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The Needle Drop pioneered music reviews. His other channel was for the alt-rights

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I'm not a moderate or "both sides"-er.
The whole board is /pol/

Are you arguing that they say n***** but don't actually mean it?
No, and I recognize the harm in using slurs like that (see my post on casual racism a few pages back).
I'm saying thats not all there is to the board, and that labeling Fantano as alt-right based on /mu/ based memes when it's not really a hotbed of alt-right politics, only works to an extent.
Especially when that sort of meme culture extends to places like leftbook as well, without the unsavory bits.
 
Was 4chan always a cesspit for alt righters? I remember visiting it in middle school for porn...not Nazi shit wtf.

It went from ironic defense in the beginning to unironic defense now. Which you know...kinda makes all the "it's just satire!" cries stand out as even more sinister itt
 
Was 4chan always a cesspit for alt righters? I remember visiting it in middle school for porn...not Nazi shit wtf.

Yes.

And a general refusal to see it as such is why so much if what is happening now was allowed to happen.


We have a whole generation of people who grew up on 4chan...
 
The site is literally a hotbed of white supremacy.

When you say the board is left-leaning people are going to assume you mean relative to the world or the country, not relative to a bunch of Nazis.

You understand 4chan is not representative, right?
I don't support the site, nor do I use it.
I'm a minority, I used the site to experience the "edgy" aspects of the web while in the 9th grade, but I never got into the slurs usage of rightwing politics since I've always been leftist even before I knew what that was.
During the tail end of my career there after leaving /a/ and /tv/ because they were trash, I found /mu/ and noticed it had a markedly different culture, and made it my home for awhile before leaving all together.

I'm not trying to defend the site, I'm just trying to argue that from my experience board leans left or at least has a left populace.

I should probably reevaluate the benefit of even trying to make that distinction though.
 

Oscar

Member
What in the world, I recall seeing a black gf of his in a few vids.

Would have never assumed he was alt-right based on that + his rap music tastes.
 

Sou Da

Member
I don't support the site, nor do I use it.
I'm a minority, I used the site to experience the "edgy" aspects of the web while in the 9th grade, but I never got into the slurs usage of rightwing politics since I've always been leftist even before I knew what that was.
During the tail end of my career there after leaving /a/ and /tv/ because they were trash, I found /mu/ and noticed it had a markedly different culture, and made it my home for awhile before leaving all together.

I'm not trying to defend the site, I'm just trying to argue that from my experience board leans left or at least has a left populace.

I should probably reevaluate the benefit of even trying to make that distinction though.

Was it the pedophiles?
 
Was it the pedophiles?
Didn't notice that, it was the constant racism in any and all threads when all I wanted to do what look at breaking bad/bcs/star wars threads or whatever.
It's pretty much mini-/pol/ and I don't know how it turned out that way.
 

Sou Da

Member
Didn't notice that, it was the constant racism in any and all threads when all I wanted to do what look at breaking bad/bcs/star wars threads or whatever.
It's pretty much mini-/pol/ and I don't know how it turned out that way.

Again, astro-turfing.
 
It's a shame idiots like this guy prosper while plenty of fantastic music journalists struggle. Now he's some alt right piece of shit? Fucks sake people read some real writing about music
 

Seesaw15

Member
You can be a bigot for pay or passion. Either way you ain't shit to me.
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It's a shame idiots like this guy prosper while plenty of fantastic music journalists struggle. Now he's some alt right piece of shit? Fucks sake people read some real writing about music
Do you support the article blatantly lying and misrepresenting things like his videos on Xxxtentacion and J Cole?
Is this an example of the legit journalist who should be in Fantano's place?
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
yeah they linked one video in the article and if this is supposed to be bad, then yeah 100% innocent lol

https://web.archive.org/web/2017071...tube.com/watch?v=f2wj1SYp7WQ&feature=youtu.be

This whole article is a big'o pile of dookie.

Seriously, watch that video and then read their comment about it.

“XXXTentacion is the greatest rapper” — which you can watch in the archives of the Wayback Machine — offers more of the same. Again Fantano does the cord-around-the-neck shtick and mumbles nonsense in his comedic version of the rapper, only this time he’s also given himself a mockery of XXXTentacion’s face tattoos. This video came out in May of 2017, so while the most recent allegations against XXX were not yet widely reported, it was already common knowledge that X’s ex-girlfriend had accused him of assault.
Fantano addresses the situation in a strange way. ”Free X, Free X, free him now, I don’t care how, I don’t care how, I don’t really care what he’s not free for,” he chants, before looking at his phone. ”It turns out X is already free,” he announces, then sings, “Let freedom ring, let freedom ring.” Then he looks at his phone again: “There’s all these people in the comments talking about it. Not good things… He didn’t beat her… he didn’t...”

