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[PhoenixDark]

I agree with Littlewig, I think. How about someone else tell me what to think?

 

[Lionheart]

Revolution is weaker, so it cost more to make games for it?

Love that logic.

I don't understand the logic that weaker hardware automatically means cheaper games either. It's like people think all developers will spend $10-15+ million on PS3 / X360 games just because the hardware forces them to.

I'd say that the more powerful the hardware is (with the right tools), the easier it is to get games look good. Because the same engine (with the same time spent on textures and stuff) will always run better on the more powerful hardware and you can enable effects / AA that would not be possible on the other system.

 

[Kleegamefan]

I'm sorry

I guess you weren't here for the classic "reactions to E3 sicken me" thread?

 

[Geoff9920]

I can't stay awake long enough for the (preliminary) specs to arrive, alas. :-( Call me weak.

Here's something for the rest of the wait:

:lol :lol :lol

 

[isamu]

Goddamn 12 pages already this is insane in teh membrane :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[littlewig]

I don't understand the logic that weaker hardware automatically means cheaper games either. It's like people think all developers will spend $10-15+ million on PS3 / X360 games just because the hardware forces them to.

I'd say that the more powerful the hardware is (with the right tools), the easier it is to get games look good. Because the same engine (with the same time spent on textures and stuff) will always run better on the more powerful hardware and you can enable effects / AA that would not be possible on the other system.

I don't get it either, but it's better than just assuming that development costs for porting will increase.

No one really knows though, but given that developing for the Rev will be similar to developing for the GC because they have the same API specifications, cost and development resources/time shouldn't be as high as say learning the new hardware for PS3.

 

[GitarooMan]

Ubi Soft is already working on an FPS for the machine apparently ... what FPS exclusive did the GCN ever get?

You missed this gem?

You'll see fewer third party titles as a whole, but more third party exclusives, which to me is better.

Hopefully, and hopefully a lot more will come from western devs like Ubisoft than in the GC era. More quality western exclusives would improve Nintendo's position in the West a lot, I just wonder if they have built the relationships with these devs to make it happen.

 

[Mrbob]

I didn't buy a sinlge third party port on the GameCube though.

To be honest the more radically different the Revolution is, the better chance is has of getting more interesting exclusives IMO.

Ubi Soft is already working on an FPS for the machine apparently ... what FPS exclusive did the GCN ever get?

As a publisher/developer you had no reason to give the GameCube an exclusive ... the biggest difference really between the GCN and PS2/XBox was the fact that it had digital click shoulder buttons.

You'll see fewer third party titles as a whole, but more third party exclusives, which to me is better.

The return of the Nintendo Dream Team?

 

[mrkgoo]

I don't understand the logic that weaker hardware automatically means cheaper games either. It's like people think all developers will spend $10-15+ million on PS3 / X360 games just because the hardware forces them to.

I'd say that the more powerful the hardware is (with the right tools), the easier it is to get games look good. Because the same engine (with the same time spent on textures and stuff) will always run better on the more powerful hardware and you can enable effects / AA that would not be possible on the other system.

Well, my opinion is that developers like to push the envelope on the power of the machine - so awesomely awesome developers are constantly battling the hardware, regardless of power (if it's more powerful, they just do more stuff).

And of course, with modern game design, gamers are demanding high polish and presentation. Voice acting, high quality models, FMV, writers, designers, etc...teh more the hardware is capable of delivering, teh higher the demand of the consumer. It all means cost, in the end.

This is not to say that Revolution will be cheap to develop for either...

 

[ocelittle]

what FPS exclusive did the GCN ever get?

Die Hard: Vandetta

 

[littlewig]

The return of the Nintendo Dream Team?

They all bailed out when the N64 was official revealed and released. Is nintendo due for another repeat? :lol

 

[Cymbal Head]

It's funny 'cause part of the reason this thread is so big is because so many people posted just to predict how big it would get.

 

[soundwave05]

The return of the Nintendo Dream Team?

To be dead honest, I think I actually preferred the N64 days over the GCN.

