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Ripclawe said:
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Sony still hasn't learned. You want blu ray to take off get lower priced players out there damn it.
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Bullshit.
Lower priced players did not work for that other company and lower priced players are nice but not the be all end all.
Get content out there and bring the content prices down and the people will come.
If someone is going to lose sleep over paying 299 for a player instead of 199 then they are not exactly the type that will be running out week after week buying movies for normal prices.
"Sony still hasn't learned..."
I think they learned rather well.
 
Outcast2004 said:
I SOOOOOOO want that... but is it getting a US release?
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German import only (can get it via North American online stores), and expensive ($40+), but those guys put so much time and effort on that disc on one of the best movies of all time, they deserve every pennies they'll get.

If you're a T2 fan with an HD DVD player, there is no reason to not buy that release.
 
god damn I got 101 Dalmations and the transfer is AMAZING - how much better can this shit look on Blu I do wonder - because it was pretty much flawless.

In fact, every single DAC (platinum) at least so far has been pretty much amazing on my HD TV - except The Little Mermaid ack nosie galore.
 
The Main Event said:
That will eventually be the most impressive HD disc ever.
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I had no idea making a disc can be as involving as a big-budget video game.

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BTW anyone know if the first Appleseed will come to hi-def? I'm watching the second one and I thought it was stupid at first, but it's decent. I just saw a white dove, John Fucking Woo :lol

I'm considering getting Appleseed Ex Machina on BD now.
 
Ripclawe said:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/...6f9a21474&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss



Sony still hasn't learned. You want blu ray to take off get lower priced players out there damn it.
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Players are priced well enough for this time in the technology cycle. The target market is people who are willing to pay full price for software. Cheaper players are unneccessary until software is cheaper. When blurays are priced at 5-10 dollars in bargain bins thats when 100 dollar players are needed.
 
OokieSpookie said:
Lower priced players did not work for that other company and lower priced players are nice but not the be all end all.
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It hurts my head to read idiocy like this from a consumer. You're so far into this fanboy shit that you might as well be a member of the BDA. Everybody and their mother wants lower priced BD players, especially now that it is the chosen heir to dvd, and it seems like the BDA is intent on slowing the price falling by cockblocking Chinese manufacturers. That supposedly tragic collapse of the dvd player market led to dvd becoming the most successful video format in history and accounts for the ridiculous amounts of content on it now. And guess what? There was STILL a market for high end, overpriced players. I don't give a shit what's the best way for Pioneer, Sharp, Samsung, or Sony to squeeze more money out of their CE devices. And you shouldn't either. They want to make money off the razor AND the blade at the expense of the consumer.

I know you don't take criticism for Sony and the BDA well, but player prices are a totally legitimate complaint and it has NOTHING to do with the firesale Toshiba prices. I'm not asking for $99 players, but there should already be players within the $199-$299 range. And that's without even touching the profile mess.

Everyone here now wants BD to succeed, but that's not the same as willingly bending over to protect higher margins for the CE's. It's not like BD players are lighting the world on fire at their current prices, so the prices are artificially high and not reflecting demand at those prices.
 
Blu-ray needs a 199 MSRP player this year(100 bucks on black friday)...then hopefully the cheaper players in 09.

This format hasn't been even close to strongly adopted yet...
 
I'd be content with a $149-$199 Black Friday player and $249 MSRP player by the end of the year. I REALLY wish they'd put out a 1080i player if that meant that we could get a cheaper player sooner. My second tv is 1080i and my 1080p tv does deinterlacing just fine.

The problem I have with the article is that there is a concerted effort by the BDA to maintain the high prices for a longer period of time than dvd did, which does not seem like a smart move imo if you want to hit the mainstream.
 
Nicodimas said:
Blu-ray needs a 199 MSRP player this year(100 bucks on black friday)...then hopefully the cheaper players in 09.

This format hasn't been even close to strongly adopted yet...
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Blu-Ray needs 14-19 $/€ prices...
 
VanMardigan said:
I'd be content with a $149-$199 Black Friday player and $249 MSRP player by the end of the year. I REALLY wish they'd put out a 1080i player if that meant that we could get a cheaper player sooner. My second tv is 1080i and my 1080p tv does deinterlacing just fine.

The problem I have with the article is that there is a concerted effort by the BDA to maintain the high prices for a longer period of time than dvd did, which does not seem like a smart move imo if you want to hit the mainstream.
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$249? No, Sony needs a $150 model STAT if they want to make Bluray a viable Christmas item - and I mean "viable" in DVD terms. They may have already lost the window for that.

