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The Official UFC 100 Discussion Thread
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Jack Random
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first was a no contest, probably shouldn't be on that list.abstract alien said:
Sviatoslav
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They faced each other 3 times though, the second one being a no contest. Fedor won the other two times.Jack Random said:
Jack Random
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i saw that at sherdog and just came back to edit my post, i totally forgot about that other fightSviatoslav said:
EraldoCoil
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you guys missed a great card last night, (unless you watched it, then you didn't miss it) lol
Jesus Christ, my browser just received a lethal dose of TooManyFuckingGSPGifs on that last page.
Anyways.....I really dislike the p4p rankings, but if I had to choose someone to reign supreme as the best p4p fighter it would probably be Fedor. Continually beating people whom he has very little to no physical advantage is what really impresses me. Now that the new fad seems to be trying to find someone who can whoop Brock's ass you're really starting to see Fedor get a lot of attention (or at least more than he was before IMO.)
Anyways.....I really dislike the p4p rankings, but if I had to choose someone to reign supreme as the best p4p fighter it would probably be Fedor. Continually beating people whom he has very little to no physical advantage is what really impresses me. Now that the new fad seems to be trying to find someone who can whoop Brock's ass you're really starting to see Fedor get a lot of attention (or at least more than he was before IMO.)
yeah ok what? thats an honest post, i love this sport, i like everything about it outside of p4p rankings. meaning, knockouts, submissions, gnp, boring fights that are only boring because of 2 different styles being evenly matched.Mr. Sam said:
EDIT: and oh yea late hits only being deemed dangerous because it just so happened to fall on the super bowl of UFC fights.
I get the feeling that people think Fedor's most impressive wins are Hong Man Choi and Zulu do to their size advantage. Everyone in the p4p list could beat no talent opponents much heavier than them. Kimbo has admitted he'd lose to Penn. Hell, Royce proved this back in the heyday.
Beating opponents who are merely bigger shouldn't separate Fedor from the other p4p contenders.
Beating opponents who are merely bigger shouldn't separate Fedor from the other p4p contenders.
Good fight but Franklin could win, then what would Hendo do next?
SolidSnakex
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Bisping wants some more Hendo
http://mmajunkie.com/news/15568/mic...t-ufc-105-eyes-rematch-with-dan-henderson.mma
Patrick Cote has said that he wants a shot at Bisping, so that seems like a pretty good choice for UFC 105.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/15568/mic...t-ufc-105-eyes-rematch-with-dan-henderson.mma
Patrick Cote has said that he wants a shot at Bisping, so that seems like a pretty good choice for UFC 105.
littleorphanfunk
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Did you not watch the first fight? It was the only fight I thought Anderson might loseSlizz said:
fedor beating barnett will increase fedor's unbeaten streak by another fight, will give him 3 wins over former ufc champs in a row, and will end his commitment to affliction
hopefully at that time, team fedor & the ufc can reach some kind of agreement to bring him to the octagon, once fedor beats brock, dana white will always refer to fedor as p4p king and goat
hopefully at that time, team fedor & the ufc can reach some kind of agreement to bring him to the octagon, once fedor beats brock, dana white will always refer to fedor as p4p king and goat
BigKaboom2
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He's the #2 ranked heavyweight on most sites, having only lost to Cro Cop, Noguiera, and Rizzo (which he avenged).Ripenen said:
BigKaboom2
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Their last fight was at 205, but they haven't announced what weight this one's going to be at.Rur0ni said:
Ripenen said:
Boogie said:
Of course it does. It effectively destroys the #1 (silly) reason people have always used to keep Fedor from the #1 p4p spot - his "lack of competition".
Barnett is widely considered the #2 heavyweight in the world right now, after Fedor. After Fedor spanks him from one side of the ring to the next, that "lack of competition" excuse will evaporate along with Barnett's consciousness. There won't be anything to say against Fedor anymore.
BigJonsson
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I want Hendo to beat Franklin and then face the MW champ after Maia/Marquardt get a shot at Silva
Big-E said:
The people who are saying that are sites like Sherdog. I guarantee you that Fedor will be #1 p4p on Sherdog after August 1st, when he's been #3 forever now.
The people saying that aren't complete newbies, which is why it's amusing. They're fairly reputable sites who continually attempt to rationalize that Fedor isn't #1, and that shit ain't gonna fly anymore after the August match. They've essentially been searching for reasons to keep Fedor from the top spot, and they're quickly running out of them, especially with Anderson Silva looking so sorry his past two fights while Fedor keeps making it look quick and easy.
Zeliard said:
Ya, but I think Barnett being ranked at #2 is a travesty. He ain't done shit to deserve that ranking.
charsace said:
Naw, I think GSP is a bad matchup for Hendo, except for the size advantage. If GSP had 8 months to properly bulk up, I give GSP the nod in this fight.
