the one guy knows a lot about esports but didn't think that he should go to other outlets to find representatives beyond the same people we see over and over again.
Because they designed the entire selection procedure. I don't think there's any reason to think they deliberately designed it to favour homogeneity, and I am absolutely not ascribing malicious intent to their approach, but when designing the selection process they gave little/no thought to diversity, and ended up with a panel overwhelmingly full of white men.
Geoff Keighley is not the global head of the patriarchy, he is just a man who is very much part of the establishment, for whom diversity is way way down the list of priorities when assembling a judging panel for his awards ceremony/advertising party.
He is framing TGA as a celebration of gaming's cultural significance. His words. It would seem that he does not consider having diverse representation within TGA as being important to the cultural significance of the medium. I disagree with this, and it seems at least a couple of the judges he chose disagree with this too.
Edit: Also after getting the shortlist of candidates back from the publications, they seemingly had no thought process before publishing them. Many people would have thought "Hmm. This list is overwhelmingly full of white men, perhaps I should contact one of the huge number of qualified women or non-white people in the field that I did not invite to participate yet". Even if somehow they only know white men (which I entirely reject), there's any number of ways to solicit suggestions for people who could expand the diversity of the panel.
No one put a gun to Keighley's head and forced him to accept the initial shortlist as the only possible range of judges.
Two problems with your argument.Two problems with your argument.
1. The lack of male nurses IS a big problem that they try to fix as much as they can.
2. This is a jury representing the makeup of gamers, for awarding games, and women make up 45% of the audience of gaming, so they should optimistically have 45% of the representation of judges.
Wouldn't that be a positive?The age of political correctness....sigh
The age of political correctness....sigh
These kind of things make PC Principal look legit.
It's not the right way to go about things IMO, but what do I know I think it is a meaningless gaming award show about the games.
Two problems with your argument.
1. They are trying to fix the lack of male nurses by training/employing more of them which is great, and the same should be happening in the games industry, ie, it's down to the journo websites etc. to take more on and encourage females into these roles. It's not the responsibility of a company who runs a games awards ceremony to make sure more females are games journalists.
2. The judges are being picked from the games journalists we currently have, and the vast majority are male, so it makes sense that the panel will probably be mostly male. Making it 50/50 just for the sake of having exactly the same amount of males/females on the jury is ridiculous.
Wouldn't that be a positive?
The age of political correctness....sigh
Slight update about Richard Lewis, the Breitbart.com reporter who is on The Game Awards panel. Over the weekend he got in an altercation with a Dota player backstage at an event and choked him. Both sides blame the other so I am not going to throw blame on that precisely. But I would point out his twitter feed where he is calling people "educationally subnormal Weaboos" retweeting tweets about "the nightmare dystopia of misandry and irrationality that Sweden has become" and "king cuckold"s.
Through this whole thing I also saw that he has been banned from the League of Legends subReddit for being a jerk. What a great guy. If the best job you can get as a report is at Breitbart I think it's a good indication that you have some personality issues.
I know some people in this thread where defending him and saying he was a reported who just happens to work at a website full of jerks... but I haven't seen much evidence of that.
Slight update about Richard Lewis, the Breitbart.com reporter who is on The Game Awards panel. Over the weekend he got in an altercation with a Dota player backstage at an event and choked him. Both sides blame the other so I am not going to throw blame on that precisely. But I would point out his twitter feed where he is calling people "educationally subnormal Weaboos" retweeting tweets about "the nightmare dystopia of misandry and irrationality that Sweden has become" and "king cuckold"s.
Through this whole thing I also saw that he has been banned from the League of Legends subReddit for being a jerk. What a great guy. If the best job you can get as a report is at Breitbart I think it's a good indication that you have some personality issues.
I know some people in this thread where defending him and saying he was a reported who just happens to work at a website full of jerks... but I haven't seen much evidence of that.
I know some people in this thread where defending him and saying he was a reported who just happens to work at a website full of jerks... but I haven't seen much evidence of that.
The panel doesn't need to be 50/50, but the current panel is not representative of the number of qualified women working as games journalists.
Slight update about Richard Lewis, the Breitbart.com reporter who is on The Game Awards panel. Over the weekend he got in an altercation with a Dota player backstage at an event and choked him. Both sides blame the other so I am not going to throw blame on that precisely. But I would point out his twitter feed where he is calling people "educationally subnormal Weaboos" retweeting tweets about "the nightmare dystopia of misandry and irrationality that Sweden has become" and "king cuckold"s.
Dude works for Breitbart, fuck him. People defending him are just whitewashing an individual complicit in bigoted fear-mongering. I'm really disappointed that he was invited (did Geoff & Co. really go out of their way to contact Breitbart?). Then again the Game Awards fundamentally represents some of the worst sides of the games industry in its sycophant focus on AAA games, its marketing for big publishers, and its disregard for diversity, so I guess that this Breitbart invitation is what we can expect from them.