And its funny, the "Nintendo Dream Team" or a large part of it is basically now a little company called Rockstar (DMA Design + Angel Studios).

 

[Sho Nuff]

12 pages, wtf is the matter with you people?

 

[littlewig]

To be dead honest, I think I actually preferred the N64 days over the GCN.

Damn striaght, N64 had so many gems, even though the output was really low.

 

[Blackcherry]

There it is!

Broadway:
-under 2GHz
-90nm MPU fabrication process
-under 10watts
-does NES, SNES & N64 emulation on it's own (saves on power in emulation mode)
-upgrades NES, SNES & N64 ROM's
-lots of embedded cache (8MB?)
-performance improved by easier single-thread developement, existing GCN API, the added PPU & well-balanced speed/power for top-notch 480p visuals
Hollywood:
-about 500Mhz
-manufactured by NEC in GCN's fabrication plants
-about 25watts
-latest dolby, direct X and shader capabilities
-Revolution exclussive feature effects like "cube-mapping"
-lot's of embedded cache (4MB?)
-performance equal to competing hardware while running full effects, AA, 60fps @ 480p
PPU:
-offsets heat by doing alot of the # crunching for Broadway
-physics calculation handled for 3D spacial movement in each player's interface
-free's up Broadway to handle more AI, gameplay engines & overall system performance
Main Memory:
-128MB 1T-SRAM
-split into 32MB "chunks" to offset heat
-very low latency, very fast...creating no memory speed bottlenecks
-no slower secondary memory in the system
Disc Drive:
-over 8GB capacity discs based on DVD-ROM
-very slim, slot-loading drive for taking GCN, Revolution & DVD discs
-4X speed, direct streaming to system memory for low load times
Built-in Flash Memory:
-for game saves, settings & storing downloadable ROM's
-in emulation mode, can be used as "scratch pad" storage to save on power
-expandable through SD card slot

Overall performance will be that of the other systems *running on SDTV* resolutions. Since less "power" is required for good SDTV visuals, hardware (and software) development costs are but a ~fraction~ of competing next-generation systems/games running at HDTV resolutions.

Guys, the specs, if true, are posted already

 

[:Motorbass]

Die Hard: Vandetta

got ported too...

 

[SantaC]

12 pages, wtf is the matter with you people?

and you're one of the GAF veterans here?

 

[Mrbob]

To be dead honest, I think I actually preferred the N64 days over the GCN.

And its funny, the "Nintendo Dream Team" or a large part of it is basically now a little company called Rockstar (DMA Design + Angel Studios).

DMA around long before the Dream Team was formed.

Does anyone still have a picture Nintendo revealed with the Dream Team on N64? I can't find it now. Hilarious though.

 

[P90]

To be dead honest, I think I actually preferred the N64 days over the GCN.

Except for Animal Crossing and the Metroids, oh yeah.

 

[soundwave05]

DMA around long before the Dream Team was formed.

Yeah I know but back then people used to laugh at DMA and say they didn't deserve to be in a "Dream Team".

:lol Oh how times have changed.

Right now "DMA + Angel Studios + Rare + EAD + Acclaim (well lets say Retro)" would probably be enough to sell a machine on their own in all likelyhood.

 

[MadOdorMachine]

I didn't buy a sinlge third party port on the GameCube though.

To be honest the more radically different the Revolution is, the better chance is has of getting more interesting exclusives IMO.

Ubi Soft is already working on an FPS for the machine apparently ... what FPS exclusive did the GCN ever get?

As a publisher/developer you had no reason to give the GameCube an exclusive ... the biggest difference really between the GCN and PS2/XBox was the fact that it had digital click shoulder buttons.

You'll see fewer third party titles as a whole, but more third party exclusives, which to me is better.

Just curious what your reasoning is behind that. There are plenty of ports that make to GC that are just as good as the the PS2 and Xbox. BG&E, PoP:SoT, Metal Arms:Glitch in the System and Freedom Fighters are a few.

 

[Glass Joe]

Who needs a ghostbuster's power brick when the Revolution will be run like this?

