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[MayauMiao]

Don't lie. Euronymous was an outspoken communist but that wasn't why he killed him. He was preparing to kidnap Varg and make a snuff film out of his torture and eventual death.
Varg found out and drove to his apartment to confront him. Things got out of hand and he killed him. It had nothing to do with politics.

2 wrong doesn't make a right. That's fucked up on both sides.

 

[mario_O]

He was preparing to kidnap Varg and make a snuff film out of his torture and eventual death.
Varg found out and drove to his apartment to confront him. Things got out of hand and he killed him. It had nothing to do with politics.

Wut. I think you've been watching too many movies. He killed him because of his political views. But it's not just that, he is neonazi piece of shit.

Edit- "things got out of hand"

Yeah, out of hand: His body was found on the stairs outside the apartment with 23 stab – two to the head, five to the neck, and 16 to the back.

And his friend, Blackthorn, claims that Vikernes planned to murder Euronymous and pressured him into coming along.

 

[Fanthomas]

Wut. I think you've been watching too many movies. He killed him because of his political views. But it's not just that, he is neonazi piece of shit.

As I thought, you aren't interested in the truth. You just wanted to make a political point.

 

[mario_O]

As I thought, you aren't interested in the truth. You just wanted to make a political point.

that's not the truth, that was the killers defense. he also said it was in self defense. 23 stabs. and brought a friend to help him with the murder.

Also, Vikernes was also found guilty of four counts of arson on 12th Century churches and admitted to conspiring to blow up the Blitz House, a socialist/anarchist squat in Oslo that was also home to the Norwegian Anti Fascist Action network. But no, his actions were not political. jeez.

 

[Dr. Claus]

I've played the game for about 15-20 hours, and it's fine, I don't see any racism or fascism or anything. Is it accurate with the period like they claim? I don't know, maybe not. Some historians say there were people of colour in that period. But watching the developer/producer promote the game at gamescom with a t-shirt of a band like Burzum, a National Socialist black metal (NSBM) band, whose leader is a convicted murderer (the guy killed a 25 year old musician because he was a leftist) and a neonazi -that's hard to swallow. I didn't want to play the game after seeing that, but man the game is so good.

arsehole^

*sigh*

This has already been talked about and misconceptions have been cleared up over on the Gerstmann/Kingdom Come thread. You can enjoy a band and dislike/despise some of its members, y'know.

 

[mario_O]

*sigh*

This has already been talked about and misconceptions have been cleared up over on the Gerstmann/Kingdom Come thread. You can enjoy a band and dislike/despise some of its members, y'know.

Speak for yourself. And its not just a band, it represents an ideology: Aryan black metal or neo-Nazi black metal.

 

[TYRiAX]

Totally agree with the sorry state of the mainstream gaming media, which is why i haven't given them any direct traffic in years now

 

[prag16]

Speak for yourself. And its not just a band, it represents an ideology: Aryan black metal or neo-Nazi black metal.

I'm not overly familiar with the subject, but nothing I can find indicates that the music itself is "Aryan" or "neo-Nazi". Care to enlighten me?

 

[Dr. Claus]

I'm not overly familiar with the subject, but nothing I can find indicates that the music itself is "Aryan" or "neo-Nazi". Care to enlighten me?

I would like to know as well. I am smelling bullshit, considering Varg Vikernes (the dick that he is), did not use the band to push any political viewpoints - something mario would know if he did research.

 

[mario_O]

I'm not overly familiar with the subject, but nothing I can find indicates that the music itself is "Aryan" or "neo-Nazi". Care to enlighten me?

Sure, here's a good read.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Sure, here's a good read.

So, despite the band's music not promoting or pushing any political agenda (or containing any political references), they are somehow considered NSBM because of Varg Vikernes being a part of the band?

National Socialist black metal (NSBM), sometimes called Aryan black metal or neo-Nazi black metal, is black metal music that promotes Nazism or similar ideologies.

National Socialist black metal (also known as NSBM) is black metal that promotes National Socialist (Nazi) beliefs through their lyrics and imagery. These beliefs often include: white supremacy, racial separatism, antisemitism, sexism, homophobia, and Nazi interpretations of paganism or Satanism. According to Mattias Gardell, NSBM musicians see "national socialism as a logical extension of the political and spiritual dissidence inherent in black metal".[1]

Bands whose members hold Nazi beliefs but do not express these through their lyrics are generally not considered NSBM by black metal musicians, but are labelled as such in media reports.

