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[maabus1999]

I was more talking about the possible fact, that the system may needs to turn on several parts for chargin.

Can't just turn something on without a load. So even if a port is on, it has to have a load.

 

[Sickbean]

I was more talking about the possible fact, that the system may needs to turn on several parts for chargin.

Not if it's even remotely sensibly designed. You don't really need any controlling electronics to charge a USB device.

 

[sublimit]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/11/playstation-4-hardware-review-off-to-a-mixed-start/

I'd like to see a PS3 comparison to this.

 

[Tiberius]

there's 10 w difference between DF and ars measures

 

[Mondy]

Yeah nah. Ars have fucked this one up. There is no way in hell this is true. The PS4s are already sitting in distribution in both EU and Australia waiting to go out, ffs. If this were true, they wouldn't have made it through the door.

 

[Melter]

I think this is true, because when I put my ps4 on standby I noticed it still kept running the fans and even spinning them up slightly on occasion. Hope it's a firmware problem because I don't want my ps4 fan running 24/7. Turned the console fully off instead now.

 

[SappYoda]

They had another standby/downloading field. It added a couple watts.

The PS4 automatically starts installing disc based games when inside the drive.
Still it doesn't add up to 70W, unless it requires the apu to install wich makes no sense.

 

[maabus1999]

I'd like to see a PS3 comparison to this.

They need to add " fully turned off and plugged in" to finish the chart; that value should be under 0.5 watts.

 

[Sickbean]

there's 10 w difference between DF and ars measures

DF is measuring idle, not standby. Two different things.

 

[hipbabboom]

There not making good use of that extra low-power CPU that was discovered during the teardown

 

[GarthVaderUK]

This can't be true.

 

[cjoyce1980]

that's shocking, but I guess its the price we have to pay if we want instant on!

 

[maabus1999]

there's 10 w difference between DF and ars measures

Not unreasonably out of the question as even though both were idle, during the measurements there could've been some background stuff going on that makes the difference that is hard to spot.

That is why the "range" is better then a hard number that DF gave, so it gives you a feel; still looks like there was something adding a few watts during Ars idle test.

Doesn't invalidate the numbers though, including the standby one.

 

[suedester]

Yeah, Ars done fucked up good.

 

[n0n44m]

there's 10 w difference between DF and ars measures

DF is probably using 230V and ars 110V , power supplies are less efficient at the latter so that could explain some difference in power usage despite doing the same thing

 

[Paganmoon]

DF is measuring idle, not standby. Two different things.

There's a 10W difference on idle....

 

[Delusibeta]

DF is measuring idle, not standby. Two different things.

So did Ars: they got 90W, DF got 80W. Ars definitely fucked up somewhere, but the question that remains is that does said fuckup account for the 70W standby claim?

 

[SeventhSon]

Is this the mode where you can suspend a game and resume instantly? That may explain it.

 

[Briarios]

Is it possible they left a controller plugged in and it was charging?

 

[IAmRandom31]

I will plug the PS4 up to my own tester to see.

Can't trust anyone these days.

 

[runningjoke]

I just refreshed the page and now it says 10w standby. It's way lower but still too high for EU laws.

 

[RK9039]

So did Ars: they got 90W, DF got 80W. Ars definitely fucked up somewhere, but the question that remains is that does said fuckup account for the 70W standby claim?

They did say 'lower power standby mode', which is the standby download mode? I don't think there's anything to worry about.

 

[Racer1977]

It says 10w in standby mode on that site, must have been misprint.

 

[Sickbean]

I will plug the PS4 up to my own tester to see.

Can't trust anyone these days.

I like the cut of your jib.

 

[Hasney]

Coming up 10w now. Looks like it was a typo, but that is still fairly high.

 

[RK9039]

Yeah they updated the standby figure.

 

[SolsticeZero]

I will plug the PS4 up to my own tester to see.

Can't trust anyone these days.

Let us know when you do, please!

 

[Paganmoon]

I will plug the PS4 up to my own tester to see.

