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The Needle Drop pioneered music reviews. His other channel was for the alt-rights

wasn't a fan of the meme direction of thatistheplan, but i really fucking loved the Smash videos from a year or two ago, which are now sadly gone.

SHOW ME THE EDGEGUARDZ BRO
 

Juicy Bob

Member
I enjoy his music reviews and enjoyed the satirical stuff, but once he became this kind of meme icon he attracted a whole lot of flies that contaminate everything he does.

Once you go memes, you can't go back, it seems.
 

Vectorman

Banned
Honestly the most hilarious part of Anthony was him whining about how his reviews are not on Wikipedia because he feels like new music bloggers and music publications owe him something. Like petty as hell.
 

jaypah

Member
I'm not well versed on his meme channel, but there probably is second hand niggas or niBBas in a few memes, no hard r's though, an he has never spoke nigga or any variation of it in any single video.
His comment section is full of people who think using that is hilarious though, which is an issue.

Thanks for the answer. Coupled with the company he decides to mingle with I can't fuck with it. No big loss because as I said earlier I didn't really care for TND, but he seems to go in the opposite direction of decreasing the amount of open bigotry online. At best it's a both sides of the fence thing and.... Nah I'm good.
 


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I think we are completely done here, but keep dying on that hill it just makes it obvious who you are and what you stand for and the agenda you are pushing.
 

JKM78613

Neo Member
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I think we are completely done here, but keep dying on that hill it just makes it obvious who you are and what you stand for and the agenda you are pushing.

Wait, is this a "great taste" vs. "less filling" argument? I think you're both on the same side here...
 
So I have watched some of his reviews and vlogs in the past, knew about his other channel and watched a few of the videos there, but I never knew about the collabs he did with garbage people.

He's not alt-right, he has too many progressive views to objectively qualify for that title, such as single-payer health care, livable wage, and helping workers unionize. He 100% panders to that meme culture though, satire or not. If that ruins him in your eyes it's completely fair IMO. I think to some degree the "meme shit" can be enjoyable, but he absolutely took it too far.

It's really the collabs that doom him here, there's no way to defend any of that. I'm gonna watch his response video but after that I'm almost certainly going to unsubscribe.

It really shows the huge dangers of YouTube culture though that he has done all this shit and the majority of his fans won't care, if anything his career will take a nice bump from the alt-right.


I made it a minute in, what the fuck is this shit.

It really says a lot when those cowards won't even show their faces though.
 

Arctick

Member
Agree with TWrecks for the most part, but will stay subbed. For sure collabs with shady dickheads, but Fantano is by all means a progressive liberal. I took most of his TITP vids as satire against the alt-right, but also calling out liberals for their hypocrisy and pearl-clutching aswell.

That TJ Kirk vid is pretty disgusting, but just taking Fantano's parts all he really says is take a step out of your comfort zone, albeit in his dumb edgelord persona. Time won't be kind towards the company he makes on youtube, though I'd imagine a lot of the time they end up coming to him for more exposure to liberals.

But man this thread is exactly what Bill Maher has been repeating for ages, where liberal ppl gang up on other liberals that aren't down for the cause the exact same way they are.

I don't want to say this Fader article is a total hit-piece, it raises some good points. Fantano really needs to think before he posts a lot of this shit. Then again, Fader only tried to reach him like less than a day before they post the article. Sounds pretty unfair to me. Writer may have jumped the gun with publishing his opinion piece.

I might get shredded, but I honestly wasn't watching much of his TITP vids. I think they were designed to get people to think but ended up being really shitty in retrospect and not worth the risk. I'd probs hold off until i see his response vid. No way he goes down the same road as someone as inherently shitty as PDP.
 

Aselith

Member
Agree with TWrecks for the most part, but will stay subbed. For sure collabs with shady dickheads, but Fantano is by all means a progressive liberal. I took most of his TITP vids as satire against the alt-right, but also calling out liberals for their hypocrisy and pearl-clutching aswell.

That TJ Kirk vid is pretty disgusting, but just taking Fantano's parts all he really says is take a step out of your comfort zone, albeit in his dumb edgelord persona. Time won't be kind towards the company he makes on youtube, though I'd imagine a lot of the time they end up coming to him for more exposure to liberals.

But man this thread is exactly what Bill Maher has been repeating for ages, where liberal ppl gang up on other liberals that aren't down for the cause the exact same way they are.

