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[jackdoe]

Maybe if buy it on PSN you don't have to buy the twice

Spoiler

lol

Haha. Yeah. Square-Enix could become the most generous publisher around!

 

[V_Ben]

Getting some help

I cannot wait for the Vita launch. It's going to be such a rush We are going to GO TO TOWN

 

[Jarmel]

The Nintendo Defense Force got here quick I see.

Anyway some of those games look like the shoddy PSP ports that they are(here's to you NGS and Army). Haven't heard anything about Malicious but looks good.

Really really solid lineup. If even half of these games turn up good then this could be the best launch year for any console.

 

[Canova]

Really? Do you have a link to the interview?

And new weapons too

 

[Dr.Palutena]

What i'm doing is probably waiting for holiday 2012 at the earliest and start picking up cheaper stuff. Or wait for the revision and get an original model for cheap.

I just need self control

self control? what the heck's that? .....;;

 

[18-Volt]

Gravity Daze, Sound-shapes, Army Corps Of Hell, Escape Plan, Sumioni... all new.

OK, I was wrong about "original new games". I change it with "new games from big studios". As I remember, no "original new game" has sold systems. If Irrational Games is really making games for system (either it's BioShock or a new title) it will do great. Just "Original new games" should come after the system launches. Like a couple of years later (like Patapon or LocoRoco on PSP). Those games are absolutely great though (especially SE game about hell) , but they will be ignored at luach with Uncharted and Disgaea are also at lauch.

GTA games were essentially re-purposed ports of their console brethren. Same with Portable Ops, which released 2-3 years into the PSP's life and Crisis Core launched 3-4 years into the systems life.

It is not important (well it actually is to me, lol) when killer apps are released to get more people excited, but their announcement is important. Crisis Core was announced before system launched (E3 2004) and PSP gained a lot of hype because of it. many people has bought system because of Crisis Core, including me.

None of these have even come out yet, and the system is well beyond its launch period and approaching (if not beyond) it's first year on the market when all of them do. Perhaps extend a console not even released yet the same courtesy for it's "system sellers".

Maybe yes, but it's not 2004 anymore. There's a very dangerous rival called smartphones in the handheld market and in order to compete with them, Sony needs very big names. Again, just announcement of the title will be enough. Halo 3 sold Xbox 360's, Brawl sold Wii's, MGS4 sold PS3's and Crisis Core sold PSP's. Vita has Uncharted but I don't think it's big as those titles. For 3DS, Nintendo announced games far from complete a year before release (Kid Icarus, Paper Mario, Revelations (when announced, game was 20% complete) and Kingdom Hearts).

So you complain about the Vita lacking original games (somehow overlooking Gravity Daze and Sound Shapes), but while praising the 3DS lineup you can only name sequels. Not to mention complaining about Vita ports but mentioning a single one of the many 3DS ones.

That's exactly what I'm doing. I don't wanna sound like defending 3DS but, yes, sequels are ones that matter. Not ports. Sequels make people hyped for system. For Vita, Uncharted and LittleBigPlanet will do this job but somthing big have to be on the horizon. Something really big. Something that will make people say "Yay, I've got myself a Vita and Uncharted, but most important thing is I will be able to play ***** in the future!!!" Something that people will buy Vita to play it. Something like God of War 4, Final Fantasy XV, Monster Hunter 4 (too late), Persona 5, GTA San Andreas 2. Spinoffs will do fine too.

 

[Raine]

Lacks killer apps, system sellers, original new games. Full of ports... Vita needs games like PSP had, giant names, Crisis Core, GTA games, Portable Ops... Nintendo 3DS have a nuber of killeapps/system sellers already (RE: R, Kid Icarus, KH3D, MH4), and somebody must announce some big exclusive title to Vita as soon as possible

So you fault the Vita for lack of original games than praise the 3DS for Resident Evil, Kid Icarus, KH3D and MH4. None of which are original games and only one (which remains to be seen) that can be called a "killer app/system seller". Makes sense.

PSP had Monster Hunter, Super Robot Wars, GTA and God of War to have its sales reach to 70 million. Vita needs more than those if they want th system to exceed its precessor. Nathan Drake isn't powerful as Kratos to make the system shine.

You do realize that none of games came out on PSP launch, correct?

 

[Kuran]

This is a launch line-up. Expect more megatons next E3.

 

[yurinka]

3DS approach is the same as well.

Yep, but more focused in N64/PS2 console games than current gen games.