In the video he is making fan of the idiots in the comments who are saying he didn't beat her but in the article they make it seem like he's the one who is saying it.

The XXXTentacion video has 631,000 views and the Hopsin video has 397,000 — Fantano earned enough from these two half-baked parodies of troubled black men to buy himself an all-inclusive weekend at a Sandals resort.

So it's wrong to make a video making fan of XXXTentacion and his fans for some reason? And XXXTentacion, the guy who beat his girfriend and threaten to kill her, is "troubled"?
 

Aomber

Member
I can't say firmly what his views are, but the part for me that is a problem is the people he is associating with. It's really simple, if you collaborate with people on a public entertainment medium making such extreme comments in the actual videos you're collaborating on, not standing up against it, you're essentially supporting those kind of comments and behavior. If you are against that, you don't associate with it.

Unsubscribed.
 

jaypah

Member
I've never seen the second account. Only TND (which I wasn't a fan of). What's this about him having the word nigger (or nigga) in memes on the videos?
 
This whole article is a big'o pile of dookie.

Seriously, watch that video and then read their comment about it.



In the video he is making fan of the idiots in the comments who are saying he didn't beat her but in the article they make it seem like he's the one who is saying it.



So it's wrong to make a video making fan of XXXTentacion and his fans for some reason? And XXXTentacion, the guy who beat his girfriend and threaten to kill her, is "troubled"?
Not to mention these serious videos on X:
https://youtu.be/ukDu91ZEA98
https://youtu.be/tdffAxHtrRY
Or how how handled asap bari:
https://youtu.be/29aRrrBolJ4
https://youtu.be/6_lUTYVqkq8
I've never seen the second account. Only TND (which I wasn't a fan of). What's this about him having the word nigger (or nigga) in memes on the videos?
He has an entire video explaining why he doesn't use the n-word/why it's inappropriate, though he should have went harder on Pewdiepie.
https://youtu.be/1cZuqfX5Z_g
 
I'm gonna try and help Bounce out here.

What I believe he's trying to say is, there was a point in time when /mu/ wasn't an awful board to be on, where legit music discussion and suggestions of obscure music were a daily thing. Yes, it still had the people calling one another vile slurs, but the general vibe of the board then was one which helped genuine music fans find new music from artists that would never have gotten exposure in today's system, like Tuareg guitar music, forgotten jazz artists, obscure electronic releases, and more. By virtue of it being largely free from talks about cucks, crude racism, and vile slurs, it is a "relatively liberal" place that never really talked about the politics of music.

This point in time was also when Fantano's popularity boomed and a majority of /mu/ got on board with him. However, after that point, the demographics began to change and the board became less about music and more about memes and bemoaning SJWs ruining music. See: the CHVRCHES incident and the increase in shitposting. I used to subscribe to Fantano during this time and I could see the change in content that arose from this new /mu/ fanbase. I unsubbed after the Trigglypuff video on thatistheplan because that's when I saw the side channel as Anthony pandering to his 4chan base. He was doing these meme reviews because his base was demanding he do them.

The point I'm trying to make is, Anthony probably doesn't believe that Jews are responsible for all the world's problems. He probably doesn't think that all black people should die. He doesn't believe that white people are intrinsically superior because of their skin. That means he isn't a Nazi. His videos on his regular site indicate he probably sees music through a more liberal lens.

However, he is complicit in playing along with what his fanbase wanted. When you toss aside the videos where he plays into the hip-hop memes of shitting on J. Cole and shitting on teens who worships XXX, he is still responsible in pushing the words of Sargon and Sam Hyde to his followers while doing nothing to call them out on their shit. He's responsible for helping normalize of some of the alt-right's ideas by feeding into their bullshit about SJWs & feminists ruining things. At best, he's a moron who doesn't understand how much power he holds and is deleting the channel to rectify that. At worst, he's an idiot that tried to capitalize on & monetize his 4chan popularity by feeding them the same shit on SJWs, feminists, and memes and is now trying to backtrack on his shitposts.

Either way, the man isn't a Nazi, he's just a complicit dolt.
 

Kaizer

Banned
This whole article is a big'o pile of dookie.

Seriously, watch that video and then read their comment about it.