I don't want to say this Fader article is a total hit-piece, it raises some good points. Fantano really needs to think before he posts a lot of this shit. Then again, Fader only tried to reach him like less than a day before they post the article. Sounds pretty unfair to me. Writer may have jumped the gun with publishing his opinion piece.

I might get shredded, but I honestly wasn't watching much of his TITP vids. I think they were designed to get people to think but ended up being really shitty in retrospect and not worth the risk. I'd probs hold off until i see his response vid. No way he goes down the same road as someone as inherently shitty as PDP.

Satire doesn't just repost the talking points of the group being satirized. What is an example of something satirical in what he says?
 

Arctick

Member
Satire doesn't just repost the talking points of the group being satirized. What is an example of something satirical in what he says?

Don't want to make this a cherry-picking war. I think the satire was pretty self-evident in almost everything he did on that channel and never felt he directly repost talking points of the alt-right. More of an anti-SJW slant, though not nearly as harsh. I took a lot of it within the context of him calling out douchbags like Paul Joseph Watson on his main channel.
 

Alucrid

Banned
Agree with TWrecks for the most part, but will stay subbed. For sure collabs with shady dickheads, but Fantano is by all means a progressive liberal. I took most of his TITP vids as satire against the alt-right, but also calling out liberals for their hypocrisy and pearl-clutching aswell.

That TJ Kirk vid is pretty disgusting, but just taking Fantano's parts all he really says is take a step out of your comfort zone, albeit in his dumb edgelord persona. Time won't be kind towards the company he makes on youtube, though I'd imagine a lot of the time they end up coming to him for more exposure to liberals.

But man this thread is exactly what Bill Maher has been repeating for ages, where liberal ppl gang up on other liberals that aren't down for the cause the exact same way they are.

I don't want to say this Fader article is a total hit-piece, it raises some good points. Fantano really needs to think before he posts a lot of this shit. Then again, Fader only tried to reach him like less than a day before they post the article. Sounds pretty unfair to me. Writer may have jumped the gun with publishing his opinion piece.

I might get shredded, but I honestly wasn't watching much of his TITP vids. I think they were designed to get people to think but ended up being really shitty in retrospect and not worth the risk. I'd probs hold off until i see his response vid. No way he goes down the same road as someone as inherently shitty as PDP.

i mean, what cause? not associating with, as you watered down, "shady dickheads"?
 
Found this post on Reddit, pretty good and defines what separates Fantano from people like H3H3:

"Keep in mind, I am very well aligned with "leftist" view points and the like. And also keep in mind that I have never supported Fantano for giving Sam Hyde and Sargon platforms to spew their bullshit.
That said however, I think both you and this article's writer has taken the channel at face value on purpose. Because looking at the surface level appearance (or looking too deep into it, if the analysis of his "greatest rappers" videos are anything to go off of) of the channel, it is just very edgy humor. However, actually looking at the videos with the consideration of Fantano's vocal views on his other channels in mind, it's pretty clear that this channel was a clear cut case of satire, and not some attempt to cultivate an "alt right" audience nor borrowing edgy humor just for the sake of it such as the one the article suggests.
As the article admits, the channel exists in a bubble far removed from Fantano's critical thinkpieces and his music reviews, one that is filled with the 4chan edgelords that boosted his popularity back in 2012 (the kind who could actually claim irony and jest, and not the alt right heavy ones of today) and with viewers who have stumbled across it by accident while watching regular Needle Drop content. Its a channel and fanbase that is drenched in so many layers of irony that there isn't room for "alt right" figures to move in and push talking points because there isn't any actual reactionary hate towards the leftist and SJW crowds like you'd expect from an H3H3 video - where such an audience now exists because Ethan failed to make his videos different from actual alt-right speakers and thus impressionable kids took on the same hatred towards the notion of progress in cases where you shouldn't be expressing hate.
This article also seems to prop up an individual like X, who is without a shadow of a doubt a piece of shit who used his music as a way to prop up a narrative of being misunderstood and depressed to get cut slack for the horrible shit he did to his ex (a point brought up better by Eric Andre on Twitter), as a victim being bullied for his mental problems (as valid or invalid as they may be to his criminal situation) when in reality Fantano was clearly making jest of his fans who have and are still defending his actions to this day now that we know the extent of X's domestic crimes. It's a dishonest character assassination that can't tell the difference between actual alt right presence (hey did you know they actually hate Fantano, because he made a 20 minute video about why Paul Joseph Watson is a piece of shit) and people buying into edgy humor, regardless of how shitty and problematic it is. That said humor is so self contained in this bubble that to claim that an alt right audience has been grown and that Fantano is doing is on purpose is wrong and idiotic. This is an article that assumes if you aren't to the most extreme left of the political compass, then you are clearly just alt right and hate SJWs.
It's only valid talking points are his affiliation with Sam Hyde and and Sargon - because he was absolutely in the wrong to give them a platform and his views that their removal from sites like Twitter is a big problem is also a slippery slope that eventually grows into alt right ideas. Everything else is stupid as fuck, incorrect, and a very off colored attempt to paint Fantano as a bad guy when he's got more of a spine politically and socially than a lot of writers on other music sites."