So you fault the Vita for lack of original games than praise the 3DS for Resident Evil, Kid Icarus, KH3D and MH4. None of which are original games and only one (which remains to be seen) that can be called a "killer app/system seller". Makes sense.

This one is the same that only works in Japan and it hasn't been confirmed as exclusive.

OK, I was wrong about "original new games". I change it with "new games from big studios". As I remember, no "original new game" has sold systems. If Irrational Games is really making games for system (either it's BioShock or a new title) it will do great. Just "Original new games" should come after the system launches. Like a couple of years later (like Patapon or LocoRoco on PSP). Those games are absolutely great though (especially SE game about hell) , but they will be ignored at luach with Uncharted and Disgaea are also at lauch.

Rockstar confirmed to be working in Vita games.
Brand new Bioshock Vita is coming
Brand new Assasin's Creed Vita (new main character will debut here) is coming
Call of Duty is coming

GTA games were essentially re-purposed ports of their console brethren. Same with Portable Ops, which released 2-3 years into the PSP's life and Crisis Core launched 3-4 years into the systems life.

GTA PSP games were whole new games just set in the same cities.

Maybe yes, but it's not 2004 anymore. There's a very dangerous rival called smartphones in the handheld market and in order to compete with them, Sony needs very big names.

Unlike 3DS, Vita has Minis and PS Suite. So Vita has most of the best smartphone games, the support of the main smartphones games publishers in addition to tons of small, cheap, indy games. More than 100 including Angry Birds already available, BTW.

Again, just announcement of the title will be enough. Halo 3 sold Xbox 360's, Brawl sold Wii's, MGS4 sold PS3's and Crisis Core sold PSP's. Vita has Uncharted but I don't think it's big as those titles. For 3DS, Nintendo announced games far from complete a year before release (Kid Icarus, Paper Mario, Revelations (when announced, game was 20% complete) and Kingdom Hearts).

That's exactly what I'm doing. I don't wanna sound like defending 3DS but, yes, sequels are ones that matter. Not ports. Sequels make people hyped for system. For Vita, Uncharted and LittleBigPlanet will do this job but somthing big have to be on the horizon. Something really big. Something that will make people say "Yay, I've got myself a Vita and Uncharted, but most important thing is I will be able to play ***** in the future!!!" Something that people will buy Vita to play it. Something like God of War 4, Final Fantasy XV, Monster Hunter 4 (too late), Persona 5, GTA San Andreas 2. Spinoffs will do fine too.

Nobody said Monster Hunter 4 is exclusive. So and read the OP, you'll see less ports and more new IPs than in the 3DS release line up.

 

[chubigans]

That's exactly what I'm doing. I don't wanna sound like defending 3DS but, yes, sequels are ones that matter. Not ports. Sequels make people hyped for system. For Vita, Uncharted and LittleBigPlanet will do this job but somthing big have to be on the horizon. Something really big. Something that will make people say "Yay, I've got myself a Vita and Uncharted, but most important thing is I will be able to play ***** in the future!!!" Something that people will buy Vita to play it. Something like God of War 4, Final Fantasy XV, Monster Hunter 4 (too late), Persona 5, GTA San Andreas 2. Spinoffs will do fine too.

Call of Duty would fit what you're talking about. So I'm not sure what the problem is here.

 

[Stumpokapow]

None of the games would fall under the "Port" category though since even games like UMVC3 adds touch support.

Ports still don't count as ports because they have Vita trophies instead of PS3 trophies.

 

[18-Volt]

Call of Duty would fit what you're talking about. So I'm not sure what the problem is here.

I'm not sure that Call of Duty is the right title. It has released many systems but only gained success on PS3, Xbox 360 and PC. Also it won't be exclusive when it's released on Vita. It probably will be Call of Duty 2012, which is going to be released on 3DS, Wii U beside consoles too.

 

[StuBurns]

I'm not sure that Call of Duty is the right title. It has released many systems but only gained success on PS3, Xbox 360 and PC. Also it won't be exclusive when it's released on Vita. It probably will be Call of Duty 2012, which is going to be released on 3DS, Wii U beside consoles too.

lol

 

[kittens]

Ports still don't count as ports because they have Vita trophies instead of PS3 trophies.

Not sure if serious.

 

[jackdoe]

Not sure if serious.

You missed the entire train of discussion. Go back a few pages and it will make sense.

