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The Order: 1886 is 30fps because 24fps doesn't "feel good", 60fps "changes aesthetic"
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Yeah, I don't mind a good solid 30fps for games like this but the logic is kind of a strange, alien one that I don't think really belongs in games at all.
Also they could've gone Hobbit "filimic" with 48fps! Though without some TV compensation that's not actually going to work as well as anyone'd like.
There are legitimate cases like South Park where it really can feel like the TV show, and I suppose a game like David Cage's is better able to run with this because it's actually more like a movie you sort of control, but for something that is a shooter it's really questionable logic.
Dictator93
Member
The idea that a game can look "filmic" is kind of absurd. Cameras have exposure and a frame is a time slice (and stretch of time) in actuality, not an infintely precise time point (frame in a video game). Since we are not exposing like a path tracing engine or something... the parallels kind of do not work out.
Furthermore, the motionblur afforded by videogame technqiues is nowhere near as physically accurate as that of a camera (one again, with its exposure)
Saying that a game looks less "real" at a higher framerate goes against everything that the lessons of VR have taught us also.
Just admit you want the game to look like X, and hardware X cannot garantee that it wll look like that at a 60fps.
Furthermore, the motionblur afforded by videogame technqiues is nowhere near as physically accurate as that of a camera (one again, with its exposure)
Saying that a game looks less "real" at a higher framerate goes against everything that the lessons of VR have taught us also.
Just admit you want the game to look like X, and hardware X cannot garantee that it wll look like that at a 60fps.
...they are?
Then you should make your own game. Honestly though, i understand what they are trying to say but i feel like its a trade off to reach that visual fidelity.
I don't think it's just the framerate that would change the look of the game, it would look significantly downgraded in visuals as well. I'm ok with a 30 FPS framerate with no noticeable drops for this game, as long as it doesn't have super twitchy gameplay.
This is something that should be said more often.
This is something that should be said more often.
mcz117chief
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Compare a normal movie and The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, you will see that it just feels different.
Night Hunter
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No, it means that with the visual styly they were going for 60fps would be detrimental. And seeing the filters etc. they employ I actually agree.
People need some reading comprehension courses. No where does it say they looked to do 24fps. They simply mentioned how they noticed how films use that, but obviously playing at 24 fps is not a good experience.
Maybe they did try it out, but no where in that paragraph did it imply that as their vision...
Maybe they did try it out, but no where in that paragraph did it imply that as their vision...
Nope. Just like how people in general hated how The Hobbit looked at 48fps. It completely changes the aesthetic of the game.
Except they didn't say 60fps makes it look less "real". It looks less like a movie, which is the look they're going for.
They would aim for 60fps is that was the case.
Fried Food
Banned
I believe this sort of reasonings. Games just look different at 60 frames, less real. Less real is fine for certain things are inherently fake in all aspects. This fame is trying to be more grounded overall.
Bluekaveli
Member
Please be 1080p then.
I'm not sure 60fps would have been an option without losing the visual flair somewhat but I'm fine with 30fps so long as its solid and they keep latency low.
I guess the point they're making is they felt the visual change necessary to get 60fps wouldn't work for them - not sure otherwise why 60fps would automatically ruin things unless they mean the "look" in motion veered away from what's familiar from films in the way The Hobbit at 48fps got a bit of a mauling for the most part for not looking right in motion.
Not sure that would apply in a game though.
I guess the point they're making is they felt the visual change necessary to get 60fps wouldn't work for them - not sure otherwise why 60fps would automatically ruin things unless they mean the "look" in motion veered away from what's familiar from films in the way The Hobbit at 48fps got a bit of a mauling for the most part for not looking right in motion.
Not sure that would apply in a game though.
metareferential
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A locked 30 with great IQ is fine by me.
Even though I don't believe 30fps or low resolution (in general) are valid "artistic choices".
It's just a way to cover tech compromise.
Even though I don't believe 30fps or low resolution (in general) are valid "artistic choices".
It's just a way to cover tech compromise.
SyaraSystem
Neo Member
Actually, the comparison to watching films in HFR is very apt.
There's a tangible, and for many people, unfavorable change.
There's a tangible, and for many people, unfavorable change.
BadAss2961
Member
People are way overthinking the 24fps thing.
TheKastorian
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Game looks amazing and can't wait to get my hands on it.
I'm kind of stunned that people who are adamant that 60FPS versus 30FPS represents a fidelity difference both in gameplay and graphics are shocked that a developer would choose the lower for the exact same reason. Is it not possible for a developer to say it's an artistic choice AND it is easier to hit technically?
Now if the complaint is that the ONLY reason to go is for artistic reasons, well that is up to RAD as to whether that is true or not.
Daffy Duck
Member
Well it is and it isn't.
From the CVG Hands-On interview: http://www.computerandvideogames.co...1886s-e3-demo-showcases-style-over-substance/
CVG said:
Doesn't sound like gameplay is their top priority. I love RAD, and I'm super excited for this game, and story is very important to me, but I want a game to be fun. It's crucial.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Every game is better at 60FPS. I'm fine with 30 for console games, but the idea that some games don't work well at 60 is garbage.
I hate when I can't decide if a post is serious or not.
somebody actually used the 'cinematic feel' argument
I don't know what's real anymore
I honestly can't tell who is being sarcastic
this is a joke, right?
I don't know what's real anymore
I honestly can't tell who is being sarcastic
this is a joke, right?
I'm not sure why there's all this confusion here. They spelled it out clearly.
Film runs at 24fps. They wanted the look of film above all else, which is clear from the aspect ratio, so they were considering 24fps to keep with the feel of film. They tried it and found it negatively affected the game, and 60fps went too far away from the look of film that they wanted, so they compromised on 30fps.
I think it's a great sign that they're considering issues like this so seriously.
Film runs at 24fps. They wanted the look of film above all else, which is clear from the aspect ratio, so they were considering 24fps to keep with the feel of film. They tried it and found it negatively affected the game, and 60fps went too far away from the look of film that they wanted, so they compromised on 30fps.
I think it's a great sign that they're considering issues like this so seriously.
Canis lupus
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Wishmaster92
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it's 1920x800 which is still more than 900p. So no it won't be 800p. They did consider full 1080p at some point though.
If it looked less real VR wouldn't be needing 60fps at the very minimum. They just don't want to say "Yeah we can't do the graphics we have right now at 60fps with the PS4". It sounds better to say it's an artistic choice.
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Deleted member 17706
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Why even make up bullshit like this? It's 30fps for performance reasons, obviously.
Comparing real time 3D graphics to films is just idiotic.
Comparing real time 3D graphics to films is just idiotic.
Dragon1893
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I'm scratching my head at this lol.
Chaplain
Member
Ty bro. I wad under the impression that The Order would be this gens Uncharted 1: amazing graphics with horrible screen tearing.
jordan0386
Member
Can a videogame even be playable at 24fps?
one of the best games evurr had black bars and people hardly noticed it
Yeah, but the aspect ratio still wasn't as wide as it is in The Order. That much horizontal fov isn't really necessary.
It's a little worrying that some folk would sacrifice a game playing at it's best just for improved graphics.
I would like to know this as well.
This is just my opinion, but when i played dark souls on my PS3, i loved the clunky feeling of the game. Now i with Dark souls 2 i played it on my pc, and at 60+ fps it just feels very unnatural for me, like everything is going way to fast.
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