With that said, I hope the system can compete graphicially in at least non-HD situations, because it sounds like a cool, different, risky idea to me.

 

[hadareud]

Guys, the specs, if true, are posted already

OMG, how did we miss that

 

[Letter to Elise]

OMG, how did we miss that

GAKMAN should be quaranteened as his "illness" is spreading.

~l2e

 

[Mrbob]

Yeah I know but back then people used to laugh at DMA and say they didn't deserve to be in a "Dream Team".

:lol Oh how times have changed.

Just the console kiddies.

The Dream Team is still laughable though. Out of 13 publishers at least one diamond in the rough is found.

 

[GaimeGuy]

OMG, how did we miss that

we missed it because it reads nothing like a professionally-written spec sheet.

Plus Gackman makes a new list of what he thinks the specs will be every week or so.

 

[soundwave05]

Just the console kiddies.

The Dream Team is still laughable though. Out of 13 publishers at least one diamond in the rough is found.

Well hypothetically lets say the "Dream Team" reformed today ...

Nintendo EAD
Rockstar (DMA + Angel)
Rareware
Retro Studios (Acclaim/Iguana)
LucasArts

I dunno man, that would basically be a "Dream Team". Midway would probably be the odd one out.

If Nintendo could have somehow combined their Western support on the N64 with the Japanese stuff they got on the GCN.

 

[hadareud]

we missed it because it reads nothing like a professionally-written spec sheet.

Plus Gackman makes a new list of what he thinks the specs will be every week or so.

I see (it was a joke though)

 

[LiquidMamba]

I believed you DrGAKMAN, I believed you.

 

[Nightbringer]

Modafucars.

He copies my Revolution specs and completed it and you are going to give to him all the credit if it is true.

Oh well...

 

[Letter to Elise]

I believed you DrGAKMAN, I believed you.

See! :lol

Think of the children! I beg of you!

~l2e

 

[hadareud]

Modafucars.

He copies my Revolution specs and completed it and you are going to give to him all the credit if it is true.

Oh well...

It's not all bad, maybe he'll also get the "credit" if it is wrong ...

 

[Gaia Theory]

We all need to get prepared for 'cube mapping' and stereoscopic gaming...

or not.

 

[M3wThr33]

It's not all bad, maybe he'll also get the "credit" if it is wrong ...

Unless it runs on bio-diesel I think Gakman has covered every possibly configuration, so one has to be right.

 

[Zerodoppler]

6 pages of nothing. This is extreme even for us.

 

[Mrbob]

Heh, did no one post the Fran damage control from the IGN boards here? Probably did but I skimmed through most of this thread and probably missed it!

The guy has always been a hardcore Nbot (especially in his GAF posting days) so I'm not surprised. Going down with the ship!

 

[dillingerx]

Heh, did no one post the Fran damage control from the IGN boards here? Probably did but I skimmed through most of this thread and probably missed it!

The guy has always been a hardcore Nbot (especially in his GAF posting days) so I'm not surprised. Going down with the ship!

lmao,what'd he say?

 

[littlewig]

Posted at the top of the fifth thread.

Please excuse the aggressive headline. I just wanted an attention grabber here. I figured I couldn't not post some feedback on Revolution the night we launch our official channel. I am still a Nintendo nerd at heart, heir to the IGN64 and IGNcube sites.

Anyway, people are really getting hooked on the whole idea that Revolution is 1.5x GameCube, or slightly better than Xbox, etc. Okay, I can understand the concern: we're talking about a system that will potentially have 25% the main RAM as a system like Xbox 360 or PS3. It's going to have some graphical drawbacks. But, at the same time, developers don't have a chipset in their hands yet. Until they do, you can't start talking about who kind of specific tricks IBM, ATI, and Nintendo have hardwired in there. It's unlikely that ATI has worked with Nintendo for years to create the exact same chipset as GameCube, only with a little more clockspeed. No, it's likely there will be some of the latest shader tricks, etc.