National Socialist black metal is a form of black metal music performed by artists who promote a National Socialist or similar ideology through their lyrics and imagery. NSBM typically melds neo-Nazi beliefs with ethnic European paganism and hostility to "foreign" religions.

The universal definition seems to be that NSBM is music in the black metal genre that promotes nazi rhetoric through lyrics and imagery. Something that has been shown time and again is not the case with Burzum. I will repeat what I said again: separate the art from the artist. Hate Varg Vikernes all you want. Dude is a scumbag, but don't try to label music which has nothing to do with NSBM or neo-nazi as music that promotes NSBM/neo-nazis. Especially one that was instrumental in progressing black metal as a genre.

As an aside, I will need a *ton* of citations for that post on a no-name website by a no-name journalist. Doesn't seem like the most trustworthy of sources.

 

[prag16]

So, despite the band's music not promoting or pushing any political agenda (or containing any political references), they are somehow considered NSBM because of Varg Vikernes being a part of the band?





The universal definition seems to be that NSBM is music in the black metal genre that promotes nazi rhetoric through lyrics and imagery. Something that has been shown time and again is not the case with Burzum. I will repeat what I said again: separate the art from the artist. Hate Varg Vikernes all you want. Dude is a scumbag, but don't try to label music which has nothing to do with NSBM or neo-nazi as music that promotes NSBM/neo-nazis.

As an aside, I will need a *ton* of citations for that post on a no-name website by a no-name journalist. Doesn't seem like the most trustworthy of sources.

Beaten. I was about to write something similar. As you said all sources point to the music itself being entirely non-political, and that the act is very influential in black metal on the whole (not just "NSBM" of which it seemingly is not a part).

We're probably splitting hairs at this point, but the bottom line is that the t-shirt is not a smoking gun of any kind.

 

[mario_O]

As an aside, I will need a *ton* of citations for that post on a no-name website by a no-name journalist. Doesn't seem like the most trustworthy of sources.

It is trustworthy. Everything it says is real. Do your research.

 

[Dr. Claus]

It is trustworthy. Everything it says is real. Do your research.

I have done my research. I have citations, reviews, and known journals/editors. You have only posted a single link to a no-name site written by a no-name journalist claiming that it is "real" after your bold claim and telling others to prove what you say. If you claim something, you back it up with proof. I have shown mine, I have backed it up. You have yet to do so.

 

[mario_O]

I have done my research. I have citations, reviews, and known journals/editors. You have only posted a single link to a no-name site written by a no-name journalist claiming that it is "real" after your bold claim and telling others to prove what you say. If you claim something, you back it up with proof. I have shown mine, I have backed it up. You have yet to do so.

What are you talking about? You havent shown anything. A freakin wikipedia entry about Aryan black metal that you copy and paste, and it has Burzum in it too. Jeez.

From the wikipedia that you copied and paste (your research):

National Socialist Black Metal:
Vikernes is generally seen as being responsible for popularizing such views in the black metal scene. According to an interview in Blood & Honour magazine, he contacted neo-Nazi organization Zorn 88 (later called the National Socialist Movement of Norway) in 1992[18] and joined White Aryan Resistance

 

[InterMusketeer]

Although Vikernes is known for his controversial political views, he does not use Burzum to promote those views, and his lyrics are non-political.

I'm no expert on this band or any kind of metal really (I prefer smooth jazz), but I have no problem assuming wikipedia's information is correct here. If so, It is entirely possible the developer wore that shirt without knowing about these controversial opinions, or even if he did he didn't necessarily agree with them (the work doesn't depend on these views after all). Or maybe he did actually agree with them. I don't know. Either way it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt, which is exactly what the video said.

Anyway, medieval Bohemia not having any black folks in doesn't offend me, I haven't heard of any content in the game pushing neonazi ideology and I respect the developer for defending his vision for the game, so I'd feel totally comfortable supporting this game. I don't care what he says on twitter, as long as it doesn't have any influence on the product. I don't lose sleep at night over potentially supporting nazis with the purchase of this game. Tons of people are working at that studio and they probably hold all kinds of different beliefs and views. The juice in my fridge could have been made by nazis for all I know. You'd better start looking into every single person involved with every single product or service you buy from now on, if you want to make a change and not just virtue signal. That's just my opinion though.

 

[mario_O]

Although Vikernes is known for his controversial political views, he does not use Burzum to promote those views, and his lyrics are non-political.

