smart_brazileiro
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Same here. Was talking to a friend earlier and said that teh open world stuff doesn't look that much better than Spider-Man. I stand corrected. This is leagues ahead.
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The Matrix Awakens: An Unreal Engine 5 Experience is up for PS5 and Xbox X/S
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You have to go to one of the yellow icons on the map.
I think Spider-Man on PS5 actually looks better than this. The image quality is fucking awful in this demo, worst I've seen since I got my PS4 Pro like 5 years ago.
Shmunter
Member
Don’t even look at Watchdog Legion. Lol, smartphone game.
Yeah thanks.
If other people can't find it: there are some golden plates scattered around the map. Near the yellow icon in the upper right corner of the map there is one that allows to switch to night view.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I can't spot a difference between the xbox and ps5 outside of how each console looks on my tv at the same settings. There is some differences I feel the ps5 is more black crushed and I think the xbox version might have a slightly longer pause or stutter between camera cuts on the chase sequence.
Framerate on both seems to be around the same? Driving under a viaduct at speed tanks the framerate. Crashes etc make the framerate tank.
Framerate on both seems to be around the same? Driving under a viaduct at speed tanks the framerate. Crashes etc make the framerate tank.
3liteDragon
Member
Is this demo using UE5’s software compute shaders for triangle rasterization or is it using the consoles’ mesh/primitive shaders feature? We’re supposed to get a DF video & interview on this today, I hope that question’s asked.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Find yellow circles on the map. There are three. They all let you change it to night time
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I don’t think people realize that this is using hardware accelerated lumens which is the highest quality setting on PCs Valley off the Ancient demo.
Epic had said back then that the ps5 and xsx will target only 1080p when using rt accelerators. Medium quality lumens targets 1440p 30 fps. It is also using RT for reflections which is typically a 35% performance hit on the gpu compared to regular SSR reflections.
What im saying is that devs will stick to medium lumens and no RT reflections to get a stable framerate and high enough resolution. Especially in big open worlds. This is basically the peak of what’s possible next Gen. hell, you might even get 60 fps modes at this 1080p resolution and medium lumens Lighting we saw in the first two UE5 demos.
I forsee three modes
1440p-1800p 30 fps non rt mode
1080p 60 fps non rt mode
1080p 30 fps rt mode
All i know if that the chase scene looked so real i thought i was playing a fmv. It wasn’t until my second play through did I recognize the streets and highways I had driven in the open world section. They are able to really push the lighting quality and LODs when they have you locked in a an onrails section. Its like how NDs cutscenes look way better than their gameplay models, only this time epic can push cutscene quality models and lighting during linear gameplay.
Epic had said back then that the ps5 and xsx will target only 1080p when using rt accelerators. Medium quality lumens targets 1440p 30 fps. It is also using RT for reflections which is typically a 35% performance hit on the gpu compared to regular SSR reflections.
What im saying is that devs will stick to medium lumens and no RT reflections to get a stable framerate and high enough resolution. Especially in big open worlds. This is basically the peak of what’s possible next Gen. hell, you might even get 60 fps modes at this 1080p resolution and medium lumens Lighting we saw in the first two UE5 demos.
I forsee three modes
1440p-1800p 30 fps non rt mode
1080p 60 fps non rt mode
1080p 30 fps rt mode
All i know if that the chase scene looked so real i thought i was playing a fmv. It wasn’t until my second play through did I recognize the streets and highways I had driven in the open world section. They are able to really push the lighting quality and LODs when they have you locked in a an onrails section. Its like how NDs cutscenes look way better than their gameplay models, only this time epic can push cutscene quality models and lighting during linear gameplay.
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Lethal01
Member
This was answered last year, it uses both and switches depending on the size of the triangles.
No need to wait many years, engines improve every year.
I didn't say I have no Idea, I said I don't remember the specific numbers and because few people actually care to find out it's not something that's easy to find again on a whim despite not being a secret.
The devs had already said there were significant improvements from the first demo to the valley of the ancients demo. and that was before they started using hardware acceleration to speed things up.
