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[rkn]

What is the install base relevant towards? It certainly seems to have little effect on usage of the Android Market. There are millions of KIRFy phones (many with Apple logos on them) with Android in China, but they can't even buy stuff on the Android Market or use most Google Services.

This is a serious question, but what has installed base achieved for Android? And what has a lower installed base caused negatively towards iPhone?

 

[CharminUltra]

Someone said that if flash was so important, Android would be crushing the iPhone.

I responded with they are.

Your definition of crushing is kinda.... weak.

 

[Marty Chinn]

39% vs 28%. Crushing!

Your definition of crushing is kinda.... weak.

That's total userbase since like the beginning. Are we ignoring the huge growth in marketshare Android is making every quarter while Apple stays relatively the same? Are we ignoring that I believe the last quarter figures, Android was approximately 50% of activations while iPhone was about 25%? It's not just pure user base but also growth and Android is growing significantly and widening the gap.

 

[rkn]

That's total userbase since like the beginning. Are we ignoring the huge growth in marketshare Android is making every quarter while Apple stays relatively the same? Are we ignoring that I believe the last quarter figures, Android was approximately 50% of activations while iPhone was about 25%? It's not just pure user base but also growth and Android is growing significantly and widening the gap.

Re-iterate my question above, because I seriously don't know, what are the net benefits and drawbacks to both products with regards to the installed base - we already know that money and developer support are not it.

 

[Pristine_Condition]

Did you even follow the conversation to what I was responding to? Profits have nothing to do with that statement.

Let me give you the quick run down since you're unable to follow the conversation.

Someone said that if flash was so important, Android would be crushing the iPhone.

I responded with they are. That IN CONTEXT is clearly a pure installed base discussion. What does profits have to do with that line of conversation?

And since you can't read, I also followed up that I don't believe flash is the reason that Android has a larger user base.

Comprehension. Learn it.

Uh, I read your lame post. I quoted your lame post as well. Here, I'll do it again:

But Android is crushing iOS in the phone market at least. I would never attribute that because Android has flash while iOS doesn't though, but let's not ignore that Android is doing better than iOS in the phone market now.

I comprehend well enough to know that IN CONTEXT, (since you like context so much) your assertion that Android is "crushing" iOS was, even by your own admission, also irrelevant to the original conversation about Flash, since you yourself promptly admitted you didn't believe Flash is the reason Android has a larger install base, which was the original point made.

You basically said it yourself in that post: You just wanted to make sure no one ignored your notion that Android was "crushing" iOS, despite the fact that you believed it irrelevant to the availability of Flash.

Now, if you are allowed to spin off in an alternate direction from the original conversation point in order to state that Android is "crushing," (which is clearly what you were doing by your own admission,) why can't I spin off that to show that your definition of "crushing" is more than a bit lame? Why do I have to be strictly tied to your made-up-on-the-spot rules about being "IN CONTEXT" when you clearly aren't?

Unlike what you are doing now, I didn't raise any objection to your spinning the conversation in the direction you wanted to spin it in order to contend that Android was "crushing." I just challenged the contention that Android was "crushing" with a set of numbers.

And anyway...this is the iPhone 4 OT. There is no better place to put these numbers. Regardless of the context of your individual post, in the context of this thread, posting that chart and these numbers was entirely appropriate.

 

[kehs]

Re-iterate my question above, because I seriously don't know, what are the net benefits and drawbacks to both products with regards to the installed base - we already know that money and developer support are not it.

You probably need to be more specific about benefits, particularly to whom. MFGs, developers, retailers, end users, carriers, etc?

 

[numble]

That's total userbase since like the beginning. Are we ignoring the huge growth in marketshare Android is making every quarter while Apple stays relatively the same? Are we ignoring that I believe the last quarter figures, Android was approximately 50% of activations while iPhone was about 25%? It's not just pure user base but also growth and Android is growing significantly and widening the gap.