Now to sleep, gn.

Edit: also, not sure how he feels now, and associating with Sam Hyde is bad in general, but the podcast was like over a year before Sam Hyde donated to daily stormer, and he always clarified his ideological differences with Hyde (still terrible)
 

Cartman86

Banned
Weird. I heard something about this a few weeks back and was curious what it was. I had seen his personal videos that are on a different channel where he very much gets political. Showing a clearly socialist bent. Talking about prison reform, the military industrial complex, giving his reasons for not saying the n-word etc. I don't get it. I know leftists can be just as shitty as the right, but is he just creating fake opinions for cover? Having just typed that I shouldn't be surprised. It's been happening a lot as of late. Assuming the context here is correct. I'll admit I watch off and on, so i'm not aware of the memes or whatever the hell his history is with his comments for example which based on a few videos i've seen are something relevant maybe?
 

Arctick

Member
i mean, what cause? not associating with, as you watered down, "shady dickheads"?

I honestly wasn't trying to 'water-down' anything bruh, I don't know much about the dudes he collabs with outside of Fantano's vids.

By 'cause' I mean he stands for progressive ideals, but everyone wants to kick him to the curb because he likes edgelord humour. I don't think its worth the effort man.
 

Alucrid

Banned
I honestly wasn't trying to 'water-down' anything bruh, I don't know much about the dudes he collabs with outside of Fantano's vids.

By 'cause' I mean he stands for progressive ideals, but everyone wants to kick him to the curb because he likes edgelord humour. I don't think its worth the effort man.

so you don't know anything about sargon of akkad or sam hyde yet think we're all being unfair and overly critical?

This is a problem with neogaf overall, and it's the exact same issue as a hard right internet forum.

Left leaning? Great!
You've said something slightly different than a very heavily left leaning opinion? Get the fuck out. You are now permanently on gafs shit list.

Now Fantano is now always going to be thought of a alt-right nazi on Gaf just because of the title of this thread, even though its hardly the truth.

oh great, here come the echo chamber complaints.
 

Arctick

Member
so you don't know anything about sargon of akkad or sam hyde yet think we're all being unfair and overly critical?



oh great, here come the echo chamber complaints.

Being unfair and overly critical of Fantano? Quite possibly yes.

We still don't know the extent of his relationships with these people. Giving someone a platform to voice their shitty views doesn't mean your advocating them yourself. I mean, its not a good situation, but that shit can happen. Its the internet
 

Merc_

Member
This is a problem with neogaf overall, and it's the exact same issue as a hard right internet forum.

You're left leaning? Great!
You've said something slightly different than a very heavily left leaning opinion? Get the fuck out. You are now permanently on gafs shit list.

Now Fantano is now always going to be thought of a alt-right nazi on Gaf just because of the title of this thread, even though its hardly the truth.

Hanging out with shitheads like Sargon and Sam Hyde is a bit more then having a slightly different opinion.
 

pigeon

Banned
You're seriously saying gaf isnt? Look man im super left leaning and very liberal, and even I can see it lol. It's not super bad but there is VERY rarely any sort of ultra right wing stuff on here from what I see. Every single thread like this is always left sided. From that perspective, gaf is an echo chamber.

Well, that's because being a Nazi is not appropriate behavior for civilized society.
 
This is a problem with neogaf overall, and it's the exact same issue as a hard right internet forum.

You're left leaning? Great!
You've said something slightly different than a very heavily left leaning opinion? Get the fuck out. You are now permanently on gafs shit list.

Now Fantano is now always going to be thought of a alt-right nazi on Gaf just because of the title of this thread, even though its hardly the truth.

I agree with you on some points, but I'd say what he did that is worthy of criticism is more significant than saying something "slightly different".
 