For the rest of it, they have already said they have tons of CPU overhead that would be enough for most modern games. they already have tons of cars and people on screen, they aren't going to suddenly fall apart because you need to fight some npcs. Assuming combat, it's unlikely to be more taxing than driving into cars already is.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I love creating traffic jams in this game lol gotta love those next Gen CPUs.
HoofHearted
Member
Lol same… last night I was just screwing around on the highway and then realized I had created a traffic jam. Just sat there and watched the traffic build up to see how the engine could handle more cars… ended up with a mile plus long jam with at least 1000+ cars. Pretty wild…
Darius87
Member
lumen had hardware and software RT from the start first example was "land of nanite" demo on PS5 lumen was RT HW accelerated back then.
Sander Cohen
Member
Now Rockstar is in trouble because if GTA6 looks any worse than this, it’s not gonna be acceptable.
ethomaz
Banned
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GTA games were never praised for graphics.
They were actually on average in that point.
It is different from RDR for example where they focus more in graphics.
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Sander Cohen
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You’re not wrong but I’m sure I won’t be only one comparing next GTA to this. Because why wouldn’t I? This is new gold standard.
Same, lol.
I caused one by mistake, then caused another one trying to clear the first one.
And it had an impact driving around, part of the highway was very clear, empty...because of the traffic jams.
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
You just made CDPR cry.
Yup, first thing anyone should do is turn off the filter.
I just set everything else to 25%. Or traffic to zero to see how fast I can drive on the freeway.
There are some ramps you can jump off too. Nothing big or major, just the trailers used to transport cars. Its basically a ramp park near the bottom of the map.
nikolino840
Member
I don't know..the first part seems better....
The walking animation is...i don't know..maybe because wasn't that the important part of the tech demo..
The walking animation is...i don't know..maybe because wasn't that the important part of the tech demo..
Shmunter
Member
I actually wonder if it’s reused animation from the original lumen in naniteland demo
nikolino840
Member
Who knows...but i'm playing lost judgment and walking and running in Ijincho feels better (yeah i know that is a finished games)
but textures and buildings and lights are amazing tho
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Unbelievable
ReBurn
Gold Member
Trinity felt a little uncanny valley to me throughout. Especially the "unreal" pun.
Romulus
Member
Just to be clear, you originally said in one year GI had seen huge advances. I asked you to prove it and crickets. I never made any claims either way.
So you're taking the word of an engine developer trying to sell their engine that theres enough cpu overheard? Ok, for what? Maybe they should simply have a stable fps first if that's the case. They spent all this time and money on art, why not performance if its so easy?
You honestly think combat, bullets, smoke, and explosions is something that can be added with little affect to performance? Lol. Even cars in the demo are bare bones outside of the damage model. They don't catch fire, no head beams at night, even the water surrounding the city is straight out of a PS3 game.
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Interfectum
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Played the demo, looks great but that frame rate…. 
It's coming. Epic is releasing the entire project, code and assets and all for free soon
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I'm disappointed that we still don't have a "playable" version of the first UE5 demo. Do something, Epic!
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I did notice some SSR on objects though where if I turned the camera I would see it pop in on the building glass, so I don’t think it’s completely RT in the reflections. Environmental, maybe, but some objects like cars seemed to pop in. Not all of them did, but select ones seemed to.
Could also be a “glitch in the matrix”
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DeepEnigma
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I’m pretty sure they didn’t spend any budget on mocap and that’s why it looks like a basic open source animation. The purpose was to show the world and the tech off, character models and rigs are for the artistry of the game developers.
When it’s in developers hands, that’s when it will shine.
Esppiral
Member
I don't think the original actors want their avatars sodomized over the internet.
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well maybe not those assets, but the city assets. In the DF video they said during their time talking to Epic they mentioned it's going to all be publicly available for use.
Lethal01
Member
Don't think you asked me to prove it. you asked how much it's improved and I didn't go quiet, I said I didn't have an exact number but it's substantial, atleast 10% just going by what I remember from testing out an older version vs a newer one. And again we know that RT is now hardware accelerated, it goes without saying that it's faster.
