Mass_Pincup
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The WiiU has an incredible list of fantastic games that's true but I don't think it's underrated, everyone knows that.
It was worse actually because the PS2 was not only the hardest console to develop for the time but due to it's weak hardware, it really held back a lot of third party games graphically for the sake of ports. That DVD player was not enough to make up for the visual gap between a PS2 exclusive vs a GCN/Xbox game. Not to mention it was a mid-tier graveyard.
If we go the reductionist way as you are doing here, we could say that the Thumbstick introduced as a standard with the N64 is a convenience and not necessary for gameplay. You could play FPS games or navigate the character in a 3D space with a digital directional keys if the game is build up around that.Most of those aren't things that could only be accomplished by the gamepad though. Or necessary to the gameplay, as seen in Splatoon 2. They're just conveniences. The original argument was that the gamepad was somehow opening up possibilities for gaming, which...I agree was possible with that controller, as shown by games like NintendoLand and ZombiU which offered experiences you couldn't get on any other system. Largely though, I don't think it was a success. The vast majority of games did not control in ways that made use of the gamepad, they just offered handy conveniences.
Indeed, 3D World is not a good example. Nintendo could have done a more clever use. However, there's the "Boost Block" mode in NSMBU as an example, it did a very creative use of the touch interface.Seriously? Blowing on the controller is considered an achievement in game design? Not only were things like that already done years prior on the DS, but...it's not good.
So the argument here is: "There aren't any games that use the Gamepad outside of the games that do make good use of the Gamepad." That's non sensical. i provided a list of games that used the Gamepad but for some reason you chose to ignore as you didn't quoted it. And yes, in the list there are good examples of Assymetrical Local Gameplay. If you wish to discuss them let me know.I've already conceded that Nintendo Land is a good example. It was a launch game designed to showcase how the controller could be used to offer unique gameplay experiences though. I don't think any other games had local asymmetric multiplayer.
Not going to give it points for touch controls when the DS had been doing that years before.
Not going to give it points for an accurate trackpad. We're talking about how the system 'pushed boundaries' here.
Doesn't get points for conveniences. Again, we're talking about how the controls 'opening up possibilities for gaming'. Off TV play is a neat feature, but it wasn't doing that.
Fucking what. Isn't the PS2 the acknowledged swan song of the mid tier?
Oh lol, I forgot it came out in 2012! It's even worse, it was basically a full 4.5 years before Switch came out and what an pitiful selection of games in that time. It's crazy that people will make these lists of like 15 or so games that they loved, but that was FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.
Honestly, it's one of the worst consoles ever.
It's also the same kind of games every Nintendo console has.
I'm very grateful for the fact that Splatoon and Bayonetta 2 happened, but yeah the WiiU didn't really do much special outside of a handful of gems.It had a solid library of Nintendo developed exclusives which is getting less interesting every day as improved versions of those games show up on Switch. It was criminally rated accurately.
the Wii U has the best library of any Nintendo system since the SNES and I don't think it's debatable
That is very debatable. The Gamecube has a much better library imo, and the Wii has a pretty great one too despite the mountain of low quality shovelwear.
the Wii U has the best library of any Nintendo system since the SNES and I don't think it's debatable
Wii U pad is a regular gaming controller with enhanced abilities to control thanks to second screen, touch and gyro. Everyone who says otherwise is plain stupid or acting like that.Amazing software and clever use of a social network held back by a controller no one had any idea what to do with. Such a bizarre system.
The Wii U ended up with an amazing library, and it certainly is one of my favorite systems, but the release schedule was crippling and tortuous.
Nine months from launch for the first notable release (Pikmin 3), and a full year from launch for the first actual commercially major release (3D World)
Didn't Nintendo say they learned their lesson about droughts before the Wii U came out? Atleast the finally seem to have realized how to provide a steady stream of software with the switch.
Didn't Nintendo say they learned their lesson about droughts before the Wii U came out? Atleast the finally seem to have realized how to provide a steady stream of software with the switch.
Same here. I'm a life long Nintendo fanboy, but the shortcomings of the WiiU were too much for me to overlook.The only Nintendo console I ever skipped. It was a big "lol no". Seeing the switch revealed was quite a relief.
Wii U pad is a regular gaming controller with enhanced abilities to control thanks to second screen, touch and gyro. Everyone who says otherwise is plain stupid or acting like that.
It's not a bizarre system, more like it's bizarre players.
the Wii U has the best library of any Nintendo system since the SNES and I don't think it's debatable
Yeah they made a big deal of it back then, but thankfully it seems that they actually have this time around. I don't even have enough time to play all of the game I want to on Switch, and we're only just past the Wii U releases of Lego City/Monster Hunter 3U on the comparative timeline.
ITT Gaf tries it's best to hate on the Wii U. I think it's pretty obvious that popular reception plays a heavy role on a lot of gaffers perception. If you sat down with the console with it's full library of games, also understanding that it has a damn Wii built into the system, you realize it's a GOAT console. It even plays gamecube games. A lot of you are judging the execution, the reputation etc. etc. but none of that matters in 2017. What you have with Wii U is what you get now, and it is an amazingly fun system. IMHO
Like I said, I had a lot of fun with the system. I liked it. I definitely don't regret owning it.
But objectively speaking, it was a complete and utter mistake, and a bad idea that should of never materialized. The sales speak for itself.
ITT Gaf tries it's best to hate on the Wii U. I think it's pretty obvious that popular reception plays a heavy role on a lot of gaffers perception. If you sat down with the console with it's full library of games, also understanding that it has a damn Wii built into the system, you realize it's a GOAT console. It even plays gamecube games. A lot of you are judging the execution, the reputation etc. etc. but none of that matters in 2017. What you have with Wii U is what you get now, and it is an amazingly fun system. IMHO
I have one, I bought one at launch, it's really not the GOAT system, it's okay and it has some fun games, but Nintendo made some huge mistakes with the console. Critique isn't automatically hate. I can like something and understand it's flaws. My Wii U gave me hours, days or even weeks of fun but it's also easily the weakest system I've ever owned.
I hated the gamepad. Hated it's toy-like look, didn't like its ergonomics all that much, hated how tethered it was to the system and hated the gloss. I hate glossy finishes.
I've been very critical, but I still love the system and its games. Off-TV play was fantastic.ITT Gaf tries it's best to hate on the Wii U. I think it's pretty obvious that popular reception plays a heavy role on a lot of gaffers perception. If you sat down with the console with it's full library of games, also understanding that it has a damn Wii built into the system, you realize it's a GOAT console. It even plays gamecube games. A lot of you are judging the execution, the reputation etc. etc. but none of that matters in 2017. What you have with Wii U is what you get now, and it is an amazingly fun system. IMHO