Him being selected had nothing to do with him working for Breitbart and is just twitter wanting to be outraged at something and forcing their own narrative as usual.
Here are some pros and cons of better gender representation.
Pro:
- more realistic representation of the gaming world
- women are happier
- opens the door to more sponsorship opportunities
- disrupts a demonstrably harmful status quo of exclusion
- wider range of critical perspectives brought to the table
Cons:
- annoys sexists
- goes against an arbitrary and nebulous concept of qualifications that seems more like reflexive contrarianism in service of preserving the status quo
Slight update about Richard Lewis, the Breitbart.com reporter who is on The Game Awards panel. Over the weekend he got in an altercation with a Dota player backstage at an event and choked him. Both sides blame the other so I am not going to throw blame on that precisely. But I would point out his twitter feed where he is calling people "educationally subnormal Weaboos" retweeting tweets about "the nightmare dystopia of misandry and irrationality that Sweden has become" and "king cuckold"s.
Through this whole thing I also saw that he has been banned from the League of Legends subReddit for being a jerk. What a great guy. If the best job you can get as a report is at Breitbart I think it's a good indication that you have some personality issues.
I know some people in this thread where defending him and saying he was a reported who just happens to work at a website full of jerks... but I haven't seen much evidence of that.
Him being selected had nothing to do with him working for Breitbart and is just twitter wanting to be outraged at something and forcing their own narrative as usual.
so apparently what happened was that lewis made this tweet: https://twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/670550953121226752
and as it turns out the person who made the sign is kelly milkies who is the manager of dota 2 team the alliance and their carry player loda's girlfriend. from what i can tell loda is saying that lewis straight up choked him after being confronted and there's witnesses, lewis is claiming that the story is being twisted somehow but isn't denying that he did it. my guess is it happened but lewis somehow thinks he was justified in assaulting someone who hadn't touched him.
so basically fuck richard lewis, looks like he's where he belongs at breitbart.
Him being selected had nothing to do with him working for Breitbart and is just twitter wanting to be outraged at something and forcing their own narrative as usual.
Gaming Journalism should have more women and people of color in it to avoid the whole 'white men' thing cause... there's a lot of white dudes in gaming journalism.
...No doubt. But just hiring women or minorities for the sake of it isn't the solution. I have to wonder how many women and people of color apply for these positions and how qualified they are.
No doubt. But just hiring women or minorities for the sake of it isn't the solution. I have to wonder how many women and people of color apply for these positions and how qualified they are.
The choking and Twitter insults help explain why he's on Breitbart's squad lol
Do you wonder how qualified everyone is for their jobs, or just the women and people of color
I'm slightly curious as to what the selection process entailed. If the process was untainted then don't we conclude the results are as well?
ITT: people who think reverse racism and sexism are meaningful concepts
Jesus fucking Christ.
I think everyone is in support of the notion of more equitable representation. i consider myself a feminist and have written grad school essays on brilliant feminist writers that the world could learn a lot from, like Judith Butler, Gayatri Spivak, etc. I say that not to brag, but to attempt to establish feminist credentials before I'm shouted down like many people who don't toe a strict ideological line when it comes to feminism and issues like this.
What I don't see ITT are concrete examples of women who were passed over because they are women, or a list of clearly undeserving men and the women who should replace them. The unequal representation is certainly something to raise an eyebrow at, as is the relative lack of women who choose to write in and about the games industry, but moving from that fair, honest, unpleasant observation to a concrete, actionable plan requires delicacy and not simply ascribing negative motives to people involved in the selection or a sloppy attempt to immediately make things equal.
When someone says, "I'm not supporting these awards until they're 50/50 split between men and women," I view that person as fighting an admirable battle in the worst way possible. The goal, as it should be in every situation like this, whether it's about race, sexuality, etc, is to provide equal opportunity and to avoid discrimination on any basis. No proof has been provided to show this happened, particularly in an industry that skews heavily male in the first place and as a result leads to unequal representation in situations when people are selected from pools of preexisting applicants/candidates (which I do hope shifts over time).
I'm slightly curious as to what the selection process entailed. If the process was untainted then don't we conclude the results are as well?
As a black man yes I do wonder about how qualified everyone is for their jobs.
As I said in my previous post. I wonder how many women and men of color apply for said positions. What if the people who apply for those jobs are heavily skewed towards white men? Surely it would make sense that they get the majority of those jobs right?
That's not to say there aren't qualified men and women of color applying but maybe more white men are.
And if not. You have to look at why these people aren't getting these jobs. And that's on the publications. Not TGA's. It's amazing how publications like Kotaku or polygon will run articles on this stuff but they themselves may be part of the problem.
I heard about this altercation on /r/dota2.
Apparently Richard Lewis was a huge asshole IRL and on twitter long before Brietbart felt he was a perfect fit for their site amd hired him. Because he does a lot of "good reporting", he gets a pass on some Reddit communities, even when he breaks site rules.
Ah yes, the monolithic twitter hivemind felt like being outraged that day and decided to pick on the poor Brietbart writer.