 

[Parch]

For someone who doesn't own a PS3, claiming there's a lack of original games doesn't apply. Some can't justify buying another console but the Vita provides an alternative and the opportunity to play all those great Sony franchises for the first time on a great piece of tech. There's still a lot of new titles to chose from, but it's an outstanding lineup for somebody without a PS3.

 

[yurinka]

I'm not sure that Call of Duty is the right title. It has released many systems but only gained success on PS3, Xbox 360 and PC. Also it won't be exclusive when it's released on Vita. It probably will be Call of Duty 2012, which is going to be released on 3DS, Wii U beside consoles too.

lol what?
Has Activision even hinted something to support these Nintendo platforms with Call of Duty?
And do you know how many million units did Call of Duty sold this gen?
About Call of Duty Vita as I remember Activision only said that is was going to support the unique features of the device.
So not even a hint about if it will be or not the same game than in consoles (even in this case it would have the Vita specific features).

 

[IrishNinja]

Extreme Escape Adventure: Good People Die | Developer: Chunsoft | Publisher: Chunsoft | Genre: Adventure | Release Date: TBA

Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHMhHA5a6v8&hd=1

...what am i looking at? is this a sequel or a port of 999 or what?

 

[SolidSnakex]

...what am i looking at? is this a sequel or a port of 999 or what?

It's supposed to be an original game by the team that made 999. Some fans are saying that it has connections to that game though.

 

[StuBurns]

...what am i looking at? is this a sequel or a port of 999 or what?

A 'spiritual' sequel.

 

[18-Volt]

lol what? Has Activision even hinted something about this? Do you know how many million units did Call of Duty sold this gen?

No but is it possible Activision to leave Nintendo out? MW3 is already coming to DS/Wii, and with Second circle pad on its way, a Call of Duty on 3DS is pretty inevitable. For U, I'm not sure but releasing it on Wii but not on Wii U would be ridiculous (which is exact same thing they will do).

 

[Derrick01]

Pretty solid list of games for a launch window. I have to admit there's too many japanese games but I remain somewhat optimistic the west will at least try to jump in at some point, even if it's only a short lived try.

 

[jackdoe]

Pretty solid list of games for a launch window. I have to admit there's too many japanese games but I remain somewhat optimistic the west will at least try to jump in at some point, even if it's only a short lived try.

I'm assuming once Sony has a launch event for the West, that we'll see more Western developed games.

 

[yurinka]

No but is it possible Activision to leave Nintendo out? MW3 is already coming to DS/Wii, and with Second circle pad on its way, a Call of Duty on 3DS is pretty inevitable. For U, I'm not sure but releasing it on Wii but not on Wii U would be ridiculous (which is exact same thing they will do).

For sure is possible to leave Nintendo out. The main modern CoD games key selling point is the on-line. And they are focused to hardcore players, the ones that wouldn't play it in WiiU because they already play Call of Duty in their PS3 or 360, and the ones that would prefer it in Vita instead of 3DS,DS due to better graphics, on-line and dual analog. A combination of both reasons is the one of why they will ignore the Wii version.

 

[Callibretto]

lol what?
Has Activision even hinted something to support these Nintendo platforms with Call of Duty?
And do you know how many million units did Call of Duty sold this gen?
About Call of Duty Vita as I remember Activision only said that is was going to support the unique features of the device.
So not even a hint about if it will be or not the same game than in consoles (even in this case it would have the Vita specific features).

well, Activision supported ds with call of duty games, so it makes sense if they will continue that to 3ds, whether it'll be the same game or similar in quality rather than a quick cash in is unknown at this point.

actually, there's no confirmation that CoD vita will be console quality too (if it's not port), although the expectation certainly is high, and I think Sony knows it too.

 

[jackdoe]

For sure is possible to leave Nintendo out. The main modern CoD games key selling point is the on-line. And they are focused to hardcore players, the ones that wouldn't play it in WiiU because they already play Call of Duty in their PS3 or 360, and the ones that would prefer it in Vita instead of 3DS due to better graphics, on-line and dual analog.

Haha. No they won't. They'll just port any future games to the Wii U, that much is certain. As for 3DS entries? Who knows, it will very likely happen as well. Of course, the Vita's online infrastructure outstrips the 3DS's so most CoD fans who want a handheld experience would go the Vita route.

 

[yurinka]

well, Activision supported ds with call of duty games, so it makes sense if they will continue that to 3ds, whether it'll be the same game or similar in quality rather than a quick cash in is unknown at this point.

actually, there's no confirmation that CoD vita will be console quality too (if it's not port), although the expectation certainly is high, and I think Sony knows it too.