Can't trust anyone these days.

Great, second source would be nice, so we can now if we should rage about it or not.

 

[ghst]

so standby just presses pause, stops outputting video and turns the fan off? hard to believe.

 

[SappYoda]

It's 10W they updated. That makes more sense.

 

[Setsuna]

that 7 is a long way from 1

 

[KennyLinder]

GOT A REPLY:

10w.


They have updated.

 

[Vashetti]

10w is still too high.

It has to be 0.5w for EU regulations.

 

[Lord Error]

Yeah, it looks like the console does a lot of things when in standby. But that's about 5$ / month to the electricity bill if you never turn it off :\

*ah OK, 10W* Well that makes sense give Xbox1's 14W requirement, since both machines need to be ready do all kinds of stuff while in standby. So less than a 1 a month then, that's not too bad?

 

[Wereroku]

Yep they screwed up big time even listed high standby usage as a con:

From article-Relatively high power consumption, even in standby mode.

 

[mrklaw]

Coming up 10w now. Looks like it was a typo, but that is still fairly high.

thats not unreasonable, you still have a little computer with 256MB ram sitting polling the network for remoteplay requests, updates for software, and stuff you buy from the web etc.

Also much more reassuring. if it was really 70W I wouldn't leave it like that 24/7, I'd shut it down. But 10W is fine for the convenience of the background stuff

 

[elty]

They probably have 2 standby mode:

Traditional standby - allows quick start up, does not allow background download
New standby - allows quick start up and background download

Or it could be when the system does not go into standby mode immediately - maybe it was still processing background task while it "appears" to be standby.

So I just redid the test and now it's reading 10 Watts. I swear when I did this before it was up at 70. Don't know if something changed or if I just misread in a sleep deprived haze or what, but it's now fixed.

In penance, I'm going to leave my PS4 fully on all month and eat the power bill.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

That number is...incredibly hard to believe.

I demand a retest

 

[Mindwipe]

(Update: This story originally mis-stated the PS4's power consumption in standby mode as 70 Watts. Ars regrets the error).

It still says 10, which still seems very high.

 

[MarionCB]

Wow, that was some typo, haha.

 

[KennyLinder]

That number is...incredibly hard to believe.

I demand a retest

They just did.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

They weren't kidding when they said it was the most powerful console ever.

 

[test_account]

That is a pretty big typo indeed

But i thought that PS4 didnt have this feature at launch? What is the difference?

 

[The Cowboy]

10w is still too high.

It has to be 0.5w for EU regulations.

Isn't 0.5 for actually turned off?, so it at least has enough power to turn on.

 

[Lime]

10w is still high

 

[Jburton]

What a bunch of fucking idiots .......... How do you go from 10w to 70w?

amateurs.

 

[RoadHazard]

And to be clear, 2013 rules state in the EU any electrical device has to draw NO MORE than 0.5w in Standby.

This isn't actually standby though, I don't think Sony even calls it that. It's a low-power mode where certain components are still actively running. The actual standby mode is when you turn it off properly, and I think that's where the EU rules come in?

Still, this is certainly more than I would have expected. Most of the console is supposed to be turned off in the low-power mode, right? The background DL chip is powered, and obviously also the HDD. Anything else? Would the RAM need to be powered?

EDIT: Ok, 10W sounds a bit more reasonable for what the console is doing in this state.

 

[fsckdev]

And to be clear, 2013 rules state in the EU any electrical device has to draw NO MORE than 0.5w in Standby.

Dumbest regulation I've ever seen of lol, mandating a device's "standby" power.

 

[ROBOKITTYZILLA]

That is a pretty big typo indeed But i thought that PS4 didnt have this feature at launch? What is the difference?

That wasn't a typo. They even listed it as a con. Somebody fucked up.

I still wonder how accurate that is if EU regulations require 0.5.

 

[KennyLinder]

So..


Xbox One:
Full Standby: 0.5w
Quick Boot: 15w

PS4
Full Standby: Unknown (probably 0.5w)
Low Power: 10w