RawkHawk2010
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Well one obviously won't be allowed to say they still post here lest they be completely ostracized.
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Well one obviously won't be allowed to say they still post here lest they be completely ostracized.
family_guy
Member
I wasn't aware of these things until recently, but apparently other people were and so were moderators that stuck around until recently. These things happened long before this latest incident and personally I think those things are more egregious than a drunk guy reading the wrong signals and going way over the top to get with a drunk girl. So the question is why were people sticking around back then and not now?
Cygnus X-1
Member
Thanks for the statement.
I will just say this: a person is innocent, unless it is proven otherwise. And not: a person is guilty, until proven innocent. This is one of the pillars of democracy.
If what you say it's true, I hope you can clear up your accusations. If not, well: you must go down and pay for what you did.
I think that for now it makes just sense for an outsider like me to stay neutral.
I will just say this: a person is innocent, unless it is proven otherwise. And not: a person is guilty, until proven innocent. This is one of the pillars of democracy.
If what you say it's true, I hope you can clear up your accusations. If not, well: you must go down and pay for what you did.
I think that for now it makes just sense for an outsider like me to stay neutral.
Please see the above images. :\
Logical, right. Staying here making your propaganda sure looks like what some white knight would do.
Consejos tengo que para mí no quiero, they say around here.
Hold on now. Why would Evilore have access to the pictures to post in the first place if the people involved didn't WANT them posted without their express permission, hmm? Ever think of that, SJWs?
People didn't know about it.
Now everyone here does.
So, you have a choice about whether or not to continue white knighting for a guy who posted revenge porn all so you can talk about video games without having to recognize the existence of black people and women.
People didn't know about it.
Now everyone here does.
So, you have a choice about whether or not to continue white knighting for a guy who posted revenge porn all so you can talk about video games without having to recognize the existence of black people and women.
Hahahahaha. Oh man... I can't breathe.
JacksUsername
Member
Long farewell post, but I figure it makes the most sense to reside here than creating yet another thread, especially given that Ive been mostly a lurker in recent years.
I joined GAF back in 2007 when a lot of smaller fan sites were closing. At the time, I remember a lot of hilarious GIFs being reposted at these sites, and they all seemed to originate from one place: NeoGAF. I think it took like 6 months to get an account, but I was happy to be part of the community. As time went on, GAF became a ritual. Every time I opened a browser, it was always one of my saved pages; my default destination when looking to kill time and get up to speed on the latest news.
As I got older, and I realized how invested I was in video games and the joy they can bring to others, my biggest hope for the industry was that games could shed the reputation and stigma they had received largely throughout their existence. After GamerGate, places like Twitter and 4chan seemed to run in the opposite direction, with a majority looking to keep the status quo in fear of change. Gamer became a bad word again, and associating yourself with the hobby came with assumptions of misogyny and racism. Sure, GAF had some cringe-inducing posts, especially those aimed at developers and publishers, but the good outweighed the bad for the most part, and it felt good to be part of a community that had little tolerance for harassment and trolling, especially of the sort directed towards women.
Sadly, that seems to be over. Tylers admitted behavior in the past, the new allegation from the end of last week, and his response to the allegation all serve to highlight a person not willing to change or accept any responsibility for his actions. While Ive thought of running ad-blockers and still visiting the site to stay up to speed on news and discussions, at the end of the day, by continuing to give traffic, views, and attention to the site, Im indirectly giving power to someone I feel like is acting dishonestly.
Tyler developed a largely good community, and I thank him for that, but if he really wanted to see that community continue on and try to elevate itself above the hate and vitriol associated with our hobby, he would hand it off to someone without the baggage he currently brings to the site. That could be a long-lasting contribution to the community and maybe a way to start fresh, both for the site and Tyler himself.
Unfortunately, that seems to be a slim possibility given his response, so I think its time to find a new gaming home (cue the Who cares?, Who are you? posts). At the end of the day, its just a website, and I know Im sounding more overly-dramatic than I initially intended. Really, I just wanted to share the impact that GAF made on me over the years and thank all the GAF posters who made me laugh during that time. So much hard work went into those lavish game OTs and game specific communities, and I hope those people continue sharing their passion and love for the industry. Best of luck everyone!
I joined GAF back in 2007 when a lot of smaller fan sites were closing. At the time, I remember a lot of hilarious GIFs being reposted at these sites, and they all seemed to originate from one place: NeoGAF. I think it took like 6 months to get an account, but I was happy to be part of the community. As time went on, GAF became a ritual. Every time I opened a browser, it was always one of my saved pages; my default destination when looking to kill time and get up to speed on the latest news.