Reduce the barriers to entry and the lowest denominator will buy in. They can still sell plenty of the higher end machines to people who don't want gimped movie watching, but they won't sell anything until the consumer sees the $150 price tag.
 
Lhadatt said:
$249? No, Sony needs a $150 model STAT if they want to make Bluray a viable Christmas item - and I mean "viable" in DVD terms. They may have already lost the window for that.

Reduce the barriers to entry and the lowest denominator will buy in. They can still sell plenty of the higher end machines to people who don't want gimped movie watching, but they won't sell anything until the consumer sees the $150 price tag.
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I don't know if you read the whole part about preventing chinese manufacturers from making cheap BD players so they can keep the prices artificially high in that article in the last page. The BDA is in absolutely NO RUSH to bring the prices down. In fact, they're actively working against it.

Personally, I'm baffled at this strategy because it flies in the face of the logic that dictates that you want this product to hit mainstream before the window of opportunity for HD disc media closes. Wasn't that Warner's reasoning for abandoning HD DVD, the closing window of opportunity? How does that mesh with actively preventing falling prices to protect margins for large CE manufacturers? We are about to hit the two year mark for the format. The time to milk early adopters needs to be replaced with the era of rapidly expanding growth for the format, and taking steps to prevent prices from falling seems counterproductive.
 
VanMardigan said:
I don't know if you read the whole part about preventing chinese manufacturers from making cheap BD players so they can keep the prices artificially high in that article in the last page. The BDA is in absolutely NO RUSH to bring the prices down. In fact, they're actively working against it.

Personally, I'm baffled at this strategy because it flies in the face of the logic that dictates that you want this product to hit mainstream before the window of opportunity for HD disc media closes. Wasn't that Warner's reasoning for abandoning HD DVD, the closing window of opportunity? How does that mesh with actively preventing falling prices to protect margins for large CE manufacturers? We are about to hit the two year mark for the format. The time to milk early adopters needs to be replaced with the era of rapidly expanding growth for the format, and taking steps to prevent prices from falling seems counterproductive.
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They want to milk the current environment as long as possible. The pricing for hidef players doesnt need to hit mainstream until after HDTVs do. Until then inflated prices are in their favour.
 
VanMardigan said:
I don't know if you read the whole part about preventing chinese manufacturers from making cheap BD players so they can keep the prices artificially high in that article in the last page. The BDA is in absolutely NO RUSH to bring the prices down. In fact, they're actively working against it.
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I don't know why you're lobbing this at me. I also don't know where I said anything about Chinese players. Sony makes sub-$100 DVD players, I think they can find a way to make a $150 BRD player. We're arguing the same thing, more or less.

favourite: HDTVs will be mainstream soon enough. It's time for both sides of the market to get it in gear and lower prices for higher overall profits and great justice.
 
Just watched Dragon Wars (got it for $7.50) and wow did I pay about $5 too much. The attack on L.A. was pretty interesting but even that had moments I was left scratching my head. Yikes.

I also picked up Ice Age 2 (can't find Ice Age 1 anywhere even though it released on Tuesday) and 300 for a total of $34. Can't wait until next week though, so many awesome movies. And apparently my local FYE is a "fence" for some enterprising thief because all of the movies I mentioned above I bought used even though the shrink-wrap and sticker-seal were on all of them. Awesome stuff, especially since FYE is running a buy 2 get 1 50% off on used movies. Better than buying new, indeed.
 
Lhadatt said:
We're arguing the same thing, more or less.
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I know that, I was contrasting your post with the article showing why I don't think your expectations were in line with the BDA and therefore not realistic.

yeah that was my reaction too
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I still liked it, though, in a weird way. It did look and sound great as well. Thing is, as a videogame plot, that script rocks. :D
 
OokieSpookie said:
Bullshit.
Lower priced players did not work for that other company and lower priced players are nice but not the be all end all.
Get content out there and bring the content prices down and the people will come.
If someone is going to lose sleep over paying 299 for a player instead of 199 then they are not exactly the type that will be running out week after week buying movies for normal prices.
"Sony still hasn't learned..."
I think they learned rather well.
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are you on the sony payroll?

lowers prices will only HELP sales.
 
VanMardigan said:
I know that, I was contrasting your post with the article showing why I don't think your expectations were in line with the BDA and therefore not realistic.



I still liked it, though, in a weird way. It did look and sound great as well. Thing is, as a videogame plot, that script rocks. :D
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Don't get me wrong, I loved it.
 
i don't see players being cheaper than the ps3. i'm sure they'll be a ps3 pice drop by the end of the year with player drops.

they forced blu-ray with ps3. now they are gonna force ps3 with blu-ray. :]
 
Ever since Winback, my wife has a joke about videogames that take place in "Box Factories." When Shoot 'Em Up got to the part in the gun warehouse, that's all I could think of.