I'm no expert on this band or any kind of metal really (I prefer smooth jazz), but I have no problem assuming wikipedia's information is correct here. If so, It is entirely possible the developer wore that shirt without knowing about these controversial opinions, or even if he did he didn't necessarily agree with them (the work doesn't depend on these views after all). Or maybe he did actually agree with them. I don't know. Either way it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt, which is exactly what the video said.

Anyway, medieval Bohemia not having any black folks in doesn't offend me, I haven't heard of any content in the game pushing neonazi ideology and I respect the developer for defending his vision for the game, so I'd feel totally comfortable supporting this game. I don't care what he says on twitter, as long as it doesn't have any influence on the product. I don't lose sleep at night over potentially supporting nazis with the purchase of this game. Tons of people are working at that studio and they probably hold all kinds of different beliefs and views. The juice in my fridge could have been made by nazis for all I know. You'd better start looking into every single person involved with every single product or service you buy from now on, if you want to make a change and not just virtue signal. That's just my opinion though.

Nope. It's not true.

He is not blatant about his far right racism and anti-semitism in his music, but Burzum masks it in a pseudo-intellectual, semi-romantic ancestor worshipping nationalism: "Fellow countrymen Nokturnal Mortum’s 'The Call of Arya".
This way it's easier to distribute the music. Burzum is part of the neonazi subculture.

From the wikipedia:

National Socialist Black Metal:
Vikernes is generally seen as being responsible for popularizing such views in the black metal scene

 

[Moneal]

Nope. It's not true.

He is not blatant about his far right racism and anti-semitism in his music, but Burzum masks it in a pseudo-intellectual, semi-romantic ancestor worshipping nationalism: "Fellow countrymen Nokturnal Mortum’s 'The Call of Arya".
This way it's easier to distribute the music. Burzum is part of the neonazi subculture.

From the wikipedia:

National Socialist Black Metal:
Vikernes is generally seen as being responsible for popularizing such views in the black metal scene

From the link you provided:

Although lyrically not outwardly fascist, the Burzum website leaves no doubt about his ideology.

So his lyrics aren't pushing fascism, but his music is national socialist. No one is disputing the musicians views on national socialism. Just your claim that the music and the creator are pushing the same thing. your article link even disputes your claim.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Nope. It's not true.

He is not blatant about his far right racism and anti-semitism in his music, but Burzum masks it in a pseudo-intellectual, semi-romantic ancestor worshipping nationalism: "Fellow countrymen Nokturnal Mortum’s 'The Call of Arya".
This way it's easier to distribute the music. Burzum is part of the neonazi subculture.

From the wikipedia:

National Socialist Black Metal:
Vikernes is generally seen as being responsible for popularizing such views in the black metal scene

I don't know if you are purposefully being ignorant or just trolling at this point, but it is clear you are going to continue arguing in bad faith and not worth the time debating with.

Although Vikernes is known for his controversial political views, he does not use Burzum to promote those views, and his lyrics are non-political.

I'm no expert on this band or any kind of metal really (I prefer smooth jazz), but I have no problem assuming wikipedia's information is correct here. If so, It is entirely possible the developer wore that shirt without knowing about these controversial opinions, or even if he did he didn't necessarily agree with them (the work doesn't depend on these views after all). Or maybe he did actually agree with them. I don't know. Either way it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt, which is exactly what the video said.

Anyway, medieval Bohemia not having any black folks in doesn't offend me, I haven't heard of any content in the game pushing neonazi ideology and I respect the developer for defending his vision for the game, so I'd feel totally comfortable supporting this game. I don't care what he says on twitter, as long as it doesn't have any influence on the product. I don't lose sleep at night over potentially supporting nazis with the purchase of this game. Tons of people are working at that studio and they probably hold all kinds of different beliefs and views. The juice in my fridge could have been made by nazis for all I know. You'd better start looking into every single person involved with every single product or service you buy from now on, if you want to make a change and not just virtue signal. That's just my opinion though.

Agreed wholeheartedly. There is no reason why someone cannot enjoy a particular piece of art, whether that be in the form of music, video games, painting, written, or otherwise - as long as they can separate the art from the artist. As an example, I will still read Rorouni Kenshin, despite the creator being absolute scum. The story is still well written, the characters are still strong, the art is great, and it is overall a landmark title in Manga. That doesn't suddenly change if the creator turns out to be a terrible person, nor does that make you a terrible person for still liking it.