Unlike 3DS and DS, Vita has proper on-line, dual analog controls and graphics to appeal Call of Duty users.

Haha. No they won't. They'll just port any future games to the Wii U, that much is certain.

What is certain is that nobody even hinted to support Wii U, and that Call of Duty fans will continue playing it in their current HD consoles. If when Wii U is released they are hyped to play it in other upcoming console, it will be PS4 or Xbox720 because they are going to provide a substantial graphical leap from their current consoles, unlike WiiU.

As for 3DS entries? Who knows, it will very likely happen as well. Of course, the Vita's online infrastructure outstrips the 3DS's so most CoD fans who want a handheld experience would go the Vita route.

Don't remember 2nd analog issue.

 

[SolidSnakex]

actually, there's no confirmation that CoD vita will be console quality too (if it's not port), although the expectation certainly is high, and I think Sony knows it too.

There's no reason for it not to be console quality. The next CoD is being developed by Treyarch, and their last PS3 game (Black Ops) is already running at the Vita's resolution.

 

[Jarmel]

If COD comes out with online multiplayer on Vita-exclusive, it's a wrap. All they need to do is have it setup so you can continue ranking up your PSN account.

There's no reason for it not to be console quality. The next CoD is being developed by Treyarch, and their last PS3 game (Black Ops) is already running at the Vita resolution.

Ouch.

 

[jackdoe]

There's no reason for it not to be console quality. The next CoD is being developed by Treyarch, and their last PS3 game (Black Ops) is already running at the Vita resolution.

Hahahahahaha. The funny thing is I'll laugh my ass off if a Vita CoD game has a lower resolution than the Vita's screen. It could happen.

 

[slider]

Pretty solid list of games for a launch window. I have to admit there's too many japanese games but I remain somewhat optimistic the west will at least try to jump in at some point, even if it's only a short lived try.

I think there was a figure bandied about at TGS. Something like 20whatever launch day titles and a "100 by March". I'd hope that'd meana varied library but you never know.

I never play portables at home and even though I travel an awful lot I very rarely take a handheld with me so for me? Uncharted and Wipeout will keep me happy for a while.

 

[Piercedveil]

Have any launch colors been confirmed? I haven't been following too closely but I am curious.

 

[madmaxx350]

For sure is possible to leave Nintendo out. The main modern CoD games key selling point is the on-line. And they are focused to hardcore players, the ones that wouldn't play it in WiiU because they already play Call of Duty in their PS3 or 360, and the ones that would prefer it in Vita instead of 3DS,DS due to better graphics, on-line and dual analog. A combination of both reasons is the one of why they will ignore the Wii version.

Nah 3DS will definitely get COD in some form, the question is will it be the same version Vita is getting and will Vita's be part of the multiplatform PC-PS360 release.

 

[Jarmel]

Have any launch colors been confirmed? I haven't been following too closely but I am curious.

Sure you can have any color as long as it's black.

 

[overcast]

Excellent launch line up.

 

[jackdoe]

Nah 3DS will definitely get COD in some form, the question is will it be the same version Vita is getting and will Vita's be part of the multiplatform PC-PS360 release.

I'm hoping Activision, and most other publishers, realizes that even though porting the PS3 version of a CoD game is very cheap, investing just a little money to create an original title using a lot of existing assets, can potentially net a lot more money.

 

[slider]

Sure you can have any color as long as it's black.

Shame really. Especially as I saw this on Engadget the other day.

 

[Jarmel]

I'm hoping Activision, and most other publishers, realizes that even though porting the PS3 version of a CoD game is very cheap, investing just a little money to create an original title using a lot of existing assets, can potentially net a lot more money.

I hope they don't. I hope they port the game in the exact existing form so we can play against people on the PS3 versions.

Shame really. Especially as I saw this on Engadget the other day.

Orange at JP launch would have been godly. However black is not a bad choice due to the blacks of the OLED.

 

[Father_Brain]

Assuming it's a competent effort, CoD Vita will almost certainly sell better than any of the DS games. But there's a lot of daylight between CoD DS numbers and CoD 360/PS3/PC numbers, and there's no historical evidence that successful western console IP can have the same success on a handheld. The strongest counterexample, GTA:LCS, still sold considerably less than its console counterparts even with the PS2 port included, and its sequel sold less than half as much and (seemingly) led Rockstar to abandon any comparable ground-up efforts on the platform.