In the video he is making fan of the idiots in the comments who are saying he didn't beat her but in the article they make it seem like he's the one who is saying it.



So it's wrong to make a video making fan of XXXTentacion and his fans for some reason? And XXXTentacion, the guy who beat his girfriend and threaten to kill her, is "troubled"?

The problem is that whether he intended the video to be a joke or making fun of XXX's fanbase, it ends up reaching the wrong segment of people & just feeds into the negative cycle. This might be a little out there, but I feel it's similar to why Dave Chapelle left The Chapelle Show. He could no longer tell if people were laughing at his material because they understood the absurdity of the racial situations or if they were just laughing at black people/culture in general.

In Fantano's case, it's clear as day to see from any of the comments from these videos that alot of the people watching this shit actually are lapping it up, agree with the opinions & love having another vocal mouthpiece for their views. And it doesn't help that he's associated with those harboring less than desirable views. Whatever his true intentions may be, shit looks shady as hell.


This only makes matters worse imo, as you would think that someone who posts videos like this would be smart enough to not create content that will end up actually pandering & being enjoyed by those who actually believe the "satire".
 
yeah they linked one video in the article and if this is supposed to be bad, then yeah 100% innocent lol

https://web.archive.org/web/2017071...tube.com/watch?v=f2wj1SYp7WQ&feature=youtu.be

I bet the writer also thinks Starship Troopers is a legit fascist propaganda film.

The problem is that whether he intended the video to be a joke or making fun of XXX's fanbase, it ends up reaching the wrong segment of people & just feeds into the negative cycle. This might be a little out there, but I feel it's similar to why Dave Chapelle left The Chapelle Show. He could no longer tell if people were laughing at his material because they understood the absurdity of the racial situations or if they were just laughing at black people/culture in general.

In Fantano's case, it's clear as day to see from any of the comments from these videos that alot of the people watching this shit actually are lapping it up, agree with the opinions & love having another vocal mouthpiece for their views. And it doesn't help that he's associated with those harboring less than desirable views. Whatever his true intentions may be, shit looks shady as hell.



This only makes matters worse imo, as you would think that someone who posts videos like this would be smart enough to not create content that will end up actually pandering & being enjoyed by those who actually believe the "satire".

The idiots are being made fun of and they don't even realize it.
 
I'm gonna try and help Bounce out here.

What I believe he's trying to say is, there was a point in time when /mu/ wasn't an awful board to be on, where legit music discussion and suggestions of obscure music were a daily thing. Yes, it still had the people calling one another vile slurs, but the general vibe of the board then was one which helped genuine music fans find new music from artists that would never have gotten exposure in today's system, like Tuareg guitar music, forgotten jazz artists, obscure electronic releases, and more. By virtue of it being largely free from talks about cucks, crude racism, and vile slurs, it is a "relatively liberal" place that never really talked about the politics of music.

This point in time was also when Fantano's popularity boomed and a majority of /mu/ got on board with him. However, after that point, the demographics began to change and the board became less about music and more about memes and bemoaning SJWs ruining music. See: the CHVRCHES incident and the increase in shitposting. I used to subscribe to Fantano during this time and I could see the change in content that arose from this new /mu/ fanbase. I unsubbed after the Trigglypuff video on thatistheplan because that's when I saw the side channel as Anthony pandering to his 4chan base. He was doing these meme reviews because his base was demanding he do them.

The point I'm trying to make is, Anthony probably doesn't believe that Jews are responsible for all the world's problems. He probably doesn't think that all black people should die. He doesn't believe that white people are intrinsically superior because of their skin. That means he isn't a Nazi. His videos on his regular site indicate he probably sees music through a more liberal lens.

However, he is complicit in playing along with what his fanbase wanted. When you toss aside the videos where he plays into the hip-hop memes of shitting on J. Cole and shitting on teens who worships XXX, he is still responsible in pushing the words of Sargon and Sam Hyde to his followers while doing nothing to call them out on their shit. He's responsible for helping normalize of some of the alt-right's ideas by feeding into their bullshit about SJWs & feminists ruining things. At best, he's a moron who doesn't understand how much power he holds and is deleting the channel to rectify that. At worst, he's an idiot that tried to capitalize on & monetize his 4chan popularity by feeding them the same shit on SJWs, feminists, and memes and is now trying to backtrack on his shitposts.