 

[mario_O]

I don't know if you are purposefully being ignorant or just trolling at this point, but it is clear you are going to continue arguing in bad faith and not worth the time debating with.

I don't know what you are talking about. Burzum is a neonazi band, it's part of their culture. Period.
And it's not the only "clue" the developer has giving us about his political leanings. There's more stuff: It's not a coincidence that he listens to this band. He knows very well what Burzum is and what it means. Find it kinda disturbing that he wore that Burzum tshirt for a week at gamescom.
I think you are just playing the fool here...

Anyway, I'm done with this thread.

 

[Big0Bear]

So as a black man I do like poc in games but if they are not there that’s not racist. Hell if that was true why isn’t anyone mad at Nintendo for smash Bros lol people are too damn sensitive.

 

[prag16]

I don't know what you are talking about. Burzum is a neonazi band, it's part of their culture. Period.
And it's not the only "clue" the developer has giving us about his political leanings. There's more stuff: It's not a coincidence that he listens to this band. He knows very well what Burzum is and what it means. Find it kinda disturbing that he wore that Burzum tshirt for a week at gamescom.
I think you are just playing the fool here...

Anyway, I'm done with this thread.

He didn't wear it for a week. He wore it for a day, and wore shirts depicting other black metal bands the other days. But you don't care. You're obviously pushing an agenda at all costs. Facts don't matter.

 

[dragomix]

Social issues in USA are not the same in whole world. In East Europe, we didnt have any slaves, on the contrary common people of the time were property of their lord and king, and that can be seen in the game. All white, people, some of them lords, some of them as we call them kmets whit out land and any kind of property, and some of them were craftsman and could have some property. Ultranacionalists in east europe are mainly nota against people of color but other tribes of Slavic people. So Croats hate Serbs and vice versa, Ukranians hate Russians and so on... For most part, some of east Europeans identify themselves with people of color in USA, and if you ask any people of color that visited Eastern European contryes they will tell you that they didnt feel any racism, especially not systematic one like one in the USA. Even now, people of color are really seen in my country, so why would there be some of them in Middle ages?

As i said, social issues of USA are not the same as one in Europe, especially Eastern Europe.

 

[Spheyr]

I think the most amazingly racist thing is separating all seven billion people on this planet into "Whites" and "People of Color"

 

[Spukc]

Great piece from colin again.
And i agree on the binary view. No apologies possible you are done. What a dumb way of thinking.
Some of those gaming websites should really take a look at themselves.
Even one of my favourite websites giantbomb is guilty of this.
I love the fact that the game is a huge success and it's living proof that good games get the attention they need even if a small group is bad mouthing it.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

He didn't wear it for a week. He wore it for a day, and wore shirts depicting other black metal bands the other days. But you don't care. You're obviously pushing an agenda at all costs. Facts don't matter.

The truth doesn't matter. This is the second poster in a few days to perpetuate these lies.

 

[Senua]

I've played the game for about 15-20 hours, and it's fine, I don't see any racism or fascism or anything. Is it accurate with the period like they claim? I don't know, maybe not. Some historians say there were people of colour in that period. But watching the developer/producer promote the game at gamescom with a t-shirt of a band like Burzum, a National Socialist black metal (NSBM) band, whose leader is a convicted murderer (the guy killed a 25 year old musician because he was a leftist) and a neonazi -that's hard to swallow. I didn't want to play the game after seeing that, but man the game is so good.

arsehole^

Maybe he just likes black metal, I'd wear that shirt any day, as would millions of metal fans. Not everything is political.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Euronymous was a communist, I guess that makes Mayhem a communist band.

 

[SatansReverence]

Euronymous was a communist, I guess that makes Mayhem a communist band.

I would hate to know Metallicas political beliefs because apparently I would have to share them by default

 

[drotahorror]

Nice work journos.

 

[KevinKeene]

Nice work journos.

Maybe translate for the rest of us?

 

[Ridcully]

Maybe translate for the rest of us?

Machine translator works well enough to get a good sense in this case: "Daniel Vavra and his perfect redemption. The Czech game Kingdom Come is a world hit". It looks like the press in his homeland is celebrating.

 

[drotahorror]

Machine translator works well enough to get a good sense in this case: "Daniel Vavra and his perfect redemption. The Czech game Kingdom Come is a world hit". It looks like the press in his homeland is celebrating.

Basically.


The game did so well financially, Czech's Forbes magazine had to cover it (since Warhorse Studios is a Czech developer).