 

[StuBurns]

What is the best selling Western handheld game though?

Looking at Wiki, the best selling DS game, NSMB sold nearly 27M, the best selling Western DS game (I can see) was Guitar Hero, which sold 1.4M.

I don't think it's anything to do with the console element.

EDIT: wow, the best selling Western GBA game was Nemo and it's from the same studio as GH DS.

 

[Mrbob]

Didn't the PSP GTA games sell around 4 to 5 million copies? CoD is more popular than GTA was at its peak. I think the Vita versions of CoD could easily push 5 million + worldwide.

 

[slider]

Didn't the PSP GTA games sell around 4 to 5 million copies? CoD is more popular than GTA was at its peak. I think the Vita versions of CoD could easily push 5 million + worldwide.

I guess it'd also depend when in the Vita's lifetime it launched. With one out the door I'd imagine they'd mirror Vita to the PS3/360 iterations.

I did wonder in another thread about the glut of titles at launch. I'd hope for devs and publishers Vita shifts decent numbers. Still, these folk know what they're doing!

 

[madmaxx350]

Didn't the PSP GTA games sell around 4 to 5 million copies? CoD is more popular than GTA was at its peak. I think the Vita versions of CoD could easily push 5 million + worldwide.

If it's a solid effort and Vita is a success, with good Marketing(well really it's COD) it'll probably be able to do 4 million.

 

[chubigans]

But there's a lot of daylight between CoD DS numbers and CoD 360/PS3/PC numbers, and there's no historical evidence that successful western console IP can have the same success on a handheld.

I'm not sure that Call of Duty is the right title. It has released many systems but only gained success on PS3, Xbox 360 and PC.

Gee, I can't imagine why.

 

[yurinka]

What is the best selling Western handheld game though?

Looking at Wiki, the best selling DS game, NSMB sold nearly 27M, the best selling Western DS game (I can see) was Guitar Hero, which sold 1.4M.

I don't think it's anything to do with the console element.

EDIT: wow, the best selling Western GBA game was Nemo and it's from the same studio as GH DS.

I would say severall western PSP games ouldsould this Guitar Hero, Daxter, including GTA PSP games, Wipeout, FIFA, God of War games or even maybe EyePet.

 

[Father_Brain]

Gee, I can't imagine why.

Yeesh, did you actually read my post? That's why I specifically cited the PSP GTAs, which were obviously much closer to their console counterparts than that, and unlike CoD Vita, didn't have a key feature (online multiplayer) compromised by the inherent physical limitations of a handheld.

 

[Derrick01]

Didn't the PSP GTA games sell around 4 to 5 million copies? CoD is more popular than GTA was at its peak. I think the Vita versions of CoD could easily push 5 million + worldwide.

I think they both sold around 4-5 million and it was relatively early in the psp's life. COD is different though, how many people will sit around at night with their handhelds and use wifi to play online while their console COD is 10 feet away?

It could be huge but I don't see why millions would buy it.

 

[chubigans]

Yeesh, did you actually read my post? That's why I specifically cited the PSP GTAs, which were obviously much closer to their console counterparts than that, and unlike CoD Vita, didn't have a key feature (online multiplayer) compromised by the inherent physical limitations of a handheld.

Which isn't a very good comparison either, considering the PS2 userbase far surpasses the PSP userbase. And yet the PSP version sold more than half of the PS2 GTAs. Besides, you said "and there's no historical evidence that successful western console IP can have the same success on a handheld" which is silly considering that's the kind of historical evidence you were referring to.

edit: sorry, was comparing GTA III instead of San Andreas. Still, the userbases were quite different for both platforms.

I think they both sold around 4-5 million and it was relatively early in the psp's life.

GTA: LCS sold 8 million, Vice City Stories sold 4.5. I think that includes the PS2 versions though.

 

[Apath]

Can't forget that COD titles on the DS/other handhelds haven't had the opportunity of using a dual stick layout. So not only will COD titles actually look a hell of a lot closer to their console counterparts, but they can now actually play like them too.

Yeesh, did you actually read my post? That's why I specifically cited the PSP GTAs, which were obviously much closer to their console counterparts than that, and unlike CoD Vita, didn't have a key feature (online multiplayer) compromised by the inherent physical limitations of a handheld.

So it will sell a few million copies as opposed to over 10 million copies? =P

 

[Kyoufu]

If they market it well, including Vita's online features then they should be able to sell a good number.

The only difficulty they have is selling it to those already buying on PS360PC.