Alucrid

Banned
Being unfair and overly critical of Fantano? Quite possibly yes.

We still don't know the extent of his relationships with these people. Giving someone a platform to voice their shitty views doesn't mean your advocating them yourself. I mean, its not a good situation, but that shit can happen. Its the internet

whoops, i tripped and had a two hour podcast with sargon of akkad! well, you know how it is, it's the internet.

You're seriously saying gaf isnt? Look man im super left leaning and very liberal, and even I can see it lol. It's not super bad but there is VERY rarely any sort of ultra right wing stuff on here from what I see. Every single thread like this is always left sided. From that perspective, gaf is an echo chamber.

oh yeah that must be why the latest pewdiepie thread is completely clean and not full of bans
 
Right - and this is where a good discussion is about if what he's done was too far or not. No problem with this. My issue is the complete disregard of context & instant labelling of altright



uh doesn't this kinda prove my point?

This place seems super left because the rest of the internet is basically a toxic free for all.
 

Alucrid

Banned
Right - and this is where a good discussion is about if what he's done was too far or not. No problem with this. My issue is the complete disregard of context & instant labelling of altright



uh doesn't this kinda prove my point?



what? I've only used Fletch on neogaf. nice try for attempting to label me as a racist though? holy shit?

your point was that it's an echo chamber because ultra right wing sentiments don't exist here not because they do exist but often get banned for violating the TOS. but guess what? cleaning house then doesn't mean it won't happen again, because it will and it has. that's not to mention the fact that there's a several degrees of differing views between your liberal "echo chamber" and "ultra right wing" views.
 

Gluka

Member
You're seriously saying gaf isnt? Look man im super left leaning and very liberal, and even I can see it lol. It's not super bad but there is VERY rarely any sort of ultra right wing stuff on here from what I see. Every single thread like this is always left sided. From that perspective, gaf is an echo chamber.

Considering how often you go to bat for Youtubers acting like petulant racist shitheads, I somehow have a hard time believing this. Also, considering "ultra right wing stuff" is almost exclusively racism, homophobia and other assorted bigotry, can you honestly claim to be surprised that those views don't have much representation considering that they get you banned? It's not a love for the free market that keeps far righters off of NeoGAF.

whoops, i tripped and had a two hour podcast with sargon of akkad! well, you know how it is, it's the internet.

Yeah, that shit is about as convincing as /pol/ morons calling neo-nazis larpers or claims that Sam Hyde is some kind of avant-garde comedic genius.
 

Timedog

good credit (by proxy)
Yep. Found his other channel randomly when I was going down an alt-right/edgelord rabbit hole, I think when I was trying to find stuff by Gavin McInnes. Immediately unsubbed from his main channel.

Dude is a douchebag.
 

Arctick

Member
whoops, i tripped and had a two hour podcast with sargon of akkad! well, you know how it is, it's the internet.

Again, i had not heard of him outside of this thread. might give the podcast a listen. just jumping into it, the discussion seems pretty mild and Fantano seems to be talking with him over skype, so they might not have interacted much outside of the internet.

I'd imagine Sargon will say some dumb bullshit, but Fantano will try and rationalise it and avoid getting at his throat because that wouldn't be helpful for discussion. I don't think that's worth getting that upset about.

I'm sure Marc Maron has had people on he disagreed with on, or that you might disagree with.
 

Alucrid

Banned
Again, i had not heard of him outside of this thread. might give the podcast a listen. just jumping into it, the discussion seems pretty mild and Fantano seems to be talking with him over skype, so they might not have interacted much outside of the internet.

I'd imagine Sargon will say some dumb bullshit, but Fantano will try and rationalise it and avoid getting at his throat because that wouldn't be helpful for discussion. I don't think that's worth getting that upset about.

I'm sure Marc Maron has had people on he disagreed with on, or that you might disagree with.

it's almost as if taking five minutes to find out who sargon of akkad is would save you all this embarrassment. then again it really seems like you're being willfully obtuse so i can't help but think you actually do know all about him.
 

Merc_

Member
You're seriously saying gaf isnt? Look man im super left leaning and very liberal, and even I can see it lol. It's not super bad but there is VERY rarely any sort of ultra right wing stuff on here from what I see. Every single thread like this is always left sided. From that perspective, gaf is an echo chamber.

For a "super left leaning liberal" you were caping awfully hard for both PDP and H3H3 being huge shitheads based on your post history.