 

[OldBoyGamer]

Colin must have touched a nerve..."new challengers appear!"...carrying an armful of hyperbole, feeling embarrassed and silly! Stop projecting, fellas, the rest of us aren't so sensitive towards opposing opinions.

"Gamers are dead", "KCD is racist", and "Assassin's Creed is sexist" are obvious examples of the "gaming press" cabal. However, let's just focus on KCD and the epic backfiring that happened in the "gaming press" cabal's face. Colin said it best, "For me though, Kingdom Come Deliverence's million sales and counting represents something else entirely: The rise of an increasingly savvy pool of reasonable and level-headed gamers who are unwilling to succumb to the same old tired character assassinating talking points, and the stunning defeat of a small group of waning neo-puritanical gatekeepers who yet again vastly overestimated the weight and gravity of their endless moral indignation."

It's of incredible importance that KCD was Kickstarter. As we saw with The Last Night, petty snipes taking old tweets without context and going to the game's publisher and trying to destroy it. Right during the E3 showing. Without crowdfunding, the "gaming press" can coordinate attacks and the poor publicity from "major outlets" would be enough to drop the game. It's political censorship via the media cabal.

I'm not actually disagreeing with this quote. But I do question how he comes to that conclusion? There is no evidence that his conclusion is correct. The sales of KCD could literally be large racist groups that have gotten together to go out of their way to buy this game in support and defense of what they might perceive as 'one of them'.

You understand I'm not actually saying that's what happened. I'm just pointing out that he cannot make that assumption without evidence. Well, he can of course, but his assumption is meaningless to anyone who doesn't already agree with his stance - to those that do agree with him, he's 100% right.

Personally, I take most exception to the 'increasingly savvy pool of reasonable and level-headed gamers' quote. That's not what we see on an average gaming day is it?

 

[Bryank75]

I'm not actually disagreeing with this quote. But I do question how he comes to that conclusion? There is no evidence that his conclusion is correct. The sales of KCD could literally be large racist groups that have gotten together to go out of their way to buy this game in support and defense of what they might perceive as 'one of them'.

You understand I'm not actually saying that's what happened. I'm just pointing out that he cannot make that assumption without evidence. Well, he can of course, but his assumption is meaningless to anyone who doesn't already agree with his stance - to those that do agree with him, he's 100% right.

Personally, I take most exception to the 'increasingly savvy pool of reasonable and level-headed gamers' quote. That's not what we see on an average gaming day is it?

It's all relative but with the age of console gamers going up on average and so many being fathers or well into their 30s, you're sure to see a more mellowed and informed version of what was before. After all we are constantly "becoming", what we are is not what we will be in years or even months or days to come.
How many games inspired by the feminist and progressive agenda have failed? Mirrors Edge C, Mass Effect Andromeda and rise of the tomb raider underperformed greatly.
Meanwhile GTAV with its misogynistic overtones, jacked up for comic effect has sold over 70 million. All the while Anita who has been pushed by the press for four years now, still has only 7k twitter followers.
I think it's obvious gamers are savvy and don't swallow any crap without first knowing what is being served and who is serving it.
That's my take anyway.. you'll always have outliers and sheeple.

 

[Wulfram]

I think gamers as a whole have pretty consistently not cared very much about social issues in gaming. I don't really see how that makes them "increasingly savvy".

 

[Sailent]

Didn't the Main Dev compare Nazis with Communists?

 

[Moneal]

Didn't the Main Dev compare Nazis with Communists?

What's not to compare between the two? Outside death toll which communists hold hands down.

 

[CrustyBritches]

I'm not actually disagreeing with this quote. But I do question how he comes to that conclusion? There is no evidence that his conclusion is correct. The sales of KCD could literally be large racist groups that have gotten together to go out of their way to buy this game in support and defense of what they might perceive as 'one of them'.

The "gaming press" created narrative that the game is racist, the creators are racist, has been destroyed. It is a lie. Therefore, these racists you've conjured wouldn't support the game at all because it isn't racist. See how the truth works?

Instead, level-headed gamers would see through the lies and buy it anyway. They will probably even promote it feeling it represents something important.

In the neo-puritanical rulebook of the "gaming press", if you buy or support KCD...you are a racist. I see you trying to do it here in a backhanded manner. Good for other gamers to see it too. Get a look at the enemy that thinks that "gamers are/should be dead" and hates them.

 

[TTOOLL]

This identity politics shit and constant tribalism have gotten totally out of hand. It's a shame that game media decided to go down this road because of political correctness. The video is great!