As I got older, and I realized how invested I was in video games and the joy they can bring to others, my biggest hope for the industry was that games could shed the reputation and stigma they had received largely throughout their existence. After GamerGate, places like Twitter and 4chan seemed to run in the opposite direction, with a majority looking to keep the status quo in fear of change. Gamer became a bad word again, and associating yourself with the hobby came with assumptions of misogyny and racism. Sure, GAF had some cringe-inducing posts, especially those aimed at developers and publishers, but the good outweighed the bad for the most part, and it felt good to be part of a community that had little tolerance for harassment and trolling, especially of the sort directed towards women.
Sadly, that seems to be over. Tylers admitted behavior in the past, the new allegation from the end of last week, and his response to the allegation all serve to highlight a person not willing to change or accept any responsibility for his actions. While Ive thought of running ad-blockers and still visiting the site to stay up to speed on news and discussions, at the end of the day, by continuing to give traffic, views, and attention to the site, Im indirectly giving power to someone I feel like is acting dishonestly.
Tyler developed a largely good community, and I thank him for that, but if he really wanted to see that community continue on and try to elevate itself above the hate and vitriol associated with our hobby, he would hand it off to someone without the baggage he currently brings to the site. That could be a long-lasting contribution to the community and maybe a way to start fresh, both for the site and Tyler himself.
Unfortunately, that seems to be a slim possibility given his response, so I think its time to find a new gaming home (cue the Who cares?, Who are you? posts). At the end of the day, its just a website, and I know Im sounding more overly-dramatic than I initially intended. Really, I just wanted to share the impact that GAF made on me over the years and thank all the GAF posters who made me laugh during that time. So much hard work went into those lavish game OTs and game specific communities, and I hope those people continue sharing their passion and love for the industry. Best of luck everyone!
GlenChivas
Member
Wow. Haven't been around the site in a few days. Came back to this. What a fucking shit-show.
If only more people thought like you and i
People stayed for the GAF community not for Evilore, but everything has its breaking point.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
I'm still not entirely sure why so many are putting so much significance on EviLore. Is there a cult of personality here that I've missed all these years? I've been a member here for a good number of years and I don't know much about him other than he owns it and posts once in awhile. I would have hoped that the members here would put the community above a single person who owns the site. Why are we supposed to all lose our minds and shit on GAF because of the actions of an individual, whatever his/her role is on the site? It doesn't add up to me, why that should be the case.
The members who are tripping over themselves to ask for account deletion or whatever is especially weird. It's a sensitive issue, I get it, but good grief.
The members who are tripping over themselves to ask for account deletion or whatever is especially weird. It's a sensitive issue, I get it, but good grief.
ebullientprism
Member
Wait I didnt know about the Revenge porn shit.
Is that real?
Is that real?
17 Seconds
Banned
i love how angry people like you seem to be about resetera
He's the owner of the site and gets money from this shit?
nelsonroyale
Member
Twelve+ year poster here... figured I'd give my two cents.
As a poster in the 35-40 age range, I've seen a lot in my days of community bulletin boards and forums - both as a poster and a moderator at other locations. I was a member of a thriving online community twenty damn years ago that had its own exodus and things were never the same. I was even part of the moderation team that might have been negatively responsible for that, unfortunately. I was much younger. Fortunately I've learned a thing or two since.
I've seen online communities broken due to buy-outs, administrative egos going out of control, and just straight up closing due to funding issues or sinking irrelevancy. I've seen site owners in actual tears begging for money because they mismanaged things so poorly in the online spectrum that they found themselves not even being able to pay their rent any more. I've seen bitter jealousy turn to sabotage with forum posters joining together to actively burn someone's livelihood down for no other reason than 'revenge' for bannings or differing opinions. All of these places were not nearly as large as NeoGAF.
I've known seemingly good people in power positions that did scummy things. I've known people that had reputations for being scummy grow and change for the better. The internet is a big place, filled with literally every personality type and combination of types a person can probably imagine.
Communities grow, die, but sometimes they rise from the ashes. One of the forums I referenced above? It somehow crawled through its own controversies and still exists today. It's a shell of what it was, but it's still there. People I knew from twenty years ago are still there. They seem happy. It was the ownership and the handful of posters that weathered the storm that kept it alive. Tomorrow will always come on the internet... presumably.I certainly don't think this is 'the end' of NeoGAF... not unless Tyler decides to kill it... but there is certainly a lingering change in the air. That was unavoidable.