Funny that.
 
I knew this guy lurked 4chan back in the day. He kind of blew up through /mu/ through some youtube 'best new creator' poll but hadn't figured he was like this also.

That'd be disappointing because I used to really like his content.
 

gohepcat

Banned
This is a problem with neogaf overall, and it's the exact same issue as a hard right internet forum.

You're left leaning? Great!
You've said something slightly different than a very heavily left leaning opinion? Get the fuck out. You are now permanently on gafs shit list.

Now Fantano is now always going to be thought of a alt-right nazi on Gaf just because of the title of this thread, even though its hardly the truth.

I honestly don’t know how anyone can think a collaboration with the biggest shitloards on the planet is just a small blemish. Like...where do you draw the line?

How is the title wrong?
 

Arctick

Member
it's almost as if taking five minutes to find out who sargon of akkad is would save you all this embarrassment. then again it really seems like you're being willfully obtuse so i can't help but think you actually do know all about him.

Give me a fucking break pal, I'm not defending him. Fantano probs thought that even though he disagrees with him on many issues, that shouldn't disqualify him from an honest conversation. Whether it was the right or wrong thing to do is up to you. I would say it was wrong, looking at Sargon's vids now. Hardly embarrassing though.
 

Merc_

Member
Give me a fucking break pal, I'm not defending him. Fantano probs thought that even though he disagrees with him on many issues, that shouldn't disqualify him from an honest conversation. Whether it was the right or wrong thing to do is up to you. I would say it was wrong, looking at Sargon's vids now. Hardly embarrassing though.

I see that you didn't actually read the article in the OP.
 

Peru

Member
This is a problem with neogaf overall, and it's the exact same issue as a hard right internet forum.

You're left leaning? Great!
You've said something slightly different than a very heavily left leaning opinion? Get the fuck out. You are now permanently on gafs shit list.

Now Fantano is now always going to be thought of a alt-right nazi on Gaf just because of the title of this thread, even though its hardly the truth.

That's ridiculous. If Fantano talked at length about how he opposed increased taxation of corporations and millionaires and why he supports privatization of public transport this thread wouldn't be made. When he posts video jams about raping Lena Dunham and Pepe memes it naturally does get made.

No one gets nailed to the cross for conservative politics - they do for alt-right trolling, misogyny, racist jokes, loudmouthed harassment.
 

PillarEN

Member
Again, i had not heard of him outside of this thread. might give the podcast a listen. just jumping into it, the discussion seems pretty mild and Fantano seems to be talking with him over skype, so they might not have interacted much outside of the internet.

I'd imagine Sargon will say some dumb bullshit, but Fantano will try and rationalise it and avoid getting at his throat because that wouldn't be helpful for discussion. I don't think that's worth getting that upset about.

I'm sure Marc Maron has had people on he disagreed with on, or that you might disagree with.

Marc has had all kinds of people on his show. And I'm sure some would have a near panic attack because he had Casey Affleck or Roseanne or Dice Clay on or someone who is/was Republican or said some nasty shit. But he's never had someone like a Sargon on. Someone who constantly on a daily basis is a militant arse and ball of hate.

There used to be a guy on YouTube called Garret and he would invite these hardcore alt-right pundits and actually debate them (usually after making a video ripping them apart). That took some balls as it was usually him against one or him against multiple "shitlords" at once. Anthony though is on a friendly basis with a person like Sargon. He's not just doing an odd one off interview or doing a one off debate.

For me it's him happily associating with these alt-right tools who are legit not doing performance art, but actually believe whole heartedly their hateful stances that sours me on him more than a side channel he used to have.
 

Merc_

Member
Ah yes "funny that"

I was very critical of PDP (or at least I am now) of his recent livestream. h3h3 hasn't done much I've found bad. infact they did a whole video telling alt-right subscribers that they wouldn't find what they were looking for on their channel after a feminism video.

But sure, I'm an alt right nazi. Again, one slight thing "wrong" with my liberalism and I'm the enemy.

I don't call trying to repeatedly downplaying someone's antisemitism a "slight mistake". Also lol at the idea that alt-righters would find nothing of value with H3H3. I would think a guy who regularly pals around with Joey Salads and ignores his buddies racism would have a lot to offer alt-right subscribers.

🤔🤔🤔 I don't know how you came to that conclusion. I even admitted a lot of his content was problematic.

The article makes it clear that he did little more then agree with Sargon in his chats with him.
 
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