Aside from all that, the main point I wanted to put out there is that in Nintendo's mind, I'm sure Revolution is PlayStation 3.5 -- it's supposed to offer all the entertainment of games you're used to playing now, plus something completely new. If the company can provide enough software that truly takes advantage of the new control system to create new experiences, then you have something that the other consoles don't.

I've played with the Revolution controller, and I think it's just way too early to make any kind of judgement. There's a lot of potential, but there's also plenty of things that could go wrong (whether it just be the main functionality or something like software support). Nonetheless, I do know that as much as I love my HD gaming, or just high-end visuals, I wouldn't mind if Revolution games found themselves graphically on-par with something like Kameo in standard definition. That's not a level that I think is too far from achieving when you consider how much developers learn to pull off over the generation of a console's life.

So, while it's pretty easy to dog on the potential graphical performance, I think it's ultimately going to come down to just how intuitive/precise the controller is and what developers really can achieve with it. I believe E3 2006 will be the first real chance we'll have for answers to that.

And let's not forget how backwards compatability and other subtleties like that add to the experience...

 

[Letter to Elise]

Posted at the top of the fifth thread.

And the next part -

Don't get me wrong, though, I believe I'm still the most skeptical of those who've used the Revolution controller. But I know at this point that it's all going to come down to the controller. I won't be wanting to play the next Splinter Cell on Revolution for its graphics. Or any franchise that might come to it.

I'll get those on Xbox 360 for Live. Or on the PS3 if they look better, or for 1080p, or whatever.

But the appeal to buy games on Revolution are going to have to come solely from how unique games might be due to the controller or peripherals. I think all of us who've played Guitar Hero know how far a peripheral can go. Likewise, if I can get a sweet backlog of classic games like Super Mario World and Pokemon Puzzle League, there will be other value there. Again, though, I'm waiting on Nintendo to prove that they've got the muscle to really push this, and not just have it be another idea that goes too long without serious support.

 

[Mama Smurf]

6 pages of nothing. This is extreme even for us.

You're damn right. 50 posts per page pussies

Spoiler

56kers excused

 

[Tony HoTT]

Saturo Itawa hasn't mentioned the 3d glasses yet. I think more RAMs will be held in the glasses so don't freak out guys!

 

[monkeyrun]

Saturo Itawa hasn't mentioned the 3d glasses yet. I think more RAMs will be held in the glasses so don't freak out guys!

I think more RAM will be in the Hologram Processing Unit !!!!!11!!!

 

[ocelittle]

Saturo Itawa hasn't mentioned the 3d glasses yet. I think more RAMs will be held in the glasses so don't freak out guys!

I believe this news!

 

[Sunski]

Wasn't it already announced though that the controllers each have their very own CPU? It wirelessly interacts with the onboard CPU for lower wattage. So with the reverse gyro and built in CPU, the controller really IS the key.

 

[SickBoy]

I mean like AB for Alberta. I don't mean like T4R-2CR, which is the one of her old house in Calgary.

But that's not a valid postal code (OMG M3wThr33 revealed!!! Break out the lynch mob!!)

As for this thread, Quel disappointment... just goes to show you how much GAF can talk about nothing. It's funny, but not like Seinfeld, more like "funny-disturbing."

 

[Doc Holliday]

I <3 GAF

Starcube!

Deadmeat's super thread

I eat Broom

And now this...

Now the question is should I get stay home and witness history in the making or go to my GF's house...decisions decisions

 

[ocelittle]

I mean like AB for Alberta. I don't mean like T4R-2CR, which is the one of her old house in Calgary.

Calgary FTW!

 

[Lufiaddict]

Saturo Itawa hasn't mentioned the 3d glasses yet. I think more RAMs will be held in the glasses so don't freak out guys!

They haven't revealed the "headband" either. The Rev will find all the extra memory it needs in your brain.

 

[monkeyrun]

Wasn't it already announced though that the controllers each have their very own CPU? It wirelessly interacts with the onboard CPU for lower wattage. So with the reverse gyro and built in CPU, the controller really IS the key.

I hear that the controllers could actually detect brain wave !!!