I don't know who Tyler Malka is.
Over the years I've put things together based on posts, just like any member big or small around here, but 'good', 'bad'... I don't know. I never presume to know, either. Out of opinions formed based on posts, I can really only be sure of two facts: I do know this is his site. Those in the trenches posting on a regular basis and the hard working mods keeping the trash out might make this place, but his name is above the door. I do know that he is a person with a certain amount of 'internet celebrity' fame/baggage (whichever one might perceive it) which puts him in a position of potential public scrutiny the majority of us could never relate to or understand. It comes with the territory. Oh, that is not an excuse for bad behavior or poor decisions by annnnnny stretch, but it should also be taken into consideration in discussion. I ask myself: "How would I react if a widely spread, nasty story about me came out that I heavily disputed... but the majority of the people didn't want to hear it based on stupid fucking mistakes I made when I was younger?" Sounds like a nightmare of a situation - and it's a harrowing trend I've seen popping up more and more in the realm of social media. The court of public opinion is a powerful thing and despite all of my desperate optimism in this pessimistic world right now, many situations on the internet make it very hard for me not to buy into the reality of 'Guilty Until Proven Innocent'.
For Tyler, that might be determined legally in time. If the situation is being misrepresented, he has the right to defend his reputation, as anyone would. Unfortunately for him, at least for the time being, the swift gavel of internet justice has already shattered the block. It's up to him - and the members of this community that decide to stay - to determine any potential survival of NeoGAF. What form that might take? Time will tell.
Godspeed to those that are leaving. Some of you will be truly missed. Good luck to those that stay. Try to keep this community healthy and just.
Good post
Shake Appeal
Member
Wow, there are some truly terrible people here. Just look at this winner.
Unless that image is shopped, then yes it's real.
SuperBanana
Banned
Baseless, huh?
Opening admitting to sexually assaulting someone(then banning anyone who called him out for it)
Posting revenge porn with their real full names then another admin(a now jailed pedophile) printed the photos and jacked off over them and sent it to the boyfriend.
You're right, how can we even know if he's guilty or not? HMMMM
This isn't a messy situation. It's a criminal offense. Three in fact. If you think sexually abusing and posting revenge porn(also illegal) is ok then you're the one who's going to live a long and lonely life serving 10-15 behind bars.
Yup. Amirox ended up printing one of them out, jerking off on it, and posting that too. But tyler and co barely knew him once shit hit the fan
When I see all of the posts saying 'so long, you were great friends and lots of you great people' I feel kinda guilty for not considering anyone here a friend or a good person or anything else.
All you guys are to me is a bunch of voices in the ether to exchange videogame opinions with for entertainment. Some voices that I like, some not so much. But never more than that. Is that wrong? Am I dead inside?
This whole thing does have me wondering if I couldn't spend my time on GAF in more productive ways, though. Perhaps that would be for the best.
All you guys are to me is a bunch of voices in the ether to exchange videogame opinions with for entertainment. Some voices that I like, some not so much. But never more than that. Is that wrong? Am I dead inside?
This whole thing does have me wondering if I couldn't spend my time on GAF in more productive ways, though. Perhaps that would be for the best.
I've read EL's explanation to the mod team... so, what I'm wondering is, why can't he have the benefit of the doubt? What if he's telling the truth and the girl is indeed "deranged" or whatever? In this particular instance, the accused had so much more to lose than the accuser. A lot of you seem to get offended by the term Social Justice Warriors, but honestly, that's what most of you are being right now... warriors itching to jump in and fight for anything they perceive as "social injustices", without giving the other party (who in your perspective are privileged and therefore guilty by virtue of being "in power and therefore in a position to take advantage of") the benefit of the doubt.
Before anyone accuses me of being alt-right (because, you know, using the term SJW automatically labels you alt-right in GAF; seriously guys, a lot of you are always rearing to pounce on people who don't agree with you) I'm not white, I'm not American, I don't have a political affiliation (it's not a thing where I'm from) and I didn't even know this "alt-right" thing until after I started reading GAF.
Before anyone accuses me of being alt-right (because, you know, using the term SJW automatically labels you alt-right in GAF; seriously guys, a lot of you are always rearing to pounce on people who don't agree with you) I'm not white, I'm not American, I don't have a political affiliation (it's not a thing where I'm from) and I didn't even know this "alt-right" thing until after I started reading GAF.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
These new revelations
People have been unhappy with EL for years. Tensions reached the boiling point after the Amirox debacle and this finally was where people said enough is enough.