Either way, the man isn't a Nazi, he's just a complicit dolt.
TY, you described this far better than I ever could.
Though I'd argue that the sort of meme culture he perpetuated is present amongst the left as well, its general young behavior between what I've seen in my circle/many Facebook communities.
I was under the impression that some of his videos from the 2nd account had memes with the n-word in them. Is this not the case?
I'm not well versed on his meme channel, but there probably is second hand niggas or niBBas in a few memes, no hard r's though, an he has never spoke nigga or any variation of it in any single video.
His comment section is full of people who think using that is hilarious though, which is an issue.
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
The problem is that whether he intended the video to be a joke or making fun of XXX's fanbase, it ends up reaching the wrong segment of people & just feeds into the negative cycle. This might be a little out there, but I feel it's similar to why Dave Chapelle left The Chapelle Show. He could no longer tell if people were laughing at his material because they understood the absurdity of the racial situations or if they were just laughing at black people/culture in general.

In Fantano's case, it's clear as day to see from any of the comments from these videos that alot of the people watching this shit actually are lapping it up, agree with the opinions & love having another vocal mouthpiece for their views. And it doesn't help that he's associated with those harboring less than desirable views. Whatever his true intentions may be, shit looks shady as hell.

This only makes matters worse imo, as you would think that someone who posts videos like this would be smart enough to not create content that will end up actually pandering & being enjoyed by those who actually believe the "satire".

But that video is him just making fun of a really awful human being and those who worship him, like, I have no idea how this is shady. Dude is making fun of this guy. Is the implication that his racist fan base will like this video, not because he is making fun of a guy who beat his girlfriend and the shitty people who excuse his behavior, but just because he is making fun of a black person?

Torre_avenue's post is a much better critic of Fantano, those reasons are the same ones that made me stop watching H3H3. I think we can find faults with some of his content and the people which it might attract, without going nuclear and declaring him a nazi.

[edit]

Also, lol @ calling Hopsin troubled as well. Hopsin has been a joke for years because he caters to 14 year old /r/atheists kids, which Fantano makes fun of, but this article paints it as him making fun of a troubled black man. No idea what Hopsin's troubles are aside from being super cringy.
 
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Please note the phrase "wasn't an awful board." That still implies it was bad. I was 15 when I browsed it and even then, I only used it to find music recommendations. I'm not saying it was the best music site on the Internet, only that its problems were easily ignorable when you're 15.
 

Gattsu25

Banned
Was 4chan always a cesspit for alt righters? I remember visiting it in middle school for porn...not Nazi shit wtf.
As someone with a low tolerance for racism I've never felt welcome there.

It was a breeding ground for racists back when the 'powerlevel over 9000' meme was new
 

pigeon

Banned
Please note the phrase "wasn't an awful board." That still implies it was bad. I was 15 when I browsed it and even then, I only used it to find music recommendations. I'm not saying it was the best music site on the Internet, only that its problems were easily ignorable when you're 15.

15 and white and male.

Please don't take that as judgement -- I don't mean it that way. I just think it's worth recognizing that distinction.
 
15 and brown and male.

Please don't take that as judgement -- I don't mean it that way. I just think it's worth recognizing that distinction.
Fixed that for you.

You're right, being 15 and male and brown made it easy for me to ignore horrible shit being said because I wasn't the target of it. My view of 4chan is completely skewed by the fact I am not a woman nor am I African-American nor am I homosexual. I stopped visiting 4chan when I was 17 because I remember going on it and just feeling disgusted at the sheer amount of hate being expressed for people these kids couldn't even know. It was just a bunch of suburban kids being racist and sexist for shits & giggles.
 

EVOL 100%

Member
I never liked his reviews because he never really said anything profound about the music itself, but our tastes in music wete pretty similar, so I just listened to the shit he recommended without watching the videos.

Looks like that's over though, smfh

As for 4chan, I used to visit that place a lot when I was a 15 year old (Korean, male if that matters) but at a certain point it started to become even more of a racist LGBT phobic shitstain. I'm not sure if that was a case of me being able to notice shit more, or if things were really getting worse though.
 
15 and white and male.

Please don't take that as judgement -- I don't mean it that way. I just think it's worth recognizing that distinction.
15 and black.
I think that it's plenty easy for young people of color to willfully ignore blatant racism around them, whether that's from friends or online communities.
If you're black or any marginalized group, online, and into "alternative" things, all roads will eventually lead you towards something with racism, sexism, etc etc.
And while you're young you can ignore it, rationalise it, or join in on it, for awhile, eventually it'll wear on you, which is when you break away and form or stronger/solid racial or whatever identity.
 
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