HTC is 14% of Android phones, Motorola has 11% of Android phones, Samsung has 8% of Android phones, and the other 66% of Android phones are scattered in smaller percentages with a ton of manufacturers. The biggest growth in phone sales (after Apple) is the Chinese manufacturer ZTE, who has grown to be the 5th largest manufacturer on the wings of Android phones you've probably never heard of like this popular Android device in China, the ZTE-U T203:

 

[Pristine_Condition]

That's total userbase since like the beginning. Are we ignoring the huge growth in marketshare Android is making every quarter while Apple stays relatively the same? Are we ignoring that I believe the last quarter figures, Android was approximately 50% of activations while iPhone was about 25%? It's not just pure user base but also growth and Android is growing significantly and widening the gap.

You mean every quarter except Q1 of this year when Android's share fell from 52.4 percent to 49.5 percent, right? Because that wasn't such huge growth...

 

[rkn]

You probably need to be more specific about benefits, particularly to whom. MFGs, developers, retailers, end users, carriers, etc?

I suppose its to whatever strength it plays to - I just want to know who installed base numbers have helped in this scenario. Microsoft I guess since they are making more money from android patent licensing than wp7?

 

[kehs]

I suppose its to whatever strength it plays to - I just want to know who installed base numbers have helped in this scenario. Microsoft I guess since they are making more money from android patent licensing than wp7?

Carriers love it. They can give you a free phone and hit you up for $200-$900 over two years for data that cost them very little.

 

[demigod]

Man, Motion-X GPS costs money? I thought that shit was free.

 

[strata8]

Man, Motion-X GPS costs money? I thought that shit was free.

Is $3 suddenly too expensive for a GPS program?

You might be thinking of Motion-X Dice.

 

[KAL2006]

Anyone know if 3rd party chargers are OK to use with iPhone's, I have a iPhone 3GS and a 3rd party charger that lists that it supports iPhone 3G and 3GS, is this OK to use, or will it fuck up my iPhone in the long term.

 

[BocoDragon]

Anyone know if 3rd party chargers are OK to use with iPhone's, I have a iPhone 3GS and a 3rd party charger that lists that it supports iPhone 3G and 3GS, is this OK to use, or will it fuck up my iPhone in the long term.

I wouldn't worry about it in the slightest.

 

[Vilix]

Anyone know if 3rd party chargers are OK to use with iPhone's, I have a iPhone 3GS and a 3rd party charger that lists that it supports iPhone 3G and 3GS, is this OK to use, or will it fuck up my iPhone in the long term.

I have noticed that the charger that came with my iPhone charges it considerably faster then the other charger I have that's third party. But, that's just one example. I wouldn't worry.

 

[Vyer]

HTC is 14% of Android phones, Motorola has 11% of Android phones, Samsung has 8% of Android phones, and the other 66% of Android phones are scattered in smaller percentages with a ton of manufacturers. The biggest growth in phone sales (after Apple) is the Chinese manufacturer ZTE, who has grown to be the 5th largest manufacturer on the wings of Android phones you've probably never heard of like this popular Android device in China, the ZTE-U T203:

Does that thing have FLASH?!? AND Android?!?!

Well Sweet Jesus on a Cracker, by golly sign me up!!

 

[Particle Physicist]

oops. :O

 

[Gaaraz]

Does anyone else have the 'press the home button near the top with your nail and it won't respond' thing as mentioned by Error? I'm booked in at the Apple store since my home button seems less responsive than it was, but after trying my friends 3 week old white iPhone 4 his is far worse than mine even, so I'm worried I'll give them my pristine and maybe not too broken iPhone 4 and get something back that's even worse :S

 

[Husker86]

So I am looking to buy a new phone, looking into possibly getting a Windows7 phone but I really need to play around with the OS first. Where can I actually do that?

A carrier store?

 

[Sapiens]

Why do people come in here only to troll?

I was kind of hoping to come in here and see discussion on iOS5 and Iphone5.

But I get 'LOL FLASH' and 'ANDROID CRUSHING iOS"

Who cares?

 

[Oyashiro]

Hey guys, something shitty happened and I'm kinda sorta freaking out. Would love some advice from the experts.