The movie is hilarious and brilliant. it also looks great in HD.
 
heh, I was looking at the same page you were I guess.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents
In other news today, you Blu-ray fans should be happy with this: 20th Century Fox has just lowered the SRP of many of its older catalog Blu-ray Disc releases by $10, cutting them from $39.99 to $29.99. These include titles like Chain Reaction, Speed, Fantastic Four, The Omen etc. A select few additional titles have been price reduced by about $5 each from $39.99 to $34.99 (Kingdom of Heaven, etc). New and more recent titles remain priced at $39.99. Amazon has already started reducing their prices accordingly.
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finally.
 
YYZ said:
Why hasn't the BDA given the license to Chinese manufacturers? Is it a quality issue?
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Mr. Glasgow expressed hope that price levels wouldn’t collapse the way they did for DVD players. To protect against this, he said the Blu-ray Association, the group that controls the Blu-ray standard, has not licensed it to any manufacturers in China
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Here, collapse is code for "we couldn't make the ridiculous margins we wanted for as long as we wanted". So, to fix this, they're going to shut out Chinese BD makers to ensure that they can bring down the price at their own glacial pace.
 
YYZ said:
Why hasn't the BDA given the license to Chinese manufacturers? Is it a quality issue?
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They have announced chinese manufactured players already coming this year.
Do not listen to Van's bullshit, he still has some red sand in his vag that he can not quite get out.
 
YYZ said:
Why hasn't the BDA given the license to Chinese manufacturers? Is it a quality issue?
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Chinese manufacturers of DVD players often don't pay the license fee and the ones that do use sweatshop labour to commoditise the hardware. CE nightmare total.
 
VanMardigan said:
Here, collapse is code for "we couldn't make the ridiculous margins we wanted for as long as we wanted". So, to fix this, they're going to shut out Chinese BD makers to ensure that they can bring down the price at their own glacial pace.
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Glacial compared to what? Prices are half what they were a year ago, and those were half the price at launch. What represents a reasonable price this holiday?

Perhaps he isn't referring to $200 players, but $40 DVD players that are on the market now?

It's not like hardware player prices are abusive. Software's still high, but hardware's been coming down at about the same rate DVD did.
 
OokieSpookie said:
They have announced chinese manufactured players already coming this year.
Do not listen to Van's bullshit, he still has some red sand in his vag that he can not quite get out.
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Van's bullshit? I was quoting a Sony exec, but maybe he has "red sand in his vag" too, amirite?

It must be tough for you in this thread when you're not always able to spew the format war bullshit you cherish so much, huh?

So wanting lower BD standalone prices is bad now? :lol
 
Perhaps he isn't referring to $200 players, but $40 DVD players that are on the market now?
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Except he specifially mentions a $299 price for this year, not $200. We had $400 Sony BD players last year, is that as far as they can drop this year?

edit: My bad, I didn't mean to create a whole other post to respond to you, I actually just wanted to edit the post above. :(
 
Nicodimas said:
Blu-ray needs a 199 MSRP player this year(100 bucks on black friday)...then hopefully the cheaper players in 09.

This format hasn't been even close to strongly adopted yet...
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More people know what it is now though. In my experience at retail I've seen a wider variety of people inquire about BD than before the format war ended. I imagine the mass media exposure the news gave it helped.
 
bune duggy said:
I'm missing something, right?
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Planet Earth (Complete Series) (Hd Dvd Set)

HD-DVD
HD-DVD discs can only be played on HD-DVD players.

David Attenborough: "A hundred years ago, there were one and a half billion people on Earth. Now, over six billion crowd our fragile planet. But even so, there are still places barely touched by humanity. This series will take you to the last wildernesses and show you the planet and its wildlife as you have never seen them before."

Episode Listing:
From Pole to Pole
Mountains
Fresh Water
Caves
Deserts
Ice Worlds
Great Plains
Jungles
Shallow Seas
Seasonal Forests
Ocean Deep

ITEM DETAILS
Title: Planet Earth (Complete Series) (Hd Dvd Set)
Director: David Attenborough
TV Standard: PAL
Format: HD
Region: Zone 4
Aspect Ratio: TBC
Audio: Dolby Digital 2.0
Languages: English (Dolby Digital 2.0)
Subtitles: English
Rating: PG. Parental Guidance Recommended for Younger Viewers.
Released: 5-12-2007

DCX
 
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