This is not some mysterious engine that you can't touch, this had been available in early access for ages, it's easy to see how much heavier it is on GPU than CPU. Why did they focus on graphics and not performance? Because devs are already aware you could improve it with optimization, it's far more important to show just how good it can look and that it's possible to put a product out with it. Proving that you can have raytraced GI,Shadows and reflections in a city of this quality is important, A dev isn't going to worry about a tech demo dipping to 24fps when all that is happening they understand that fixing these things are small in comparison to getting the graphics to this level.
I've got no reason to doubt them when they say there is tons of CPU headroom, A lie about that would only hurt them since this is coming to pc soon enough and we have already seen how it works for ourselves.
This isn't some game company desperate to make their day one sales as high as possible.
I know for certain that combat in many games is extremely cheap compared to the graphics and crowd simulation of this. Not saying that it works with absolutely anything. but, most games don't require more than what you saw in the shooting segment. If you aren't making something like the zombie system in days gone combat is usually very cheap on the CPU, Demons souls ran on ps3, a little headroom is often all you need.
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Lethal01
Member
No, it was stated several times that it wasn't using hardware acceleration
Romulus
Member
You made the claim and went quiet. It's substantial. Ok. How substantial and how do we know this will translate to better performance like GI? If you're claiming 10% that's really not getting us out of the slideshow fps here. You're essentially taking the word of developers that's there's "tons" of headroom but if that were the case it would be a stable 30fps or even higher. None of it makes any sense.
No one is arguing they can't make improvements and everything is frozen lol not my point at all. My point is there is way too much to add.
Lethal01
Member
I made the claim then answered right away. there was no attempt to avoid answering or hesitation. You said "you can't just suddenly make all those reflections etc less taxing." and I pointed out that you can and you already have. You could have made the same claim about the last demo and this demo would have proven you to be extremely wrong. Improvements are very expected from software that isn't even out yet. What part of that is "going quiet"? the first thing i said was I don't have an exact number since I'm not personally a part of the team working on it.
They said there was tons of CPU headroom. as in for calculations like AI, Bullet trajectories things like that which are important in gameplay. The lighting and reflections are not what's making the game dip.
The bottleneck is the GPU. Having tons of CPU headroom means they can add a bunch of GAMEPLAY related calculation without affecting performance, so putting in a combat system that would not be heavy on the CPU is not a concern.
They said (and we see) that most of the performance issues are coming from the way they switch Nanite cars out with non-nantie cars and some issues with world streaming. These are issues we can see clearly and exactly the type of issues that usually get fixed by the end of development. Basically, they are closer to bugs than a sign of this being ridiculously demanding and ready to fall apart if anything new was added.
But hey, maybe out of the thousand of issues like this that usually get fixed during the course of development these ones just happen to be totally unfixable but it would be silly to assume that.
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Romulus
Member
You made the claim that GI made huge strides in a year then said you didn't know the timeline or the actual gain. I mean we're literally havng this conversation based on that claim. What's the actual data? You never addressed it specifically after using it as an argument. "I think." You don't want to spend the time backing up your claim with facts yet you spend the time posting over and over about it. And do you really think they're going to release a demo and say they tried optimizing it further but couldn't get a stable fps? That's not great business lol
So if we're going off technology making incredible performance gains, what is it? What is the timeline? Because this would definitely need it.
And what do you foresee? This exact level of detail/resolution + combat etc AND a much higher fps?
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Lethal01
Member
We are having this convo based on your claim that "you can't just suddenly make all those reflections etc less taxing." when this was proven false.
The data is that Lumen is now using hardware accelerated RT, the fact is that Lumen is now using hardware accelerated RT. Whether it's 50% faster or 10% I couldn't say, but it's definitely faster, either are a lot"you can't just suddenly make all those reflections etc less taxing." false. But a lot of your reasoning is that "the devs are just lying" so forget about it. I'm sure they are lying everytime they say that they've made lumen more performant.
Their hardware RT now support about 10x more instances than it did at the release of EA
Yes, they do it all the time. People who aren't gamers are aware what tech demos are
Sure, this at locked 30fps plus combat sounds right.
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Md Ray
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It's the benefits of AMD Smart Shift!!
kyliethicc
Member
The Matrix Awakens: An Unreal Engine 5 Experience hits PS5 today
Epic Games details how the UE5 tech demo reaches new heights in photorealism.
blog.playstation.com