So I keep all my music and apps in an external hard drive, yeah? Well the other day I went to update my phone (Im on iOS 5 B1, was gonna update to B4) and plugged my external in to load up my library and sync. Well, apparently my external died or malfunctioned. Most of my music is gone, including my iTunes folder with my library file. So uhh, what the fuck do I do now? I can't sync because it will delete all my
songs and stuff right? And I can't update because when you restore doesn't it delete all the contents on your phone and then sync them over after the new beta has been installed?

 

[Bboy AJ]

Holy, this thread turned into crap. Who really gives a shit about how well Apple is doing, how well Google is doing. Those companies don't give a shit about you. You're not even arguing about the benefits of the phones you use, you're arguing business, of which you should have no concern. Unless you own stock or the company is in such trouble that it threatens your products, stfu. Even if you own stock, no one gives a shit about your puny five figure portfolio.

It's like Gaming side over here.

Anyway, if the iPhone 5 brings in a gesture area, I called it a long time ago. I want to find the post where I called it.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

It's also looking like it might have a bigger screen this year. Different form factor as well. Looks like they put the extra few months to good use.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

It's also looking like it might have a bigger screen this year. Different form factor as well. Looks like they put the extra few months to good use.

Mac rumours reports that Chinese iPhone 5 cases may give a hint that this might be possible.

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/29/iphone-5-cases-are-everywhere-in-china/

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/29/new-iphone-5-cases-suggest-longer-and-wider-form-factor/

Our new images are clear and there are appears to be a slight – not major – tear drop in the design. The case goes thick to thin from top to bottom. In addition, the sources who provided us with these two new cases have shared some dimensions. According to them, the case is 5 inches tall and 2.8 inches wide. These are tight cases so the iPhone 5 dimensions should only be a few millimeters smaller than those numbers. For comparison, the iPhone 4 is 4.5 inches tall and 2.31 inches wide.

 

[Blackhead]

Mac rumours reports that Chinese iPhone 5 cases may give a hint that this might be possible.

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/29/iphone-5-cases-are-everywhere-in-china/

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/29/new-iphone-5-cases-suggest-longer-and-wider-form-factor/

Our new images are clear and there are appears to be a slight – not major – tear drop in the design. The case goes thick to thin from top to bottom. In addition, the sources who provided us with these two new cases have shared some dimensions. According to them, the case is 5 inches tall and 2.8 inches wide. These are tight cases so the iPhone 5 dimensions should only be a few millimeters smaller than those numbers. For comparison, the iPhone 4 is 4.5 inches tall and 2.31 inches wide.

*images*

I don't see any extra holes for a dedicated camera button :|

 

[Buttonbasher]

Man, I hated the look of those mockups. I will be so bummed if that's how they really look. I just want it to look like the 4 with better guts, camera and bigger screen. Not this teardrop wide home button ish.

 

[LCfiner]

I don't see any extra holes for a dedicated camera button :|

there’s a raised bump for the Vol+ button

 

[Particle Physicist]

A carrier store?

I posted in the wrong thread :O

 

[The Lamonster]

God those are ugly case colors. And the teardrop shape idea sounds ugly as well.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Hey guys, something shitty happened and I'm kinda sorta freaking out. Would love some advice from the experts.

So I keep all my music and apps in an external hard drive, yeah? Well the other day I went to update my phone (Im on iOS 5 B1, was gonna update to B4) and plugged my external in to load up my library and sync. Well, apparently my external died or malfunctioned. Most of my music is gone, including my iTunes folder with my library file. So uhh, what the fuck do I do now? I can't sync because it will delete all my
songs and stuff right? And I can't update because when you restore doesn't it delete all the contents on your phone and then sync them over after the new beta has been installed?

Set iTunes to manually manage your music and then you can sync without any problem.

 

[Bboy AJ]

Marking down names for the inevitable crow. Last time, the "fake" 4 looked like crap and like nothing Apple would ever make until Apple actually made it and then it was beautiful.

Believe in the case tapering and increased screen size now, heathens, or be forever unable to wash yourselves of your sins.

