LittleAngryDog
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If we are looking for new generation graphics at 30 and 60fps.
I have 1080ti and I can max PS4 games at 4K60 fps, but I think new generation should be a little bit more faster than that in order to run games not only at 4K native, but with much better graphics fidelity at the same time. I want PS5, not another PS4,5 that will run games at 4K but with similar (PS4) graphics fidelity.
I think it was last year a mod made a very insightful post, something along the lines of it would require 4x the power to do native 4K.
Meaning 9-10TF by itself alone would just go to rendering the native resolution itself without any extra's.
So yeah a 12TF+ or close to would be needed if we want a true 4K jump, a CPU that isn't downclocked to the max would help as well.
I cross my finger for a 8/16 Zen2/3 running at 3.5GHz with a 12TF GPU, would be glorious....if only.
Listen, I still remember differences between PS1/PS2/PS3, it was indeed like seeing new generation of games.The GTX 1080Ti is enough to deliver next generation graphics. Each performance frame can be converted into significant graphic improvements. If the 1080Ti can run the same PS4 games at 4k60fps it means that it would be able to make twice as beautiful graphics at 4k30fps or 4k60fps for games that already run at 60fps and that on a 1080Ti would be running at 90fps.
I believe the ideal would be that the PS5 would be able to double the performance of PS4 games in 4k. Based on that we'll see more beautiful things with frame-rates below 60 and 90fps.
For example!
COD WW2 GTX 1080Ti = 4k 90fps
COD WW3 GTX 1080Ti = 4k 60fps + Enhenced Graphics.
Or
Far Cry 5 GTX 1080Ti = 4k 60fps
Far Cry 6 GTX 1080Ti = 4k 30fps + Enhenced Graphics
I agree. I want something more impressive then a 1080ti, but a 1080ti on a closed system coding to the metal would yield results closer to a much much higher spec'd card.I have 1080ti and I can max PS4 games at 4K60 fps, but I think new generation should be a little bit more faster than that in order to run games not only at 4K native, but with much better graphics fidelity at the same time. I want PS5, not another PS4,5 that will run games at 4K but with similar (PS4) graphics fidelity.
I'm more interested in things surrounding the hardware. Such as what they'll do regarding VR, and the controller.
I don't think just upping the specs is gonna work this time. And Sony is well aware of this, I'm confident.
Dont care about GPU power if games cant run above 30FPS due to limiting CPU.
Ya I agree they really need to make this generation last longer.I think I want this generation to last much much longer. Diminishing returns have kicked in and this emphasis on graphics has made too many devs focus on "cinematic" aspect of games instead of making them fun. I don't want to play a game that makes me walk for 10 minutes doing nothing of interest besides admiring its art (eg. Many of Sonys 1st party games). I want to see more innovation, new genres, new multiplayer concepts, new IPs that are known not for their fancy graphics but for doing something genuinely new. Or maybe games will just become playable movies. Japan please save us...
That's nice but I'll be on to those new Voltron cards for my PC
Theres also one very important thing guys. Game costs has skyrocket with every new console generation, and at the same time it takes longer to make AAA games. That's also why I think new PS5 is not needed right now, because many developes (like rockstar for example) are just starting to release their new games on PS4/XO that they were working for the last few years. So if games are more expensive to make, if it takes more time time to make AAA games, and when technology (GPU and CPU performance) is not advancing as fast as it used to be, then rushed up new console generation will be pointless. Unfortunately there are many console guys who like to make wars with PC guys, because they dont like that idea when PC is better in many ways (and because of that get more graphics features). These guys will want even a little bit faster console generation, but the thing is, consoles are never meant to rival high end PC, it was always about games and it should always stay this way. On PS4 we have only around 15 good exclusives games, and that's nothing compared to previous playstation generations.
X1X performance is very good for a console, MS have totally rebuilded RX 580 to the point where it no longer should be compared to any PC GPU (like RX 580 for example) because it's much differenct card. GTX 1060 is simply not enough to mach X1X in most games, and GTX 1070 is first Nv card that can really mach X1X experience in most games. If you pair GTX 1070 in SLI you get similar performance as single 1080ti. And the thing is, in some games like wolfenstein 2 for example, even GTX 1070 results arnt as good as X1X. On my PC I can only double the framerate compared to X1X, so for example forza horizon 3 runs at 4K and 30fps on my X1X, and 60fps on 1080ti. I have compared many games and I'm amazed how fast X1X GPU is. It's very sad X1X was made with jaguar cores, because otherwise this console would run all games at 60fps easily.Well it depends on the launch date. If 7nm is really ready for GPUs (actually Intel has massive problems with 10nm) we might get enhanced Vega64 performance which is most equivalent to the 1080TI on consoles. But well don't count on this. Those cards are still not cheap enough. If you would put something like that at 7nm you may have no problems with the heat but with the $500 price tag as 7nm is not really cheaper.
Also don't forget the cpu which might get a major upgrade in next-gen, so this leaves less room for the GPU. memory does also not get cheaper but must be faster.
I really don't see where this is going. "doubling" the xbox one x is not enough for 1080TI performance and the price tag goes way above of $500 which seems to be to much for most gamers.
So I would guess be get a $399 base-model with a better cpu and more memory and maybe better performance than the ps4 pro and than a "Pro"-Version with a doubled GPU.
A Crossfire or SLI interface might be good for the manufacturers. Just connect 2 Consoles to get e.g. AA in the game. But I don't think that will happen. And an Upgradeable console .. well I don't think so.
I'm more interested in things surrounding the hardware. Such as what they'll do regarding VR, and the controller.
I don't think just upping the specs is gonna work this time. And Sony is well aware of this, I'm confident.
All we console peasants want is STANDARD 1080p60f, that's all I ever want, couldn't care less about 4K.
That's because the X1X runs things at lower quality than PC, run them both at equal settings, and 1070 is always the faster one.And the thing is, in some games like wolfenstein 2 for example, even GTX 1070 results arnt as good as X1X.
It does depend on the game, Far Cry 5 for instance runs a lot smoother at 4K/30FPS than it does with the same settings on a 1060. That's down to optimisation at the end of the day though.That's because the X1X runs things at lower quality than PC, run them both at equal settings, and 1070 is always the faster one.
My personal experience is X1X is exactly RX580/1060.
Listen, I still remember differences between PS1/PS2/PS3, it was indeed like seeing new generation of games.
PS4 wasnt so revolutionary, but still some games like "Uncharted 4" or "the order" clearly shows PS3 could never run such a amazing looking games, so even PS4 was OK. I would rather see more amazing games on PS4P/X1X than buy another rushed console with subtle differences in graphics. If I want amazing picture quality (4K60fps), than I have PC for that right now.
It'll never happen, most developers/publishers will put resources into better graphics over performance since it's easier to sell games that way.