17 Seconds
Banned
because the best part of the community can move to somewhere that doesn't support him financially
Permanently A
Junior Member
So why did the mods stay here and allow that content to be deleted (if not directly participating in covering it up as they initially did with the amir0x scandal) for years? Why is the catalyst a completely unproven allegation?
I am a winner, and by effortless default. I'm not white knighting for Evilore.
17 Seconds
Banned
okay now address all the other stuff that's been revealed about him, then ask us why it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt
pattern
of
behavior
Im a man of high moral character. I frankly find it repulsive that you love people being angry at the mentally challenged.
Probably because we're in a time of increased scrutiny for sexual assault due to the Weinstein incident.
Maybe the mods were intimidated by Evilore back then, or didn't care.
Who knows?
Shit changes.
Back to the matter at hand of Evilore's history.
Can you enlighten us about exactly what it is you take issue with his post?
No sarcasm, I really would like to know what your issue is.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Then you might as well boycott everything, because just about everything you enjoy is run or owned by someone who does something terrible or engages in some kind of business that you find morally/ethically reprehensible if not criminal.
How cute, and you know all of that stuff about me just by reading my posts.
I hope you'll stick around so we can become buddies.
BTW: the second part is the worst argument I have read on Gaf for years. On a gaming forum. Where people buy Nintendo happy meal toys while others are starving. I really hope that most of the leavers take this hypocritical shit with them.
KarneeKarnay
Member
First of all I'm not sure where you are getting sexual assault from. Neither her FB post or EvilLore said this was sexual assault. This is sexual harassment. This is beyond cat calling though. This is a woman in a vulnerable position, drunk, alone and being taken advantage of by the person she trusted. He shouldn't have done it and in no way is the fact they had sex later a good defense for his actions.
Also as you seem to have difficulty with the idea of a victim later being with their abuser here are some links to educate yourself.
https://healthresearchfunding.org/21-spousal-rape-statistics/
The only person here who needs it appears to be you.
For the reasons others and myself have been trying to get across it is not uncommon for abused people to go on and be with the abusers in relationships for years. It's not until something changes that they realise what happened and that it was not ok. If you really have trouble understanding that then I suggest you educate yourself. Go talk to some rape survivors. I did my time as a volunteer to the help the Homeless in London. I met the people who survived this.
So as a dude, if I take a woman on a road trip with to a place they were alone go them wasted and made a move, that would be alright? I can't believe this, but you might actually be the Real Life version of Denis from Sunny.
Check the youtube video if you want some context.
Widdle Puppy
Banned
Wasn't there an artistic interpretation of EL going into the bathroom naked?
cleveridea
Member
But what is it of? Its links that are not visible. Whats bad about the images?
Yes it's real
Its literally the definition.
Im with you on this that the reaction is a bit over the top. But we cant just dismiss it with Deal with it posts. This whole situation is gonna change GAF long-term and these Im leaving posts bring much needed attention to the issue. I probably wouldnt have a clue anything major happened if they didnt exist.
Kölsch Bloot
Member
Well, if those accusations are true or not, this site is done for.
I'm not sure what and who to believe, but this entire situation once again showed me why, over the course of the last months, I have rarely been here.
So, feel free to ban me too. I most certainly won't return anyway.
I'm not sure what and who to believe, but this entire situation once again showed me why, over the course of the last months, I have rarely been here.
So, feel free to ban me too. I most certainly won't return anyway.
... What?
I boycott things with which I have a reasonable knowledge of wrong-doing, a personal context towards that wrong-doing, and a reasonable avenue with which to protest. Me shitting on Evilore and his defense force doesn't have fuck all to do with every single shitlord in the world.
SuperBanana
Banned
They're naked photos of a girl with her real full name also posted on them.
RawkHawk2010
Member
By the way, most longtime gaffers were perfectly knowledgeable of past Evilore stories and just willingly ignored them because of how negligible they were compared to their personal oh-so-important status on a gaming forum. Funny how so many suddenly start caring but only when there's nothing left to lose.
KarneeKarnay
Member
You sir just used my favorite term. Faulty Logic.
You see you made out my argument to be that if you enter an environment where there is a woman in a bath/shower, you are automatically committing a crime.
What actually said was that if you knowingly go into a bathroom were a woman is in a shower you are committing a crime. You see the difference here?
Oh and exposing yourself to a person without their consent it also a crime.
Explain what you mean.
cleveridea
Member
You mean like full nudity full body image photos?
So you'd rather the alternative where no one takes action against anything and nothing ever changes?
Its not always an ALL or NOTHING.
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