I actually prefer the industrialized brick shape of the 4. I hope it doesn't taper. Bigger screen is a necessity. You'll see how many people repent from "Why do you need a screen that big on a PHONE, anyway?" Only because Apple said it was okay this time.

 

[butter_stick]

Does anyone else have the 'press the home button near the top with your nail and it won't respond' thing as mentioned by Error? I'm booked in at the Apple store since my home button seems less responsive than it was, but after trying my friends 3 week old white iPhone 4 his is far worse than mine even, so I'm worried I'll give them my pristine and maybe not too broken iPhone 4 and get something back that's even worse :S

My launch day iPhone 4 has an awful home button. So hard to do simple stuff like double presses or even get it to respond at all sometimes.

Same thing happened with my 3G. I really hate the design of the home button. At this point is be all for some sort of touch sensitive button rather than a physical one in the next iPhone.

 

[demigod]

Is $3 suddenly too expensive for a GPS program?

You might be thinking of Motion-X Dice.

Try $19.95 for voice. Why pay that shit when I can just buy a Garmin that doesn't need data plan to use.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Marking down names for the inevitable crow. Last time, the "fake" 4 looked like crap and like nothing Apple would ever make until Apple actually made it and then it was beautiful.

Believe in the case tapering and increased screen size now, heathens, or be forever unable to wash yourselves of your sins.

For the record, I loved the iPhone 4 design since the first leak and still do. I'm not sure I like the size change yet and I definitely don't like going back to the curved back design. I'm betting I'll still prefer the iPhone 4 physical design in the end. I wanna see crow eaten though by people who said the screen was the perfect size and shouldn't go bigger, or same with the phone size because it looks like both is happening.

 

[LCfiner]

I started believing in case leaks back when the 3G cases became real. they have been remarkably accurate for iPods and iPhones and iPads many times.

I am less enthusiastic about the increase in width with this potential new iPhone shape. I don’t mind if it gets a bit tall but making it wider could make it a bit less easy to hold. but, at the same time, making it thinner probably has a more noticeable effect on the grip.

I’m all good with a taper if it allows them to keep the great camera lens and sensor they got now while keeping it thin where we hold it.

 

[Bboy AJ]

I wanna see crow eaten though by people who said the screen was the perfect size and shouldn't go bigger, or same with the phone size because it looks like both is happening.

It will be epic because it was a point held so fervently. Held.

 

[kehs]

Why do people come in here only to troll?

I was kind of hoping to come in here and see discussion on iOS5 and Iphone5.

But I get 'LOL FLASH' and 'ANDROID CRUSHING iOS"

Who cares?

Check the thread for iOS5 maybe?

It will be epic because it was a point held so fervently. Held.

When Apple does it, they do it right.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Mac rumours reports that Chinese iPhone 5 cases may give a hint that this might be possible.

thisismynext said the same stuff from their source before the case leaks, so it looks doubly likely.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

And a supposed first picture of the iPhone 5, shot by some dude in San Francisco.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Pote...Shot-on-a-Train-in-San-Francisco-214129.shtml



an owner of two Apple handsets - an iPhone 3GS and the newer iPhone 4 - this person told 9to5mac.com that what he saw was nothing like any existing iPhone model.

Moreover, when the blog showed him the recently 'leaked' iPhone 5 cases, he said the device that person was holding would fit them perfectly.

As the report notes, the unit appears to be too thin and flat to be an iPhone 3GS, and it’s clearly not an iPhone 4 either, as it has rounded edges and a tapered back shell.

 

[LCfiner]

Apple rumour time is my favourite time of year.

concerning this new phone, the shape might not look as, um, classy as the iPhone 4 if they add tapers and rounded corners but the materials used will make or break the design

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Apple rumour time is my favourite time of year.

concerning this new phone, the shape might not look as, um, classy as the iPhone 4 if they add tapers and rounded corners but the materials used will make or break the design

I prefer the roundness of the 3GS compared to the 4G, so I'm really looking forward to the 5, if Apple will go with that style.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I just have to hope they open it up to all carriers this time.