 

[Sailent]

What's not to compare between the two? Outside death toll which communists hold hands down.

What is that "toll"? Heard it varies a lot from person to person.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

This identity politics shit and constant tribalism have gotten totally out of hand. It's a shame that game media decided to go down this road because of political correctness. The video is great!

So is the game. I'm finding the combat difficult, mind you.

 

[Dr. Claus]

So is the game. I'm finding the combat difficult, mind you.

I struggled for a bit, but I found that if you wait for them to attack 2-3 times in a row, attack back. They won't be able to defend fast enough and you can deal some good damage/tire them out.

 

[OldBoyGamer]

The "gaming press" created narrative that the game is racist, the creators are racist, has been destroyed. It is a lie. Therefore, these racists you've conjured wouldn't support the game at all because it isn't racist. See how the truth works?

Instead, level-headed gamers would see through the lies and buy it anyway. They will probably even promote it feeling it represents something important.

In the neo-puritanical rulebook of the "gaming press", if you buy or support KCD...you are a racist. I see you trying to do it here in a backhanded manner. Good for other gamers to see it too. Get a look at the enemy that thinks that "gamers are/should be dead" and hates them.

oh god did you just call me the enemy?? You're funny. A little confused, but funny.

 

[CrustyBritches]

The sales of KCD could literally be large racist groups that have gotten together to go out of their way to buy this game in support and defense of what they might perceive as 'one of them'.

You can't see it since it's probably second nature from being on gaf, but the way you pussyfoot around what you really think, lacing your comments with innuendo under the guise of being confused is behavior typical of oldgaf. This is nwogaf, where you don't have to hide behind the veil of confusion.

You think the game is racist and was mostly purchased by racists? Here's your chance to state your case. Burden of proof is on you...

 

[Tupinambis_WOT]

From what I've seen, the game itself is not racist [or at least not in any obvious explicit way].... but Vavra probably is. At a certain point I can't even blame him; people are largely a product of where they live and eastern Europe can be shamelessly racist. That being said, if someone expresses the viewpoint on Trayvon Martin's death that black people are the problem, then it becomes hard to defend that person as not racist.

If Colin's position on this was "yeah the guy may be a racist, but it doesn't show in the game at all" then that'd be one thing, but it really does feel like he just has an axe to grind in this video.

 

[Sleepy Hooman]

Colin is on point, the game is awesome. Don't put games, people, opinions in the same basket.

Just enjoy the fucking game, black people, women and many other people are playing it and enjoying it, it looks like, the most of them who got something against this game, are the ones who are not playing it, at all, not planning of playing or buying, never heard of it before someone mentioned ”racism and not black people involved in a game”

As a resident of Eastern Europe, I can agree that there were no black people in this region, in Czech, Poland, Slovakia, Belarus, Russia etc, even on the south side of these countries, even in those were people of all races and colours could come with boats and shit.

The game is on point as ”historical accuracy” is in question here, the guy who is making it? Well, I don't know. Just keep in mind that boycotting this game just because one guy is just worthless, you're doing yourselves a harm by not playing this great game, not otherwise. And also, if you decide not to buy a game just because of it, you're not hurting one guy, you're hurting indie scene and all the rest of people working at Warhorse Studios, and I bet there are people from all kind of nationality and commitments.

Play the game, it's beautiful, don't judge it because of one guy, judge it by the quality and accurate representation of a beauty of Eastern Europe in that period of time. Enjoy everything that Warhorse Studios recreated with this game, and let other people hate, judge etc.

 

[Frozen Bagel]

This whole tripe really reminds me of that time when there were those on the fringes of the gaming press questioning why there were no people of color in the Witcher 3. Then for some reason it picked up like wildfire if only briefly.

 

[bosnianpie]

I've been pro-Colin ever since the witch hunt that made him leave KF. Many people might not like what he has to say but he argues for his point and is always ready for discussion. Atleast that's the impression I got watching his shows over the last couple of years.

I am glad that these sites are receiving backlash because this nonsense has to end. I just hope people keeps it civil and give them constructive criticism. There's absolutely nothing wrong with creating/advocating a game with only white characters if the story takes place in a region that is almost exclusively white to this day, not to mention hundreds of years ago! No, that's called common sense, something we've apparently lost in the last decade or so.

 

[Mattyp]

What is that "toll"? Heard it varies a lot from person to person.

Is this real? Heard of Stalin? Lenin? What do they teach in school these days.