For example, if I dare bring up the spectre of the dreaded MMAth, 3 years ago Hendo lost a decision to Kazuo Misaki. Then 8 months later Trigg dominates Misaki.
Hendo's not exactly a world-beater. GSP's quick enough to avoid the big right hand, and if he does that, he wins the fight, imo.
BigKaboom2
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Sorry? He completely dominated in both of them.Zeliard said:
The guys below him in the rankings aren't all that impressive either. I mean Brett Rogers is on there and he's fought exactly one decent fighter.Boogie said:
And I don't dispute that Fedor could be #1 P4P but there just hasn't been anyone for him to fight since Pride folded so it's hard to tell - Coleman, Hunt, Lindland, Choi, Sylvia, and Arlovski certainly haven't fared too well in recent years.
well hendo and gsp will never face off, but if the fight were to take place i dont know how gsp would take henderson down, wrestling edge would go to henderson, i guess he could out point him in the standup, but you would have to think that henderson would have a huge power advantage
while gsp has awesome takedowns, im going to side with the olympic caliber grecco roman wrestler
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on the topic of p4p, the only guy who i think could be put over fedor is gsp, the guys hit list is the definitive who's who of the welterweight division over the past 5 years, its very impressive
given anderson silva's last 2 lackluster performances, and the overall weak middleweight division, there is no way i'd put him over gsp or fedor
put it this way, anderson walks around at 220 lbs before cutting to 185 for fights, i think he would get destroyed if he ever stepped in the ring or octagon versus fedor (who weighs & fights at 230), no way he should be ranked above fedor
while gsp has awesome takedowns, im going to side with the olympic caliber grecco roman wrestler
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on the topic of p4p, the only guy who i think could be put over fedor is gsp, the guys hit list is the definitive who's who of the welterweight division over the past 5 years, its very impressive
given anderson silva's last 2 lackluster performances, and the overall weak middleweight division, there is no way i'd put him over gsp or fedor
put it this way, anderson walks around at 220 lbs before cutting to 185 for fights, i think he would get destroyed if he ever stepped in the ring or octagon versus fedor (who weighs & fights at 230), no way he should be ranked above fedor
BigKaboom2 said:
In the least impressive fashion imaginable. Dancing around and wasting time for half of the entire match isn't really a good showing. Fedor both dominates and doesn't tread any water whatsoever. Same thing with GSP (in most cases).
There's no fighter I enjoy watching more when he's actually trying than Anderson Silva. When he isn't, he's just as boring as anyone else.
littleorphanfunk
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Well if were talking fight math then GSP lost to serra lol. You'd say with a straight face gsp could outwrestle Brock or beat fedor if he trained
the man crush is in full effect
the man crush is in full effect
BigKaboom2
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The Cote fight wasn't bad, and the Leites fight was slow just because Anderson wanted to stand and Leites wanted to take it to the ground and neither one would let the other dictate the fight. Sure you could blame either one of them but neither one did anything explicitly foolish. Plus Anderson took virtually no damage while constantly trying to dislocate Leites's knee for some reason :lol .Zeliard said:
I'm sure he can do well on the ground but he knows that if he keeps it standing he has the best chance to win. P4P doesn't necessarily have to be "most exciting" or "most willing to exhibit his versatility."
BigKaboom2
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Anderson hasn't lost since since 2004 if you don't count the DQ against Okami. And GSP hasn't finished any top (true) welterweights that he faced when they were in their prime (Koscheck, Fitch, Alves, Parisyan - you could count the Hughes fights I guess but he hasn't been the same since then). I don't really care about decisions vs. KOs/subs anyway - they're all perfectly legitimate ways to win. As for Fedor, like I said before none of his last several opponents are doing very well these days so those wins in retrospect aren't all that impressive. I look forward to seeing him get some better competition but I can't justify calling him #1 P4P for beating those guys.Big-E said:
BigKaboom2 said:
Who has Anderson fought? Hedo was not in his prime by any means and his biggest wins are Marquardt and Rich Franklin. GSP has destroyed Hughes twice and has beaten Penn twice and has avenged all of his losses. Lets look at their last 4 fights, GSP absolutely dominates Alves, Penn, Fitch and Sera while Anderson looks mediocre against Cote and Leites and his only notable win is Hendo.
BigKaboom2 said:
The biggest reason most people were disappointed in Anderson Silva isn't because he wasn't exciting - it's because everyone could see that Silva could have finished those matches fairly quickly but decided to keep stalling. He even admitted after the Leites fight that he wanted to prove he could go 5 rounds. I'm not sure why he feels he would need to prove such a thing.
Cote lost to Leben, for Christ's sake. Look at what Anderson Silva did to Leben.
SnakeXs said:
Yep.
That has led to issues though, ala Sherk always trying to stand up in fights because he badly wants either Fight of the Night or Knockout of the Night. The guy has the shortest arms on the planet. He doesn't need to be standing up with anyone, especially not guys like BJ Penn.
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