 

[BuggyDClown]

I'm really disappointed in this news, while also excited.

Unsure of
-Resolution. They won't bump it right? SO at 4 inches it will be below 300ppi. No more retina?
-Size. Not sure how much bigger I want my iPhone to be, then again I might love it. Could be great for photos videos act. Not to mention games.
-Thinner. Worse battery life? Especially with a bigger screen. Then again the A5 might take care of that.
-Design. Not big on any of the mockups yet. I love the iPhone 4 design, but change is good, so who knows.

Totally stoked
-New design could be awesome!
-Screen increase could be great for games
-Better camera
-Better processor
-More comfortable

I just have to hope they open it up to all carriers this time.

I'll be shocked toy see T-mobile branding. I will be pleased to see sprint, and not surprised at all. I think apple would love to have their phone on an unlimited carrier.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I'm really disappointed in this news, while also excited.

Unsure of
-Resolution. They won't bump it right? SO at 4 inches it will be below 300ppi. No more retina?

they won't bump it past "retina" resolution, so I'm thinking 3.7 inches or so.

I neeeed an AWS version or it's a no go for me. I'm on Wind in canada which is the same as t-mobile in the US. I see no reason not to.

 

[BuggyDClown]

they won't bump it past "retina" resolution, so I'm thinking 3.7 inches or so.

Would an extra .2 inches even make a difference?

Need a ruler.

I do hope it comes soon. The faster the 3GS is not sold the better. less and less incentive to build apps for it, no offense but Im annoyed when many apps still don't have retina resolution support or built around that from the get go.

it's a no go for me. I'm on Wind in canada which is the same as t-mobile in the US. I see no reason not to.

They will need a new chip/antenna, they already have separate skis for coma and gsm, add a third? Also I don't know if there is a chip/antenna to support all 3, and I bet apple would love to just make one device.

 

[LCfiner]

Would an extra .2 inches even make a difference?

Need a ruler.

I do hope it comes soon. The faster the 3GS is not sold the better. less and less incentive to build apps for it, no offense but Im annoyed when many apps still don't have retina resolution support or built around that from the get go.

http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html

if Apple is interested in keeping the definition as "300+ppi at 12” from eyes” then 3.8” is the biggest they can go.

but, honestly, they’ll just move to 4” if they want to move to 4” and just change the ad copy on retina resolution.

or Steve will send a curt email to someone who complains telling them to “hold it farther away from your face"

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Well the 0.2 inches is what the iPhone 5 itself is supposed to become wider. There's still a bit of space on the edge of the current iPhone's left which could be used for a wider screen, too.

So new screen = 0.2 inches + ?? wider?

 

[Hexadecimalt]

Does anyone know for sure whether or not we'll see a price cut for 4 once iPhone 5 details have been announced?

 

[kehs]

http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html

if Apple is interested in keeping the definition as "300+ppi at 12” from eyes” then 3.8” is the biggest they can go.

but, honestly, they’ll just move to 4” if they want to move to 4” and just change the ad copy on retina resolution.

or Steve will send a curt email to someone who complains telling them to “hold it farther away from your face"

The print mantra of 300dpi has always been give or take 25dpi at 12".

 

[BuggyDClown]

http://members.ping.de/~sven/dpi.html

if Apple is interested in keeping the definition as "300+ppi at 12” from eyes” then 3.8” is the biggest they can go.

but, honestly, they’ll just move to 4” if they want to move to 4” and just change the ad copy on retina resolution.

or Steve will send a curt email to someone who complains telling them to “hold it farther away from your face"

Actually you could say that the 4 inch screen would naturally be held say.. 13 or 14 inches from your face instead of 12. Making it not 300ppi. For instance I bet a retina iPad won't be 300+ppi because you don't hold it 12 inches away.

Does anyone know for sure whether or not we'll see a price cut for 4 once iPhone 5 details have been announced?

Yes we will when it's out. I still don't get why you would buy the old one when it's 99$ more. You spend most of the money on the plan the extra 100$ is worth waiting a month or two so you don't miss out on features and end up behind from day one.